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02-20-2005, 10:57 PM
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Pelvic Sorcerer
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Good for Bradshaw.
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02-21-2005, 08:48 AM
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if you want to count the World Heavyweight Championship as well, I'm pretty sure HHH held the title from Armageddon 2002 when he beat HBK to Unforgiven 2003 when he lost it to Goldberg. I'm pretty sure he held it all of that time which is about 9 months ish. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong which I probably am. And we all remember how much we enjoyed that reign.
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02-21-2005, 12:52 PM
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Look Into My Eyes
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trips longest reign with the world title was around 258 days if my memory is correct
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02-21-2005, 03:56 PM
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who cares about this recent history nonsense, in the scheme of anything measured in records or title reigns or anything wrestling for that matter, it should always be compared to the history of wrestling, not the last 4 to 5 years. WWE is benefiting right now from two major things: #1 there is no competition anymore, and #2 the majority of the people on wrestling borads and dirt sheets have only been watching wrestling for 8-10 years(meaning they are young)
With the #1 point it means vince can take advantage of the no competition factor to build something or someone out of nothing. Long title reigns are presentable when the fans have no outlet to watch anything else. Hulk Hogan was champion for over 4 years not because there wasn't any other wrestlers to put the belt on at the time but because Hogan needed to be champion to get over as huge as he was, lets face it, Hogan had no skills in the ring much like JBL (both have one move) and both were better on the mic than in the ring. If you sell someone garbage enough times sooner or later a handful will start to believe it is not garbage. I think JBL has done a fair job as champion, good promos, has taken on whoever they threw at him that month , and made the best out of the lame gimmick he has now. what more can you ask for? And as unpopular as my next statement is: I'd rather see him keep the belt at wm21 as opposed to giving it to Mark Mark err John Cena who is even less credible.... the guy is from Massachusettes(same as marky mark) with a fade (same as marky mark) who raps (marky mark) badly (marky mark) and wears sagging denim shorts ALL the time(marky mark).Cena is over so big he will most likely get the title but i feel its a mistake, if cena doesnt win he is still over huge. if jbl loses his character is nothing without the title, much like Hogan. back in the wwf vs. wcw days title reigns were so short to keep the audience watching you never knew if a title would change hands on any given monday or any ppv, now we can kind of tell when and where things are going to happen, but with no competition i wouldnt be surprised to start seeing longer title reigns out of wwe champions, because let's face it, no matter who is champion or how much we do not like their gimmick, and how much we sit and bitch and moan about it here on the forum, we are still true fans and will watch no matter what. sorry to offend any john cena or hulk hogan fans, i will take all criticism of my opinions u guys throw at me |
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02-21-2005, 10:26 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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If pro wrestling was static from its inception, you might be onto something. But, it's not, so you just look stupid. |
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02-21-2005, 06:48 PM
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I'm all there is
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Ok, first of all, Hogan was over with or without the belt. Fans jumped aboard the Hogan bandwago LONG LONG before he won the belt from Sheik. Hogan sold out arena after arena for a dam long time and made the people around him more money. Why does everyone still think a professional wrestler without "Benoit" like wrestling skills can't get over? Hogan, Warrior, Andre, Goldberg, Taker...all guys with a limited movesets in the ring, but all guys that were over HUGE in thier time. Let's face it, having great wrestling skills is fine and dandy sometimes, but it's how you play to the crowd and grasp the audience in the palm of your hands that matters. Putting on 5* matches is great, but if you don't connect with the audience, forget it.
Cena HAS "IT" "Don't put the belt on Cena?" That's not very smart as he's the most over guy in company. Also your comment about people on wrestling boards being "young" couldn't be further from the truth. I did a little poll on this board about a month ago and found out most wrestling fans here are fans from the 80's. |
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02-21-2005, 08:36 PM
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Resident drug enabler
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 You're simply speaking the truth, I know. Still though... GOD I :HEART: CENA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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02-21-2005, 06:54 PM
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Viva la Raza
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02-22-2005, 03:58 AM
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In wrestling having "IT" means you dont need a belt to justify your tv time or your characters legitimacy, so you pretty much make my point for me exactly.
