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Old 08-30-2015, 10:48 PM   #1
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Died in a plane crash or injured so bad he couldn't wrestle ever again would have been bad.

Also consider that because of the injuris in the crash he had to change his style of wrestling. If he hadn't been in the crash he probably wouldn't have changed his style and who knows how his career would have gone. He wrestled for 33 years after the crash, when doctors said his career was done.

I don't think there can be any wrestler who is luckier.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:00 PM   #2
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tho i dunno about "luck" being involved when you are 500 pounds.
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:11 PM   #4
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Owen was not the better fit than Bret. Rose coloured glasses my friend.
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Owen was not the better fit than Bret. Rose coloured glasses my friend.
Care to explain? Bret was a better wrestler but Owen was a jack of stats and he had a personality.
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Care to explain? Bret was a better wrestler but Owen was a jack of stats and he had a personality.
Owen is more of a Chris Jericho type. Amazing in his own way, but could never be a flag barer like Bret. Bret didn't have the Hulk Hogan and rock panache and pizzazz, but he connected with audiences because of his authenticity, similar to a Steve Austin (probably why they blended so well together when they worked). Owen wasn't exactly gang busters on the mic, but he was pretty good, but let's get serious "Kick your leg out of your leg" isn't exactly the work of a wordsmith. Bret carried himself like a motherfucking champion, win, lose or draw.... heel or face. Owen was great, but he didn't have "the guy" appeal.
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Owen was not the better fit than Bret. Rose coloured glasses my friend.
If he had a better promo he'd have been the better Hart. He had Bret's technical with the high flying ability too. Bret wasn't a master orator by any stretch so Owen was pretty terrible.
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If he had a better promo he'd have been the better Hart. He had Bret's technical with the high flying ability too. Bret wasn't a master orator by any stretch so Owen was pretty terrible.
It's not as simple as being a "better talker". It's about how you carry yourself and how you wrestle. Bret wrestled like a main event champion, Owen didn't. Plus, Owen COULD fly certainly, but most of his run in the WWF was spent NOT flying (insert obvious joke about his death here... aka fuck off). His work was good, and he was for sure a great worker, but he did not string together the body of work Bret did. He just did not work a main event style. Maybe over time it could have progressed there, but to me, I've never seen it, at least at Bret's level.

I think Sean Waltman made the point, while Owen was great, he just didn't take it all that seriously, whereas Bret did, and that's why Bret was Bret and Owen was Owen. Maybe if Owen took it as seriously as Bret, he could have been the number one Hart, but he just wasn't, talking aside. He was not the worker that Bret was.
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It's not as simple as being a "better talker". It's about how you carry yourself and how you wrestle. Bret wrestled like a main event champion, Owen didn't. Plus, Owen COULD fly certainly, but most of his run in the WWF was spent NOT flying (insert obvious joke about his death here... aka fuck off). His work was good, and he was for sure a great worker, but he did not string together the body of work Bret did. He just did not work a main event style. Maybe over time it could have progressed there, but to me, I've never seen it, at least at Bret's level.

I think Sean Waltman made the point, while Owen was great, he just didn't take it all that seriously, whereas Bret did, and that's why Bret was Bret and Owen was Owen. Maybe if Owen took it as seriously as Bret, he could have been the number one Hart, but he just wasn't, talking aside. He was not the worker that Bret was.
I can see your point I still maintain that Bret put me to sleep while Owen held my attention but we are different people. I've watched Bret and I just don't see the appeal outside of his heel turn which I think because he was a lot more brutal I wound up really digging it.
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Also, if Beefcake was unlucky about anything, it was getting his face smashed in a parasailing accident, it's been highlighted already that him being Hogan's bitch was possibly the most lucky thing which happened to him... given that he wasn't all that great (though I didn't think he was terrible in his short lived prime, had a certain appeal to him).
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Also, if Beefcake was unlucky about anything, it was getting his face smashed in a parasailing accident, it's been highlighted already that him being Hogan's bitch was possibly the most lucky thing which happened to him... given that he wasn't all that great (though I didn't think he was terrible in his short lived prime, had a certain appeal to him).
I forgot about his accident as far as him having appeal I suppose, my brother loved him which confounds me to this day.

