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Old 07-16-2011, 11:06 PM   #1
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Chavo Rips John Cena
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Ok, don’t “Fin” say that people will talk about this for years if you’re going to let Punk do all the work and not deliver at the PPV, Cena. I am tired and I know fans are tired of WWE Superstars talking big and not delivering. We don’t want to see someone just in a fight. And frankly no one believes it anymore. If Miz can kick your ass then the clerk at the store can kick your ass, so please deliver if you say that..

“People will remember this PPV. You know Punk will bring “it”. I’ve been in the ring with both of you and Punk has “it”. Cena you have mic skills yes but if you think people believe your BS lazy comeback that you do exactly the same every match then you are mistaken. Eddie and I taught you different. We never said “get lazy” and do the damn thing every night. We always said “think out of the box” and give the fans what they deserve and not rely on the “machine” to “get you over”.

“I hope this lights a fire under your ass and you deliver this Sunday. Don’t just rest on you being over cause you are and that is easy. Challenge yourself and give the fans what they deserve. That’s why they boo you. Because they aren’t stupid. They know what they pay for and the “great” promo guy but the shitty “match” guy that you have become is not what they want. I understand “longevity” but at the sacrifice of the fans trust is not worth it. Deliver on your fans and deliver on why you got into this business. Eventually the fans that you have gained with from the purple t-shirts will turn on you. Take a lesson from the Hulkster. Give the fans there $ worth and don’t become just another “promo” guy. I know you love this biz and don’t get distracted from the McMahon $. Deliver please!! Have enough respect for your fans because without them, you’re working at a fast food chain.

“Love you man and I support you and hope you see this because I know Punk will and I know he’s going to bring it because he’s got nothing to lose!”
What do you guys think? Personally I think he's hit the nail on the head in terms of Cena. This isn't a "John cena suxs" post or anything either, I believe he's just put it perfectly.





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Old 07-16-2011, 11:15 PM   #2
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It's certainly interesting. It starts off looking like Chavo is just grabbing at attention, but he seems to go on to explain how good Cena is, and how he can deliver when he shoots the script. It's interesting to see the way Chavo talks to Cena. You can tell there's some sort of respect there. Otherwise, Chavo is just a huge douche, haha.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:17 PM   #3
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1000000000000000% agree.

This had better be good. Everyone is expecting punk to deliver. I am wondering a lot about how this match is scripted, as is everyone, but it had better be done well, or I'm going to post that it was bad. (I mean it.)

Cena better do some work in this match. But I really do wonder how much he can do. Whatever happens, watching Cena's promo on RAW Monday is going to be like watching a bad car crash again, I'm going to think it's lame no matter how awesome the match was.

I am starting to really get sick of his character. But I will can that in the name of keeping this from being another vent of Cena hatred.

Bravo Chavo.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:22 PM   #4
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He also mentioned "If The Miz can kick your ass," and he's right. The Miz literally just beat the shit out of him for their entire feud. Now Miz is getting his ass kicked by Alex Riley, someone who lost to Cena in a squash match. It is very lazy.

Hogan whipped peoples' ass. Hart whipped ass. Austin whipped ass. Rock whipped ass. You're supposed to save that "I'm getting the shit beat out of me, give me the strength for this AA jebus please!" stuff for when Andre the Giant is working you around the ring, or working with a strongly booked hoss of some kind.

In Cena's defense, he probably was trying to at least get Miz over a little, but there's an art to that. You wanna see a guy get made in the ring, look at Hart. And if you're not on his level in the ring, at least take some pointers from the attitude guys. They were all good at making things pretty believable whether they won or lost.
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:23 PM   #5
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I thought it was an interesting read, and I agree with Chavo. Most people have forgotten that Cena can actually wrestle to an extent, and he's been pretty lazy for awhile. Shake it up already.
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Open letters like this are bullshit and it's more Chavo bringing attention to Chavo than actually giving a damn about Cena giving the fans their money's worth. If you want to light a fire under the guy's ass and you're so close wouldn't a phone call, voicemail, email, text or direct twitter message be more constructive than a long ass letter for all to see?

Everyone knows Punk's going to bring it and I'm sure Cena gets how big this is without Chavo Guerrero of all people pointing it out to him. He's just piling on the Cena hate train because it's convenient for other wrestlers to do so at the moment.

