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Old 12-03-2004, 03:53 PM   #41
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I swear, they had better start Raw with five simple words:

"Welcome to, RAW IS JERICHO"
I agree. I wouldn't mind seeing a completely different opening for the show as well. Maybe have a song performed by Fozzy with different images of Jericho beating other wrestlers, etc. Then have Jericho in the ring with his Highlight Reel pyros going off. "Welcome to RAW is Jericho!", and we go to the Jeritron 5,000,000 (an upgraded version replacing the titantron) to discuss last week's events.
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:19 PM   #42
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I can say one thing. With Jericho as the focus of this week's show, the ratings will deffinately show through. I'm hoping they'll realize that and give him another push.

Then again, I can almost hear HHH in the background saying "Jericho's just another flavor of the month. If you push him, the fans will get sick of him in a week and we'll be stuck in some shitty storyline with crap ratings. Forget it. Let's keep him in the midcards for a while."
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:29 PM   #43
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I can say one thing. With Jericho as the focus of this week's show, the ratings will deffinately show through. I'm hoping they'll realize that and give him another push.

Then again, I can almost hear HHH in the background saying "Jericho's just another flavor of the month. If you push him, the fans will get sick of him in a week and we'll be stuck in some shitty storyline with crap ratings. Forget it. Let's keep him in the midcards for a while."
LOL! I'm actually looking forward to Jericho vs. Triple H, or just Jericho (if he wriggles the title away from Triple H without getting him in a match, which is probably how the WWE'd rather have The Game lose the title), with Y2J banning Evolution from the arena. It would be a shame to see Dave go even if it is just for a night, so maybe they can ahev Dave Batista vs. Rhyno & Tajiri in a Handicap Match. It can be used to boost Batista's character and storyline developement.
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:33 PM   #44
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I swear, they had better start Raw with five simple words:

"Welcome to, RAW IS JERICHO"
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Old 12-03-2004, 08:02 PM   #45
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LOL

sorry, just the idea of Jericho as champ again, it makes me laugh.

LC is right on with this one.
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Old 12-04-2004, 07:38 AM   #46
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Cynick, i will quote your post in my signature or something(dont know if you can do that on this site though) if jericho wins the title on raw this week, but i got a feeling because of the ending of raw last week, they're trying to stop Jericho from getting a title shot. I keep thinking Vince Mcmahon is gonna come out and make a 4 way match instead of Jericho making a match himself.
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Old 12-04-2004, 09:20 AM   #47
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Vince won't show his face and make these matches spontaneously two nights in a row.

Edit: And Cynick, Loose Cannon, and anyone else who is too cynical to believe that somebody other than HHH can hold the championship...

Raw has done a great job of giving the title value. How would it look if they suddenly started giving EVERYONE a one week hold on the title. This coming after Vince personally came out (when he's already declared the Vince McMahon character "dead") to change the match to give the title a little more value making the Battle Royal a #1 contender's match. Why would they suddenly throw that to the dogs and shit on not only the title, but this Edge/ Benoit feud that they've been building up lately? They're not stupid. They don't just decide that they don't like a feud or storyline that they've already devoted to the main event spotlight and turn it around. (A midcard feud...sure, but not a main event one.)

Obviously allowing the title to change hands on a Raw was for ratings, so having the title change BACK a week later isn't gonna help the ratings. Sure, next monday everyone will tune in to see who the real champ is. Then when HHH gets it back, where the hell do you think all the viewers they picked up will go? MNF, that's where. Your viewers can only feel jaded and alienated so many times before they give up on the product.

Mark my words: HHH WILL NOT GET THE TITLE BACK ANY TIME SOON. New year's revolution will be Benoit/ Edge for the championship. HHH will have to exact his revenge on Orton for costing him the title. Maybe someday later he'll get the title back, but it sure as hell won't be in the next month.

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Old 12-04-2004, 03:37 PM   #48
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Vince won't show his face and make these matches spontaneously two nights in a row.

Edit: And Cynick, Loose Cannon, and anyone else who is too cynical to believe that somebody other than HHH can hold the championship...