Can we call Pillman unlucky I'm probably alone but I felt he could have been so huge in the attitude era injury just killed it but at the same time he was still amazing on the mic and compelling as hell to watch.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:49 AM   #12
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Also, if Beefcake was unlucky about anything, it was getting his face smashed in a parasailing accident, it's been highlighted already that him being Hogan's bitch was possibly the most lucky thing which happened to him... given that he wasn't all that great (though I didn't think he was terrible in his short lived prime, had a certain appeal to him).
Lol well "luckily" he was Hogan's boy because he got to tag with him against Money Inc at Wrestlemania 9
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As far as lucky/badass I'll say Undertaker being set on fire twice within seconds and that just made him stomp to the ring faster.
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Bret had a certain swagger about him. Even watching it now, when he walks to the ring, with the shades and the jacket, he just had it. He was also a natural babyface.
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Pillman is definitely a good pick
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JBL was lucky. Went from being an under card tag team brawler with no depth to main eventer for over a year and incredibly lengthy title run because, quote, Triple H didn't wanna work Tuesdays. But seriously, his heel push came completely outta nowhere and had Lesnar not left WWE and Angle not been legit injured, JBL doesn't get to the main event that quickly, if at all, seeing as once he dropped the belt he jobbed to other main eventers or only saw extended success in the midcard.
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Matt hardy on the unlucky list. His brother gets the talent, less fat of a face,better hair. Then of course his girl gets edged
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When I saw the title of the thread, I immediate thought of Kevin Von Erich for the unluckiest part, but then I saw that incorporating deaths wasn't allowed.

I don't know who I would say is the unluckiest, but a good few names I agree with have been given.

However, I'd say the luckiest is probably X-Pac.

I can't imagine X-Pac even being around if he wasn't part of "The Kliq". If he wasn't such good friends with Shawn Michaels and Co., he would have probably just remained as a jobber under "The Kid" name and he wouldn't even have lasted a year.

Now, I'm sure he's most likely going to be a Hall of Famer sometime in the future.
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Matt is actually the wrestler of the two no one notices cause his brother is backflipping of the top of the arena and Matt is an okay talker and in certain gimmicks that showed. Jeff Sucks on the mic period but he was born with weird charisma his brother just lacks it is sad there was a photo of the two of them a while back that had them posing with their titles Jeff with the WWE title and Matt with the ECWWE title that photo said it all.
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Would "unlucky" guys be the ones who were finally "breaking out" in 2001..... right before WCW folded? Shane Helms, Elix Skipper, Kronik, O'Hare, Palumbo, Staziak, Jindrak were all hitting their strides and putting on great matches in those final months of WCW and then never really found that "place" after that....
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How about Daniels and Modest half killing themselves and getting a WCW contract.... then the company folding shortly after? Daniels has gone on to still have a spotlight career, unfortunately Modest didn't.
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Putting X-pac in the hall of fame because he was in DX is one step above putting Mongo in the hall of fame because he was in the horsemen.
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Old 08-31-2015, 01:32 PM   #25
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X Pac was awesome in the ring you jew.
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This is true for all the hate he gets the dude is solid.
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Kennedy is the first that comes to mind, but with that already said; Nick Dinsmore.

Was considered a stand-out in OVW, with excellent in-ring credentials, called up to the main roster and saddled with the "Eugene" gimmick; something that's hard to bounce back from.

Sort of a double-edged sword as he was ridiculously over at the time, and no doubt has dined out on that character for years after, but he never stood a chance of being repackaged/used in a more legitimate way.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:26 AM   #29
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Modest never would have gotten over. Great wrestler, but he has not an ounce of magnetism about him. He also looks like Kevin Sullivan's and Rugged Ronnie Garvin's love child, which is not a good thing lol
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:50 AM   #30
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Hey Gertner, I will murder your giant mongoloid ass you fuck. CALL ME A JEW!

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Unluckiest - Will probably have to go with Daniel Bryan. After his Wrestlemania victory(ies) over Evolution, Bryan had the chance of replacing Cena as "the face" of the WWE, and we all know what happened. As Bret said, Bryan's career is likely over - Daniel just doesn't know it yet.


Luckiest - Kevin Nash. Make friends with the right people + throwing up a few cool hand signs = millions of dollars. Go figure.
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You forgot that Nash was Super Shredder in TMNT II: Secret of the Ooze.

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And even in that he managed to be lazy (being on screen for all of 2mins ) before injuring himself by collapsing the roof.
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Old 09-04-2015, 04:40 AM   #39
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And even in that he managed to be lazy (being on screen for all of 2mins ) before injuring himself by collapsing the roof.
LOL, injury-prone wrestlers, amirite?
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:49 PM   #40
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Unluckiest - Big Show - horribly booked when he could have been the next Andre. Guy should have been going undefeated and used as a special attraction, a genuine star, but unfortunately entered companies at the wrong time and in the wrong era. Now he has threads about how noone can make him interesting in any situation. Sad and frustrating.

Luckiest - Sandman - no idea how he was able to make a living wrestling for so long. He owes Paul Heyman every cent he ever made because he was horrendous as a performer. If you go back now, he was wasted and all over the place in so many matches, but his character earned him a living, with absolutely no obvious talent.
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