I love how he cites Hogan as an example of how to be. Hogan wouldn't let Chavo piss in the stall next to him, let alone look strong in a match against him. Hogan is the guy who no sold Savage and Vader, cut Flair's robe up into a muscle gown and refused to give an inch to Shawn when they were planning their match. Hogan's mic skills and t-shirts kept him going more than his ring skills. Yes, Cena should be more like Hogan. That way we get feuds where after three weeks of Cena's corny promos, he just completely buries his opponents instead of just giving us a lazy comeback.
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Old 07-17-2011, 12:17 AM   #7
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I don't subscribe to this whole theory of "Chavo trying to get attention," imagine if Chavo Guerrero posted on TPWW. It'd be the same thing. Well, he didn't. He's a pro wrestler. And he did it on what, twitter? Everyone voices their opinions on twitter. Yes, sometimes people are just saying random shit. And everyone can certainly agree or disagree with what people say, but for the most part, they're just stating their opinions with more of an audience.

Same thing happened when Hogan mentioned Edge's retirement.

Also, Chavo left because he was sick of that shit, he's bound to have something to say now that he doesn't have to keep it canned.
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Old 07-17-2011, 12:24 AM   #8
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Whether you like him or not, by the way, Hogan is one of the greatest ever. A lot feel that he's overstayed his welcome in wrestling, and some don't. None of that will ever change what he's accomplished in wrestling, and it will never change that he will go down in history in rare company. If you follow that for what it is, telling him to take a lesson from Hogan is not a bad idea at all.

He didn't say be Hulk Hogan, or do the things Hogan has done to "piss people off." Hogan had huge success, and there is always something to be learned from people that do.
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Before CSL comes riding in with his white font, yes I think it's cool that a medium like Twitter allows people to express their opinions. Twitter is also a platform where people can get attention though and in my opinion, it was kind of self serving. He addressed Cena directly and said some stuff that was guaranteed to get people talking about him when he could have just as easily sent Cena that message over Twitter as a direct PM. Hogan was merely commenting on the retirement as an old timer. It's not like he called Edge out personally for retiring.

As far as Hogan goes, he is one of the greatest ever and guess what, it's not because he was a five star wrestler. He was beating guys by hulking up, booting them in the face and dropping a leg. That's no different than Cena's lame move set. Let's be honest, he was involved in some of the worst matches of the decade during that NWO run and he was arguably just as popular as he was during the Hulkamania run. Also, some of the stuff Hogan did to piss people off helped him stay on top. Hogan used the creative control clause in his contract like a sword.
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I see what Chavo is trying to get with how this could be the biggest match of 2011 for the WWE and while Punk will be able to carry his end of the load, he's worried that Cena or whoever is writing the match is going to "ruin" the ending as was the case with a lot of main events both on tv and on ppv this year.

He doesn't want to see a match where Punk gets all the offense and then at the last minute suddenly looses (ex. Miz in the I Quit) or the ending falls flat and "ruins" what would have been a great match (ex. Kane beating Taker by having Bearer flash some light to Undertaker in the urn).

I also sort of see what he meant by Hogan since while Hogan won a lot, he was able to sell moves a lot better than Cena which made hi s matches more "believable" or watchable regardless of the ending. His promo skills were a lot better in helping to sell why you should watch or care about his match at a ppv.
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Old 07-17-2011, 01:32 AM   #11
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Who the fuck is Chavo to question Cena?

We've seen in the past that Cena can step up when he needs to. We've seen his previous matches with Punk, and they were great.

Complete attention whoring on Chavo's part.
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John Cena puts his all into a major PPV settings at all times. He has brought his A Game to every major PPV battle he has ever had in my opinion. Personally, I have never really liked Chavo and never understood why people thought he was so great in the ring. Him and CM Punk are both going to make a great match and if Punk was going against somebody else, I honestly don't think many people would care. If it was against Orton, it would be all Punk as Orton's promos are long and monotonous. don't get me wrong I like Orton, but I don't think the match would be the same with him. The only other person where this would work as well is HHH. I still am hoping we get that match at Summerslam as I feel Orton vs. Henry and Cena vs. Del Rio will be the title matches so they need a main event that can sell the PPV well.
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I see what Chavo is trying to get with how this could be the biggest match of 2011 for the WWE and while Punk will be able to carry his end of the load, he's worried that Cena or whoever is writing the match is going to "ruin" the ending as was the case with a lot of main events both on tv and on ppv this year.

He doesn't want to see a match where Punk gets all the offense and then at the last minute suddenly looses (ex. Miz in the I Quit) or the ending falls flat and "ruins" what would have been a great match (ex. Kane beating Taker by having Bearer flash some light to Undertaker in the urn).

