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Old 02-05-2007, 01:36 AM   #41
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I didn't read through the thread...but I'd say "old school" hip hop died off around when Pac and Biggie became popular, and then certainly when they died.
Rap had gone through the gangsta rap changes in the early 90s, but after pac and biggie rap was huge. Old school hip hop I guess would be defined pre-gangsta, even though I'd consider gangsta rap and pre-pac and biggie death rap old school too.
I guess the big changes were the mainstream break in with Run DMC and Beastie Boys (say what you want, they made it acceptable for whites) and then after NWA and Death Row things really started to change.
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:39 AM   #42
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Gangsta rap didn't become mainstream until 1992 due in part to Dr. Dre.
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Old 02-06-2007, 08:25 AM   #44
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Once again, a platinum album with singles being played on MTV is pretty fucking mainstream..
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Old 02-06-2007, 08:26 AM   #45
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Wait, why would you say The Chronic was mainstream and not Straight Outta Compton??
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because rap then was gaining in popularity. While NWA laid the foundation for it, it still was not as popular as it was in 1992.
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Oh yea, as far as Busta Rhymes, he's that exception. Because you look at him (people who REALLY follow hip hop) and like Kris P said, he was part of the Tribe Called Quest group, which IMO is old skool, yet brought some GREAT hits during the Gangsta Rap era.

Others, like LL Cool J, KRS One, and others like them are still old skool, even if they put out anything during the gangsta rap era because they were "known the most" at that point (old skool)
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I'd say LL Cool J is much more of a household name in the past 10 years than he ever was in the 80's..

Movies, that tv show, etc..
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Busta Rhymes wasn't in A Tribe Called Quest but he did collaborate with them a few times. He was in The Leaders of the New School
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Yeah, I just meant he came out earlier in the 90s than most people think.. The "recommend me Oldskool hip hop" thread reminded me of this.. In that thread, people suggested alot of shit from the early 90s, which I consider Oldskool..
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Old school hip hop has a different production sound. Mostly the way it's mixed and the way the drum machine sounds. But old school "is a term" and could be used to label pre mid 90's hip hop.
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Most Oldskool beats qhere taken from breaks of other songs and not made on a beat machine..
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Ah okay then. When did drum machines become more common in hip hop?
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Itheyve always been used but the original "breaks" were taken from other songs and juggled to make a new song.. Most innovative beat making came around in the early 90s with guys like RZA and Premere..
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i would consider oldschool to be sort of up to the mid 90s. the backing tracks used to be way more interesting and cool back in the day. now it seems to be some sparse drumkit and huge synth sound which i don't like. although i liked whodini's 80s take on it
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You are fucking stupid krispy, I am stating GR didn't hit Mainstream till the 90s and you are saying it hit mainstream earlier. Fuckin learn to read.

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This is not old school:
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Straight Outta Compton is the debut studio album by American hip hop group N.W.A, released August 8, 1988 on group member Eazy-E's record label Ruthless Records. Its title refers to the group's native Compton, California. Production for the album was handled by Dr. Dre, with DJ Yella giving co-production. The album has been viewed as the pioneering record of gangsta rap; with its ever-present profanity and violent lyrics, it helped to give birth to this then-new sub-genre of hip hop. It has been considered groundbreaking by music writers and has had an enormous impact on the evolution of West Coast hip hop.[1]
Gansta rap emerged in 1988, as I said numerous times.. Just because you you thought otherwise doesn't make you correct.. Why are you arguing FACTS??
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It emerged in 1988 that doesn't mean that it was mainstream. Would you disagree that Gangsta-rap blew up in 1992?

Just like how UFC was around but it didn't really hit mainstream until around 2005
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Released in August of 1988, the album arguably had one of the biggest impacts on the industry than any other. The album embodied the genre of gangsta rap, and launched it into mainstream popularity. One of its biggest impacts was how it helped shift focus from the East coast to the West, establishing that coast as the power player of rap in the early '90s.
Just type "Straight Outta Compton" into google and every single one of the countless sites that talk about the album say two FACTS that you seem to keep ignoring..

-1988 release date
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It was mainstream though.. It made albums have to have parental warning labels and was banned by the FBI.. It went double patinum..

Just because you don't remember it being huge they had two videos on regular rotation on MTV.. There were stories in the USA Today about it.. It changed the face of musis, not just Hip Hop..

But it wasnt mainstream??
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Old School- ie. Eric B & Rakim, Kurtis Blow, EPMD, Public Enemy

New Old School- ie. "Nuthin' But A G Thang", "All Eyez On Me", Puff Daddy & Biggie, Eazy E & Bone Thugs

New School- Eminem, 50 Cent, Kanye, Jay-Z

The Future- Drake, Soulja Boy, Nicky Minaj

whack- 2 Sicc & Mista E
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Just saw you were one year old when it came out so how could you know all that.. Better question, since you don't know, why are you trying to argue otherwise??
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READ MY FUCKING POSTS I KNOW IT WAS RELEASED IN 1988

Krispy, NWA's "Straight Outta Compton" was released in 1988
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Krispy, NWA's "Straight Outta Compton" was released in 1988
Krispy, NWA's "Straight Outta Compton" was released in 1988

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Secondly so blogger wrote that, Oh but the internet "stated" it so it must be true..
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old school- beginning-1994

new old school- 1995-2000

new school- 2000-2009

the future- 2009-present
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....and that is just ONE Gangsta rap album that reached success. Gangsta rap did not really take off until the 90s. Same EXACT thing with Grunge music sure it was around before the 90s but it realllly took off in the 90s.
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okay to end the debate, as for

old school Gangsta rap- NWA (Dre as part of a group)

new old school Gangsta rap- The Chronic (Dre as a solo artist)
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....and that is just ONE Gangsta rap album that reached success. Gangsta rap did not really take off until the 90s. Same EXACT thing with Grunge music sure it was around before the 90s but it realllly took off in the 90s.
It took off when the album that "opened the door" for gansta rap went platinum and was a mainstream success..
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Which was in 1988..

The time period you are referring to is the renaissance.. When every single album of every single kind of hip hop was awesome..

East coast-illmatic, ready to die, 36 chambers, reasonable doubt, the infamous, etc

West cost-the chron, doggystyle, 2paclypse, etc

Dirty south-southernplayalistic, soul food, the diary, mystic styles, tru, riding dirty, on top of the world, etc
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I really consider anything pre biggie and tupac's murders to be old school
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I don't, I consider Kurtis Blow and etc Old school.
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I don't, I consider Kurtis Blow and etc Old school.
That's great but when is your cut off??
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It is hard to choose a cut off date but when gangsta rap came in there was a transition eliminating old school hip-hop.
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Public Enemy-Fear of a Black Planet
Beastie Boys-Paul's Boutique
MC Hammer-Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em (which had "Can't Touch This)
Slick Rick-The Adventures of Slick Rick (fist solo album)
De La Soul-3 Feet High and Rising (first album)
Tribe Called Quest-People's Instinctive Travels and Paths of Rhythem (first album)
Digital Underground-Sex Packets (first album)
Vanilla Ice-To the Extreme
Which of these albums weren't "old skool"??
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