Raw has done a great job of giving the title value. How would it look if they suddenly started giving EVERYONE a one week hold on the title. This coming after Vince personally came out (when he's already declared the Vince McMahon character "dead") to change the match to give the title a little more value making the Battle Royal a #1 contender's match. Why would they suddenly throw that to the dogs and shit on not only the title, but this Edge/ Benoit feud that they've been building up lately? They're not stupid. They don't just decide that they don't like a feud or storyline that they've already devoted to the main event spotlight and turn it around. (A midcard feud...sure, but not a main event one.)

You obviously don't know how the wwe writing team thinks these days.ALl they think for the main event spot is 'must have HHH in there!'
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Old 12-04-2004, 03:47 PM   #49
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They will probally give it to them both with benoit and edge with their own title belt and have a unification/undisputed world champ build up or something. But if anything I wondering is this the first time or the first in a long time that the world title has change on raw.
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Old 12-04-2004, 04:52 PM   #50
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(when he's already declared the Vince McMahon character "dead")
The heavyhanded, hands-on, boss form Hell is dead.

Vince has recently showed up only a small number of times, primarily to promote a singular change and leave.

This is a pretty big difference in character.
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Old 12-04-2004, 10:08 PM   #51
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anybody noticed that the battle royal at the start of the night ended exactly the same way as in royal rumble 1994? Back then, it was Bret Hart and Lex Luger eliminating each other at the same time, which meant no winner whatsoever. Decision: Both got a title shot at WM X but in separate matches. And then Bret became champ after defeating Yokozuna.
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Old 12-05-2004, 12:49 AM   #52
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anybody noticed that the battle royal at the start of the night ended exactly the same way as in royal rumble 1994? Back then, it was Bret Hart and Lex Luger eliminating each other at the same time, which meant no winner whatsoever. Decision: Both got a title shot at WM X but in separate matches. And then Bret became champ after defeating Yokozuna.
And this isn't even the ONLY time it happened in WWE history.
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It happened on smackdown a while ago to, goddamn wwe if you can't think of new finishes to battle royals don't do them...think up new matches or new ways to get triple threats.
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if Jericho dont win the title tommrow i will go on a mass killing spree.... ( in GTA btw...)
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It happened on smackdown a while ago to, goddamn wwe if you can't think of new finishes to battle royals don't do them...think up new matches or new ways to get triple threats.
The worst part is that they redid two finishes in one night. It was a twofer.
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Old 12-05-2004, 12:41 PM   #56
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if Jericho dont win the title tommrow i will go on a mass killing spree.... ( in GTA btw...)
You fucking pussy.

You need to grow some balls and REALLY kill some people over the outcome of a fixed show. BE A MAN.
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Old 12-05-2004, 01:23 PM   #57
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If HHH gets the title back on Raw, they REALLY fucked up.

I have a bad feeling that the WWE KNOW that people are gonna tune in to see Jericho as GM as well as to see who won the belt out of Benoit/Edge. And they'll give the belt to HHH and claim that him getting the belt back is the reason the ratings were so high and use that as an excuse to keep the belt on him for awhile.
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Old 12-05-2004, 01:48 PM   #58
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Vince won't show his face and make these matches spontaneously two nights in a row.

Edit: And Cynick, Loose Cannon, and anyone else who is too cynical to believe that somebody other than HHH can hold the championship...

Raw has done a great job of giving the title value. How would it look if they suddenly started giving EVERYONE a one week hold on the title. This coming after Vince personally came out (when he's already declared the Vince McMahon character "dead") to change the match to give the title a little more value making the Battle Royal a #1 contender's match. Why would they suddenly throw that to the dogs and shit on not only the title, but this Edge/ Benoit feud that they've been building up lately? They're not stupid. They don't just decide that they don't like a feud or storyline that they've already devoted to the main event spotlight and turn it around. (A midcard feud...sure, but not a main event one.)

Obviously allowing the title to change hands on a Raw was for ratings, so having the title change BACK a week later isn't gonna help the ratings. Sure, next monday everyone will tune in to see who the real champ is. Then when HHH gets it back, where the hell do you think all the viewers they picked up will go? MNF, that's where. Your viewers can only feel jaded and alienated so many times before they give up on the product.

Mark my words: HHH WILL NOT GET THE TITLE BACK ANY TIME SOON. New year's revolution will be Benoit/ Edge for the championship. HHH will have to exact his revenge on Orton for costing him the title. Maybe someday later he'll get the title back, but it sure as hell won't be in the next month.

