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Old 11-30-2004, 11:52 AM   #1
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Who's the champ?
After RAW who is the champion, will there be a rematch, or is Triple H just champion, or will Edge & Benoit face each other next week for it?
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:58 AM   #2
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Hmmm

Unfortunatly I sense another 3 way, which means Y2J doesn't get a title shot, which is a great shame
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:59 AM   #3
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Or Jerischmo will sign a Fatal 4-Way match
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Old 11-30-2004, 12:04 PM   #4
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I'm hoping, since Triple H had nothing to do with the final decision, that Jericho will have a Benoit vs. Edge match to decide who wins it. Or he could even throw himself in there.

But knowing WWE, it'll go back to Hunter somehow.

If they want to use this to their advantage, even if Triple H retains, they should vacate it and do a big tourney that will end at the Royal Rumble.
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Old 11-30-2004, 12:09 PM   #5
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Old 11-30-2004, 01:12 PM   #6
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I'm hoping on a 3 way with Y2J vs Edge vs Benoit, but it will probably be HHH vs Edge vs Benoit with HHH retaining in the end.
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Old 11-30-2004, 01:13 PM   #7
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the most likely champ will be HHH
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Old 11-30-2004, 01:45 PM   #8
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Old 11-30-2004, 01:52 PM   #9
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Jericho is the GM. I don't see HHH getting a Title shot whatsoever
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Old 11-30-2004, 01:59 PM   #10
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Next Week I'd like to see GM Jericho announce a match between Edge and Chris Benoit and the winner would face Y2J in the main-event for the WORLD TITLE
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Old 11-30-2004, 04:38 PM   #11
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What I'd like to know is who they're announcing as champ during the house shows this week, or if they're even going to. They've slipped up on occasion and given hints before, so yeah.
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:34 PM   #12
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I think it'd be kinda cool if Jericho makes Beniot V Edge V HHH for the gold on Raw, and the winner faces him at the next PPV.
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:41 PM   #13
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:42 PM   #14
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:49 PM   #15
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Probably some crap about tiebreaker goes to the champ (HHH). Then Jericho books himself in a match vs HHH on RAW next week.
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:11 PM   #16
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Or Jerischmo will sign a Fatal 4-Way match
Which means Triple H will win.

Which also means the last four weeks have been for nothing.
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:01 PM   #17
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If you go by the logic that the match ended in a a draw, therefore the champion retains the title, which means HHH is still da man.

My guess is that they'll just have a rematch next week, and the fans will feel like they've slapped int he face.
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:20 PM   #18
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But technically it didn't end in a draw. Somebody won that match.

Benoit was pinned and Edge tapped out, so one of those two men is the World Champion. Normally, in a 1 on 1 title match, in the event of a non-decision, the title goes back to the original holder. However, in a triple threat environment, the rules should be different. The champ wasn't involved in the double decision, therefore he should not be involved in the following title decision.

Dear God, please send this bit of logic to Vince McMahon before Monday night....
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:28 PM   #19
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just please give Jericho the title.. thats all i ask, one nice run with Jericho as World Champ...
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But technically it didn't end in a draw. Somebody won that match.

Benoit was pinned and Edge tapped out, so one of those two men is the World Champion. Normally, in a 1 on 1 title match, in the event of a non-decision, the title goes back to the original holder. However, in a triple threat environment, the rules should be different. The champ wasn't involved in the double decision, therefore he should not be involved in the following title decision.

Dear God, please send this bit of logic to Vince McMahon before Monday night....
but the point is its a draw, Edge didn't win, Benoit didn't win, HHH didn't win. Who was in on the pin isn't really relevant because there was no deicison. Therefore logically HHH should still be champ.
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:45 PM   #21
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No....the champion is EdgeBenoit.

Or BenoitEdge.

They could be duel champs you know. Like they both can defend the belt. But if one get's pinned, they both lose. That'd be logical.

Of course HHH will probably get the title back next week but Y2J will win it off of him.
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Old 11-30-2004, 11:57 PM   #22
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Their is no controversy edge botched the finish by tapping to early.He clearly taps before the ref counts three.Benoit is the champ
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Old 12-01-2004, 12:43 AM   #23
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I dunno, I usually tape RAW. So I went back and even watched in slow-mo, But Edge's hand first hit the mat as soon as the ref's hand hit the 3. There may have been a split second where someones hand hit before the others, but I can't figure this one out.
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Old 12-01-2004, 12:45 AM   #24
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Old 12-01-2004, 12:50 AM   #25
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I hope so....Logic says...Triple H holds on to his title since it was a draw...sorta, however....we know, Logically speaking....Jericho will just vacant the title and claim himself champion....of course...Logically speaking, Benoit should of deemed himself the champion, when Triple H was supposely unable to compete....but when has WWE ever use logic
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Old 12-01-2004, 10:54 PM   #27
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I just can't wait to see Edge's face when they tell him he's not the World Champion.
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Old 12-01-2004, 11:14 PM   #28
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Old 12-01-2004, 11:27 PM   #29
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I dunno, I usually tape RAW. So I went back and even watched in slow-mo, But Edge's hand first hit the mat as soon as the ref's hand hit the 3. There may have been a split second where someones hand hit before the others, but I can't figure this one out.
I just watched it on wwe.com and it really looked like edge hit his hand first then the ref counted three
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I like the vacated title thing and have no1 have it until the rumble like in 92. Would make the rumble a whole lot more interesting.
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Old 12-02-2004, 05:50 AM   #31
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well they had the same sort of thing at the start of 2000 with the IC title. from what i remember both jericho and chyna covered holly i think and got the three count so they were made joint champions. and then jericho won the 3way at the rumble. so hopefully they'll do the same sort of thing on Raw Is Jericho (doesn't that just sound so goood) and have Y2J v Edge v Benoit for the title and have Jericho win it.

