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Old 05-10-2007, 02:59 PM   #41
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Sigh.

He was being pushed JUST FUCKING FINE until he GOT HIMSELF ARRESTED and EMBARRASSED THE GOD DAMN COMPANY!!!

You know what, FUCK RVD. Fuck him in the ASSHOLE. Fuck him in the asshole with a BIG RUBBER DICK. Fuck him in the asshole with a big rubber dick and then BREAK IT OFF and HIT HIM IN THE HEAD with it.

What is it, ECW, WWE, any of it, that makes RVD interesting? Why should I give a damn about him? The answer is I don't. I've seen him in the little company and the big, and he's useless as far as entertaining me. He's a spot monkey that appeals to the ECW fans, and a stoner that appeals to disaffected, pot-smoking, 4:20-muttering dumbasses. I'm not going to miss him one bit, and the TV time he takes up on ECW would be better served showing close-ups of Ariel.
Have you heard the responses that RVD gets from crowds all over the world? It's pretty clear that RVD appeals to more than just ECW fans & potheads.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:06 PM   #42
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Did I say he "only" appealed to those people? No. Those are the people he appeals to most, the people that make his pops more noticable than, say, Scotty Too Hotty. The Worm gets a pretty big reaction too, you know. I've been sick of this Van Dam cocksucking ever since the Invasion. He's gotten more than he deserved from WWE as far as I'm concerned, especially when I would have fired his useless ass after the arrest business.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:07 PM   #43
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Sigh.

He was being pushed JUST FUCKING FINE until he GOT HIMSELF ARRESTED and EMBARRASSED THE GOD DAMN COMPANY!!!

You know what, FUCK RVD. Fuck him in the ASSHOLE. Fuck him in the asshole with a BIG RUBBER DICK. Fuck him in the asshole with a big rubber dick and then BREAK IT OFF and HIT HIM IN THE HEAD with it.

What is it, ECW, WWE, any of it, that makes RVD interesting? Why should I give a damn about him? The answer is I don't. I've seen him in the little company and the big, and he's useless as far as entertaining me. He's a spot monkey that appeals to the ECW fans, and a stoner that appeals to disaffected, pot-smoking, 4:20-muttering dumbasses. I'm not going to miss him one bit, and the TV time he takes up on ECW would be better served showing close-ups of Ariel.
That's like a 7 on the Kano Spaz-o-Meter right there
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:07 PM   #44
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:08 PM   #45
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That's like a 7 on the Kano Spaz-o-Meter right there
It's been six years in the making.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:11 PM   #46
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:19 PM   #47
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:21 PM   #48
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Did I say he "only" appealed to those people? No. Those are the people he appeals to most, the people that make his pops more noticable than, say, Scotty Too Hotty. The Worm gets a pretty big reaction too, you know. I've been sick of this Van Dam cocksucking ever since the Invasion. He's gotten more than he deserved from WWE as far as I'm concerned, especially when I would have fired his useless ass after the arrest business.
Well, I'm glad you clarified your point because in your original statement you just happened to fail to mention that RVD is MAD over with casual wrestling fans all around the world.

While you never said 'only' you did insinuate that the only people who enjoy RVD are ECW fans and potheads by ommiting any mention of the other millions of people around the world who cheer for RVD.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:33 PM   #49
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RVD os MAD over because of exposure and a certain amount of consistency (until his absence that ended a year and a half ago, he had been pretty much constant since 2001.) Put anyone out there that long as a face, and as long as they aren't abysmally bad at what they do, they'll get equal reaction. And crowd reaction does not make a useful wrestler. Ron Simmons gets mad crowd reaction saying "damn," does that mean the entire show should be built around that? Van Dam is a solid midcarder with a good and useful following, but there are a dozen guys on the roster that get equally good reactions that DON'T get arrested for smoking pot in the middle of their pushes.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:33 PM   #50
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Sigh.

He was being pushed JUST FUCKING FINE until he GOT HIMSELF ARRESTED and EMBARRASSED THE GOD DAMN COMPANY!!!
Embarrassed the company? It barely made internet news and did nothing to affect the share price. Randy Orton has done worse time and time again and I wouldn't even say he embarrassed the company. Only himself.

And RVD should have kept his spot purely because he protected Sabu's gimmick to the cop and did all the talking for him
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:35 PM   #51
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Embarrassed the company? It barely made internet news and did nothing to affect the share price. Randy Orton has done worse time and time again and I wouldn't even say he embarrassed the company. Only himself.
Ok, definitely an overstatement, but still, at a time when WWE was trying to put over their wellness policy, he may as well have been seen wiping his ass with a copy of it.