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See you are the exact reason why I think what they did on Monday was really stupid. You seem to think Hunter will NOT get the title back, and yet most of us know he WILL. Chances are when Hunter does get the title back, you will be upset, and will feel like what you seen on Monday was a huge waste of time, and nothing more than a slap in the face to the audience.

And just to clear thing up, the title did NOT change hands. Neither Benoit nor Edge were declared champions decisively, so what will happen is that there will likely be a rematch, and Hunter will retain. My guess is that Jericho's role in all of this will be to give himself a title shot at New Year's Revolution.

If they really wanted to do a title switch to either Edge or Benoit, they would have kept the Battle Royal gimmick for the title, Orotn would have helped eliminate HHH and then they could have done the draw finish with Edge and Benoit. At least that way, HHH would have been eliminated and been out of the picture. With the triple threat, all that happened was that we had a draw, and therefore HHH will get back into the rematch and get back the title.

And even if they do put the title on Edge or Benoit, it'll just go back on HHH by the Rumble at the very latest. So nothing will have been accomplished. Just HHH gets another title reign to add to his record books.

And RAW has NOT done a great job building up the value of the title. If the title had any value whatsoever, a PPV built on the premise that fans get to select who fights for that championship would not have done the lowest buyrate in WWE history. Also, their business wouldn't be int he shape its in if the title meant anything.
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Old 12-05-2004, 01:58 PM   #59
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haha, seriously, you think Benoit will get the Title back? He just had a Title run. You actually think the WWE will just give him back the Title after not even promoting him as the top guy when he was the Champ.

Edge: Not a chance. Hasn't proven anything yet and the crowd really hasn't been into him that much yet.

Jericho:

It's going back to HHH.

And like CyNick said, if the WWE decides to put the Title on someone, HHH will just win it back real quick.
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Just to spin off what CyNick said about the World Title's value.

The World Heavyweight Title lost all credibility it had when it was put around David Arquette's waist in WCW. It climbed a bit when Kurt Angle and The Rock held it, but it was seen as secondary to the WWE title during the Invasion angle.

When the World Title was put around Hunter's waist after he beat HBK it lost pretty much any credibility. When Benoit won the title its value climbed, but went back down when Benoit played second fiddle to the HHH/HBK feud. I thought the title would have meant something more when Orton won it, but his face turn dropped the ball, and Hunter was booked to appear superior to Orton as champion, it didn't get any value back.

I think if Orton's quest for the World Title is built superbly, which it hasn't yet, the title COULD gain credibility again when Orton wins it; or better yet Batista, but as of now I see no reason why a title change right now would really do any good for whoever wins the title; so it's logical that Hunter will retain the World title.
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Well, I don't know if it's been mentioned here yet, but chances are if HHH doesn't get the belt at the start of RAW, he'll use the good ole "rematch" clause, so yeah, it's going to go back to HHH soon.
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If HHH gets the title back on Raw, they REALLY fucked up.

I have a bad feeling that the WWE KNOW that people are gonna tune in to see Jericho as GM as well as to see who won the belt out of Benoit/Edge. And they'll give the belt to HHH and claim that him getting the belt back is the reason the ratings were so high and use that as an excuse to keep the belt on him for awhile.
And the resulting loss of ratings the following weeks will simply be attributed to Monday Night Football or sweeps or whatever they can hide behind...
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Originally Posted by MVP
Just to spin off what CyNick said about the World Title's value.

The World Heavyweight Title lost all credibility it had when it was put around David Arquette's waist in WCW. It climbed a bit when Kurt Angle and The Rock held it, but it was seen as secondary to the WWE title during the Invasion angle.

When the World Title was put around Hunter's waist after he beat HBK it lost pretty much any credibility. When Benoit won the title its value climbed, but went back down when Benoit played second fiddle to the HHH/HBK feud. I thought the title would have meant something more when Orton won it, but his face turn dropped the ball, and Hunter was booked to appear superior to Orton as champion, it didn't get any value back.

I think if Orton's quest for the World Title is built superbly, which it hasn't yet, the title COULD gain credibility again when Orton wins it; or better yet Batista, but as of now I see no reason why a title change right now would really do any good for whoever wins the title; so it's logical that Hunter will retain the World title.
At this point, I'm not really sure the WWE could bring back credibility with any one person.
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