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Old 01-26-2007, 03:47 PM   #41
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Their minorities... gotta stick together... obviously.

Just like black guys can have their gimmick be that they are a black guy. Its not rocket science.
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Old 01-26-2007, 04:35 PM   #42
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Seriously Umaga is awful I'd rather get AIDS than see him as WWE champion
Dude, it's just wrestling.
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Old 01-26-2007, 04:36 PM   #43
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:16 PM   #44
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Do you think Umaga sleeps with a cooked roast next to his bed?
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:18 PM   #45
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:26 PM   #46
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Do you think Umaga sleeps with a cooked roast next to his bed?
Estrada: "UMAGA, YOU LEFT THE ROAST IN THE OVEN 3 MINUTES TOO LONG!"
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Old 01-26-2007, 06:09 PM   #47
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Estrada: "UMAGA, YOU LEFT THE ROAST IN IN THE OVEN 3 MINUTES TOO LONG!"
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Escuchah me...Deeed someone say, tree meenits?

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Old 01-26-2007, 07:09 PM   #48
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What happened to the other finisher Umaga did a few times? Throwing his opponent into the air, and giving them a Samoan Drop when they come down. That was a good finisher.

Thumb to the neck that usually looks like a clothesline: bad finisher.
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Old 01-26-2007, 11:22 PM   #49
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What happened to the other finisher Umaga did a few times? Throwing his opponent into the air, and giving them a Samoan Drop when they come down. That was a good finisher.

Thumb to the neck that usually looks like a clothesline: bad finisher.
I believe he has only done that move to Shawn Michaels.
I guess cena doesn't have a moveset that includes the skill of being able to be thrown in the air and fall. Supercena would obviously fly if thrown into the air, therefore it is in Umaga's interest not to do that move.
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Old 01-27-2007, 01:51 AM   #50
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What happened to the other finisher Umaga did a few times? Throwing his opponent into the air, and giving them a Samoan Drop when they come down. That was a good finisher.

Thumb to the neck that usually looks like a clothesline: bad finisher.
That was Jamal. Two completely different people.
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Old 01-27-2007, 02:18 AM   #51
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Okay, anyone remember One Night Stand where Cena could not even hold himself up while crotched between the rope? I remember RVD fumbling with Cena until he had to just push him over in order to just save himself from being embarassed.
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Old 01-27-2007, 08:33 AM   #52
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That was Jamal. Two completely different people.
Not true. Umaga did this move a few times.
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Old 01-27-2007, 08:51 AM   #53
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Yeah, WX is right. He's done it more than once, because I remember thinking several times that that would be a better finisher than the spike.
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Old 01-27-2007, 09:05 AM   #54
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That was Jamal. Two completely different people.
Umaga was Jamal for a while?
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Old 01-27-2007, 09:05 AM   #55
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Wait, who's this "Jamal," anyway?
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Old 01-27-2007, 09:07 AM   #56
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Old 01-27-2007, 09:56 AM   #57
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Old 01-27-2007, 10:03 AM   #58
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Old 01-27-2007, 10:09 AM   #59
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I second this. Jamal is a great for a man his size, and he's really impressed me with what he can do, but this Umaga shit is just awful. The name alone pisses me off.
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I'm tellin' ya. Have John Cena shave his head (the camo is already a nice match to the original red, white and blue attire), and then have Umaga change his name to Joey Samoey. Reveal his new finisher, the Hustle Crusher, and you've got yourself a real win here.
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Old 01-27-2007, 10:42 AM   #61
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He could even get pissed off, and hit his new finisher, the "Angry Slam."
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Old 01-27-2007, 12:20 PM   #62
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Not true. Umaga did this move a few times.
As a finisher?
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Old 01-27-2007, 12:22 PM   #63
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Oh, what about that match he beat Cena in a few months ago? Or did you forget that because the WWE "forgot" it?
Pfft, if I forgot the number of things the WWE has and as often as....um....uh.......where was I going with this? Something about masturbation?
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Old 01-27-2007, 01:18 PM   #64
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As a finisher?
Yeah.

Well, most of the times I saw it done were outside of a match, but it was seemingly a brutal attack that was a signature move if not a finisher.

It was often used post-match like Triple H would use a Pedigree or Batista would BOMB! ( ) someone.
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Old 01-27-2007, 07:46 PM   #65
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I don't mind Umaga, but not as world champion, or even in the world title picture. (Unless this was the old days where you'd believe he COULD win it).

He does have potential however. He has some sick looking moves. Check out his match with Kane at Unforgiven. I was actually surprised at how good it was.
I can definately see him as Intercontinental.