In the case of Cena as a heel or face the guy is over either way. You can put in Cena in any number of fueds right now and they get the crowds dollars. Put him in an angle with guerroro, angle, taker, mysterio, booker T or van dam and you have a payday. and that is all with matches where a title is not involved. What do you do with JBL when you take the WWE title off him, where does he go? His only real fued that worked was w/ guerroro and why rehash it? exactly like his ted dibiase rip off gimmick it has played itself out if its not about the title. Dibiase was obsessed with getting the title and once the angle was over dibiase soon was left with no direction, so unless we plan on getting JBL to pay big show to go win the title from cena with hebners twin brother being paid off and seeing if booker t will don the silver sequined vest and pants ala virgil, JBL needs the belt more than cena. I'm still amazed that people think that taker and goldberg have zero in ring skills. for two guys who go around 300 goldberg was very quick with his feet and kicks and the spear and jackhammer were always nice spots in his matches. The only thing i think that got smart fans aggitated about goldberg was they tried to make him inpervious to pain, even a chair shot wouldnt keep him down and what not that gets old. taker walking the ropes his flying clothesline and others are that many more spots in a given match than hogan could give you. You could be correct on fans on this board this board seems very educated in terms of most on the net, but we have a mass of people who think rock v. hogan is the greatest wm match ever proving thare are many "freaking idiots"(in napoleon dynamite voice) talking about wrestling on the net. kane knight not even sure what your babble was saying so i wont even touch on it, have a good night sir i apologize to all goldberg and taker haters, and to anyone who thinks rock v. hogan was a good match |
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02-22-2005, 04:22 AM
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Resident drug enabler
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The entire purpose of the business of pro wrestling is to make the fans happy. Bottom line is the fans all have their favorite wrestler and they want to see that wrestler acknowledged as being the top guy (which is signified with the world title). Sure Cena COULD survive without the world title but that's exactly why he should have it. The world title should not be used to put people over. That takes away from it's credibility. That puts building a character as a higher priority than the world title and nothing should be a higher priority than the world title. If a character can't succeed without the title, then the character doesn't deserve to be given the title. Sure, Cena could just stay in a second main event picture not involving the world title. And he would succeed in that. (Sting for example had many stints in early WCW as the main babyface but not in the title picture. But he eventually would go on to win the title everytime because the fans would not have accepted him going too long without it.) Basically, the title means as much as the people whose waist you are putting it around. If you put it around a guy the fans are incredibly behind like Cena, you are raising the title's credibility, which leads to people caring about him keeping the title, leading to better ratings, etc. |
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02-22-2005, 09:51 AM
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Temporary
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The only thing you need to be a good wrestler is to sell. In the Rock vs Hogan match The Rock made Hogan look pretty good. Also Rock and Hogan played to the crowd which too made it a great match. So much goes into a good match besides ring skills. Like I said it's all about the atmosphere. The Crowd made that match. Sure The Rock Hogan match wasn't a good technical match, but it was definitely one if not the most memorble match of all time. |
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02-22-2005, 04:31 AM
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Resident drug enabler
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I probably worded that terribly btu I'm tired. I'll try again tomorrow.
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02-22-2005, 09:24 AM
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The Caption Crippler
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That is really very sad when you think about it
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02-22-2005, 01:01 PM
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#1 wwf fan i think you worded it just fine. i completely agree that the belt should be the most important thing in wrestling but what we think and what the WWE does , not always the same thing. I just think in a rare instance like this it would behoove wwe business to keep jbl as champion, the longer his reign lasts and the more babyfaces he escapes from and retains the title the more fans hate him. But if he drops it to cena then cant find a fued to work after WM it discredits his character.
it is to a point now where wwe could pull that crap like they did around the time of wm8 where cena is about as over as hogan was and when hogan couldnt be in the title picture they still had his match the main event and savage/flair took a backseat. It wouldn't be that odd right now to see a ppv where it was say jbl/booker t title match followed by a cena/guerroro match after eddie goes heel. It's just my opinion like i said , i was not trying to piss anyone off about dogging what are good matches or how things should be i am just saying if i am writing smackdown: i have eddie turn heel b4 wm to face mysterio, then have eddie cost cena the belt so jbl retains starting a eddie/cena fued over eddies jealousy of cena replacing him as top face in a years time. jbl brings amy weber back in the picture, keeps his cabinet, and drop the belt to undertaker clean at summerslam to give the old man one last run in the sun. after the match amy weber turns on jbl because her free ride is over, he gives her the clothesline from hell and boom jbl gets a huge pop and has the respect of fans for a title run that lasted so long. amy weber recruits orlando jones to do her fighting for her he attacks jbl, and then we have jbl/orlando jones with jbl as a face now( the only way to continue his character) . that way jbl, orlando ,amy weber, guerroro, and taker are all elevated for the future. Taker can drop the belt to any heel to have cena win the belt later in the year. it wont happen obviously cena is winning the belt at mania his album comes out in may so what better way to promote the guy mainstream than to have him as champ, but just my opinion on how things could be done a different way to help everyone out. 1 last thing, legend wrote " the only thing you need to be a good wrestler is to sell".... did Hogan ever sell for anyone except for the rock in that one match???? |
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