then again knowing the state of the writing time and the memory problems the WWE has, it'll just be given back to HHH and he'll find a way of screwing Jericho out of the title.

though if jericho did beat HHH, batista could get back at HHH for his comment a few weeks back about batista not beating jericho. Then HHH could lose it with batista and then we have evolution split up....yay!!
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I see Jericho walking out to the ring and saying the main event will be Edge Vs Benoit to see who is the real champion, then Triple H will walk out to say that he is going to use his rematch clause (there is always a rematch clause) and that the match would be Edge, Vs Benoit Vs Triple H, Then Jericho will say something cleaver then say if Triple H wants to add himself to the match then so can he, Jericho makes the match a 4 way match.


The winner... well there are a number of ways it could end, Edge could win the belt and live his dream.. probably not.

Benoit could win by some how screwing Edge out of the win, to start a Fued between the two.

Triple H could win then go on to say he outlasted four weeks of pure hatred by the wrestler G.M's and go about with his "I am the champion" speech.

or hell, even Jericho could win it and start something with "Jericho was the G.M, he had to book himself into a match why couldn't he win it like a man, etc.

I personally like the Edge, Benoit fued idea. hope that works... looks to be alright... kind of...
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Why didn't they just strip the belt off of HHH at any time? They could say "Ok, Trips. You want the title back, you're gonna have to win the Rumble, cause we're not gonna put you in any more title matches. Don't like it? Tough. I'm the GM and you can't say boo about it."
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Why didn't they just strip the belt off of HHH at any time? They could say "Ok, Trips. You want the title back, you're gonna have to win the Rumble, cause we're not gonna put you in any more title matches. Don't like it? Tough. I'm the GM and you can't say boo about it."
But the Board of Directors can, and I assume they'd be a bit upset when th etitle is stripped off a champion for no reason at all. That's the only reason I can think of.

I personally hope Jericho says since all three men technically lost the match (Benoit got pinned, Edge tapped and Triple H wasn't involved in any decision), none of them deserves to be the World Heavyweight Champion. Jeirhco crowns himself the vacant title holder, and gives himself the night off and books Benoit vs. Edge in an I Quit Match, which doesn't finish because it goes right off the air.

Triple H complains to Eric Bischoff and says he wants a rematch. Bischoff says Triple H can't have a rematch, because their is no rematch clause when the title is awarded to a wrestler. Triple H is pissed, so he starts a feud with Jericho. We see the I Quit Match continue on RAW, with Bischoff making it that the first man to say "I Quit" in any period of time loses the match. He says no more time will be dedicated to this match.

This sets up a number of angles, and gets the title onto Jericho.
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I understand that everyone wants to see the belt on Jericho, but honestly, as the saying goes "you made the bed, so now you have to sleep in it" or however it goes. They're gonna have to take this "Who's the champ" thing all the way through. And thankfully they have actually given this Benoit/Edge feud some spotlight. I'm excited about it, but indeed Jericho does need the belt again. Maybe we'll get lucky at WM21.

And Jericho can't say that all three men lost. This wasn't an elimination match. The rules of an elimination match is "The last person who hasn't been pinned, tapped out, or otherwise eliminated is declared the winner." In the triple threat match, the rules are "The first person to get a pinfall or submission wins." So rather than having three losers, we have two winners.
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Old 12-02-2004, 05:00 PM   #36
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Yeah, y2j aint gonna win
methinks its gonna be a fatal4way and HHH retaining, I dont think WWE really cares about all the technicalities involved
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:38 AM   #37
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I understand that everyone wants to see the belt on Jericho, but honestly, as the saying goes "you made the bed, so now you have to sleep in it" or however it goes. They're gonna have to take this "Who's the champ" thing all the way through. And thankfully they have actually given this Benoit/Edge feud some spotlight. I'm excited about it, but indeed Jericho does need the belt again. Maybe we'll get lucky at WM21.

And Jericho can't say that all three men lost. This wasn't an elimination match. The rules of an elimination match is "The last person who hasn't been pinned, tapped out, or otherwise eliminated is declared the winner." In the triple threat match, the rules are "The first person to get a pinfall or submission wins." So rather than having three losers, we have two winners.
Yes, but look at it this way. Edge tapped at the same time Benoit was pinned. Now looking at this like they don't have the technology to time which decision came first, Edge submitted (meaning he loses the match to the person who made him tap out), while Benoit's shoulders were counted to the mat for three at the very same time, so he loses to the person who pinned him. Neither man can be declared a winner, because they both legally lost the match. You can't have the title defended amost ot men who lost in the title match (even if the win does cancel it out).

Both men lost and won at the same time, so although it makes sense to have the title contended between them, I'd prefer it if it wasn't, because I consider a loss far more deciding than a win. So if they vacate the title, Jericho can name himself the champion (just like Bischoff named Triple H the champion). And even if it doesn't make perfect sense, you have to remember we do have Y2J as GM.
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Old 12-03-2004, 01:15 PM   #38
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As the Cynick said, it looks like a draw and so the champion retains in that situation.
Unless they do a double champion angle like Chyna/Jericho with the IC Belt.
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Old 12-03-2004, 01:40 PM   #39
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there is really no point in discussing this. HHH gets it back Monday or whenever HHH gets the macth to decide the Champ
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:11 PM   #40
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I swear, they had better start Raw with five simple words:

"Welcome to, RAW IS JERICHO"
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