I also sort of see what he meant by Hogan since while Hogan won a lot, he was able to sell moves a lot better than Cena which made hi s matches more "believable" or watchable regardless of the ending. His promo skills were a lot better in helping to sell why you should watch or care about his match at a ppv.
Honestly, Miz losing the title was my favorite moment this year so far. Cena is this generation's Hogan and I believe he deserves his spot. He's worked hard as a main eventer for years to earn that spot.
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I thought it was an interesting read, and I agree with Chavo. Most people have forgotten that Cena can actually wrestle to an extent, and he's been pretty lazy for awhile. Shake it up already.
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Hats off to Chavo. I really hope Cena delivers at the ppv.
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i've been debating whether or not to buy this ppv or to see it on a stream. tbh i kinda want to pay for it. i can't even describe how hard it's been to predict the outcome for the tipsters
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Agreed with everything Chavo says.
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Chavo should help John Cena save the WWE at Money in the Bank.
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thank god punk is leaving!! but as much as i dis like him he is good in the ring and cena sucks.
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One thing I absolutely fucking hate about Cena's character, and this is what I think most of Chavo's post is aimed at, is that stupid routine with the two shoulder tackles, the weird slam Cena does followed by the 5KS. I fucking hate every time, how the opponents gets knocked down twice and then coincidently goes for a haymaker that Cena manages to duck EVERY TIME!!!
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:39 AM   #25
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Why does Chavo think he's a big enough star to comment on this?
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Why does Chavo Classic think he's a big enough star to comment on Chavo Guerrero's comment on John Cena?
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:12 AM   #27
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One thing I absolutely fucking hate about Cena's character, and this is what I think most of Chavo's post is aimed at, is that stupid routine with the two shoulder tackles, the weird slam Cena does followed by the 5KS. I fucking hate every time, how the opponents gets knocked down twice and then coincidently goes for a haymaker that Cena manages to duck EVERY TIME!!!
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:25 AM   #29
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He was beating guys by hulking up, booting them in the face and dropping a leg. That's no different than Cena's lame move set.
It is different relative to the time period.
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... you forgot the Five Knuckle Shuffle, Rock Bottom.
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Who the fuck is Chavo to question Cena?
Somebody that can wrestle a hell of a lot better than Cena?
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... you forgot the Five Knuckle Shuffle, Rock Bottom.
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Chavo Guerrero basically said what most internet fans say about John Cena.

With that said, I'd rather watch a John Cena match than a Chavo Guerrro match. Although I will make an exception to this so long as Eddie Guerrero is somehow involved.
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One thing I absolutely fucking hate about Cena's character, and this is what I think most of Chavo's post is aimed at, is that stupid routine with the two shoulder tackles, the weird slam Cena does followed by the 5KS. I fucking hate every time, how the opponents gets knocked down twice and then coincidently goes for a haymaker that Cena manages to duck EVERY TIME!!!
I think Chavo pretty well summed up why most fans don't like Cena. He relies on the same tired routine without making a change. You'd think by now Cena's opponents would know NOT to punch at him after taking 4 shoulder blocks.

I disagree too with the theory that Chavo is doing this for attention. I'm sure alot of guys in the locker room would like to tell Cena this, but can't or won't for fear of punishment by management. Any fan that has seen Cena from the beginning has seen his potential and it's apparent that he could try harder. Which is funny b/c he claims to have so much passion for the business, but can't even freshen up his in ring work. Chavo seems to have some kind of mentor type role with Cena, so it makes sense to me for Chavo to show him some tough love. For Cena to coast through is crapping on the guys that made him. Legends like Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, HBK, Undertaker, HHH and The Rock have worked with him to get him over. The least he can do is give it his best effort.
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I'd like to see a great John Cena match. Somebody post a video. I'll check back tomorrow because I know it will take you time to find it.

The match with HBK doesn't count as we all know HBK can have a good match with anybody.
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Old 07-17-2011, 12:35 PM   #38
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Does anybody think this will end up with Cena being a huge heel ala Hollywood Hogan?

This whole feud for some reason reminds me of Ric Flair showing up with the WCW belt proclaiming himself as The Real Heavyweight Champion.
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Chavo Guerrero basically said what most internet fans say about John Cena.
Which is exactly why people have his dick so far down their throats.

Err...I mean, Chavo is THE MAN!
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