If we've stopped seeing Cena as an underdog, does that mean we've given him credibility?or at least as mmuch as we can?
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Old 01-28-2007, 03:13 PM   #66
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You know, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Umaga win the Title for a short while. The only..and I mean ONLY..reason being, that Estrada would be entertaining carrying around the gold. I picture him being like Gollum with his "precious."
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Old 01-28-2007, 03:17 PM   #67
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If they were going to put it on Umaga, it should have been at New Year's Revolution. At least that would have kept his streak alive. Even if they took it just to the Rumble and put it back on Cena it would have been better than Cena winning with a roll up or whatever he won with.
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Agreed. Yeah, that roll up was just brutal. It would have been refreshing to see Cena dominated AND PINNED. Have him chase after a seemingly "invincible" opponent for a while. They could have had a "Rocky 3" type scenerio as far as psychology goes. Have Cena get destroyed at New Years Revolution and lose the belt. Then he could have cut a promo about how he's been distracted by making movies, etc. and gotten soft. Even after this though, I'd have him keep getting fucked up by Umaga, basically like Monday night. I would even have him lose the "Last Man Standing" match.

Cena would then seem more human and thus possibly get more fan support behind him chasing after the belt as a "true" underdog, rather than build up these bullshit scenerio's WWE forces down the fans throat. How can you keep building your champion as an underdog IN EVERY SCENERIO and expect the fans to get behind him fully if HE NEVER LOSES.

With DX and Rated RKO mixing it up and taking themselves out of the Title picture, this would have been a more entertaining program for Umaga/Cena IMO. Cena winning back the belt in this fashion "Rocky 3" style would possibly have made him a much bigger and accepted face champion going into Wrestlemania.

**sigh**

But........
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Old 01-28-2007, 06:16 PM   #69
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I recall seeing him hit the Samoan Backdrop move on Michaels, but im pretty sure he used it on Maria as well if memory serves, i could be a bit wrong on that though.

Was an awesome looking move mind!
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:57 PM   #70
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:36 AM   #71
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Why did I not start this thread? I figured I was pretty notorious for hating the "Umaga" gimmick.

With that said, I'll get to the facts. Jamal can do a few things, Umaga is a shitty remake that makes Raw seem both racist and non-sensical. I'm not even going to explain how putting this Umaga against Cena in the main event picture right now doesn't make sense, it should be self-evident.
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:53 AM   #72
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Well, the only thing left for Cena to do is make Umaga submit to the STFU in three minutes...
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Old 01-29-2007, 03:02 AM   #73
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What happened to the other finisher Umaga did a few times? Throwing his opponent into the air, and giving them a Samoan Drop when they come down. That was a good finisher.

Thumb to the neck that usually looks like a clothesline: bad finisher.
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Just like black guys can have their gimmick be that they are a black guy. Its not rocket science.
We might want to be careful. Knowing the WWE these days, Vince might be tempted to go with the samoan drop as his finisher, but call it the "Nigga Slam", with Michael Richards doing the play-by-play during his matches.
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Old 01-29-2007, 08:58 AM   #74
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Well, the only thing left for Cena to do is make Umaga submit to the STFU in three minutes...
Or 25.5 seconds.
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Old 01-29-2007, 09:00 AM   #75
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We might want to be careful. Knowing the WWE these days, Vince might be tempted to go with the samoan drop as his finisher, but call it the "Nigga Slam", with Michael Richards doing the play-by-play during his matches.
You know, I was playing as Lashley last night on SVR (The bitch was whining about losing every match) and I was getting Tombstoned by the Undertaker, and as I was up in the air, I heard Tazz say "Stick a fork in him..."

Apparently we don't need Richards.
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Agreed.

He's another one of those 1980s throwback characters WWE could do without.

Estrada is funny as crap, though.
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Estrada is a catchphrase and an exotic accent.

His microphone skills are limited to a novelty the trailer trash can chant along to.
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His microphone skills are limited to a novelty the trailer trash can chant along to.
WHAT?
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:40 PM   #79
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This brings up an interesting thought. IF wrestling wasn't in fact pre-determined and what not, would Umaga as champ really be a problem?
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This brings up an interesting thought. IF wrestling wasn't in fact pre-determined and what not, would Umaga as champ really be a problem?
I think it's more the gimmick than the person most people have problems with.

If he was more street-thuggish (just an example, I can't come up with something original right now) with the same brawling/heavy hitting style I think he'd be a good candidate. The gimmick, though, is more cartoonish than anything.

With that being said, I could buy Umaga as a champion now. Well, BEFORE he was jobbed out to Cena. Twice. I really do believe it could have worked if they put it on him at New Year's Revolution.
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