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And RVD should have kept his spot purely because he protected Sabu's gimmick to the cop and did all the talking for him
Okay... I'll give you that one.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:36 PM   #52
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Maybe instead of "embarrassed the company" I could have said "publicly made a mockery of the wellness policy."
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:38 PM   #53
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They made a mockery of their own wellness policy enough long before then.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:41 PM   #54
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The wellness policy pretty much mocks itself, but its a different issue when you have an arrest report to show for your actions.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:41 PM   #55
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:44 PM   #56
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Old 05-10-2007, 04:03 PM   #57
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I have to agree with Pidgett, here. It's no different than "breaking KAYFABE." Sure, it's a joke, and everyone knew wrestling was fake, but you weren't supposed to say it.

RVD didn't just address the elephant in the room, he went up and proceeded to blow it. Only a total moron would expect this not to bite him in the ass.
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Old 05-10-2007, 04:11 PM   #58
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RVD blew an elephant? Was this in the Observer?
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Old 05-10-2007, 04:16 PM   #59
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tbh, i really don't see van dam as the face of ECW and never did. Initially i saw the face of ECW as being Angle
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Old 05-10-2007, 04:36 PM   #61
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Come on Pepsi Man, it's OBVIOUS that Angle has always been the face of ECW...just watch the original ONS?

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Old 05-10-2007, 04:39 PM   #62
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The way Angle was pushed during the beginning of WWECW (after ONS2), I would agree that Angle was the face of ECW, even more so than Van Dam.
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Old 05-10-2007, 04:51 PM   #64
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RVD os MAD over because of exposure and a certain amount of consistency (until his absence that ended a year and a half ago, he had been pretty much constant since 2001.) Put anyone out there that long as a face, and as long as they aren't abysmally bad at what they do, they'll get equal reaction. And crowd reaction does not make a useful wrestler. Ron Simmons gets mad crowd reaction saying "damn," does that mean the entire show should be built around that? Van Dam is a solid midcarder with a good and useful following, but there are a dozen guys on the roster that get equally good reactions that DON'T get arrested for smoking pot in the middle of their pushes.
1. Way to use a faulty comparison between RVD & Simmons
2. I never argued that Van Dam didn't fuck up his own push
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There's the solution. Just have Simmons quit with RVD and form a tag team with TNA:

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I do hate to see him go, and hope something better happens in the future for him, even if I don't really want to see him in TNA. ROH sounds good though.

But like I've said before, going back to his arrest. Even though people debate what should have happened to him, my say is that he got caught doing something that everyone knew he did. I'm not saying he's innocent, but he just shouldn't have been doing it at that time. He did mess up his push by getting caught, but I still think that he shouldn't have gotten in as much trouble as he did.
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The way Angle was pushed during the beginning of WWECW (after ONS2), I would agree that Angle was the face of ECW, even more so than Van Dam.
I agree that that was certainly WWE's intention...but it was also a prime example of WWE ramming a square peg into a circular hole and breaking the "Hammer of History" in the process.
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:15 PM   #69
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Van Dam's name is safe for the smae reason Christians is.
WRONG!

Rob Van Dam is a trademark of WWE, to which Rob consented.
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:34 PM   #70
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:35 PM   #71
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WRONG!

Rob Van Dam is a trademark of WWE, to which Rob consented.
Yeah, to be honest with you, I was kind of surprised Rob ever agreed to that, even before all this contract negotiation shit came up.
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:41 PM   #72
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:41 PM   #73
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Christian only got away with it because WWE trademarked only "Christian".
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:44 PM   #74
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They also own "RVD", so using the initials as a way to promote him is out too.
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:47 PM   #75
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RVD blew an elephant? Was this in the Observer?
Nope, exclusive to TPWW.

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They also own "RVD", so using the initials as a way to promote him is out too.
DVR!

Don Vin Ron!

Don West's long lost cousin!

Don Vin Ron : You know TNA...there's a reason my last name isn't WEST...it's because of things *pause* DON west did to me. *pause* A long time ago...

Tenay : What did you do Don?

Don : What I'm about to do right now AGAIN!

Don West leaves his commentary position and walks into the ring.

Don Vin Ron : I ain the same person anymore Don. Come one step closer and you'll know what VIN RON is made of!

Don West : TOTAL NON STOP ACTION?

*takes off belt(

Don West : I'm gonna spank you for embarassing me like this on IMPACT!

Don swings his belt but his pants fall off and the fans start laughing.

Don Vin Ron : I told you not to come any closer Don! I ain't the one embarassed now am I?

Don Vin Ron then steals Don West's pants.

Don Vin Ron : And Mr. West, if you want these back, you can have them on the next PPV in an ELECTRIFIED PANTS ON A POLE MATCH!

Tenay : THIS IS WRESTLING!

Don West *points at Don Vin Ron and does the *cutthroat* motion with his hand*

Tenay : Next Pay Per View these two will meet in the first ever ELECTRIFIED PANTS ON A POLE MATCH!
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:51 PM   #77
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Have you ever read that whole list of stuff they can use his name on...

Greeting cards, children's activity books (stay inside the lines on the joint), pencil sharpeners (wtf?), customized personal checks (an RVD checkbook is JUST what I've always wanted), paper hats and other party favors...
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Have you ever read that whole list of stuff they can use his name on...

Greeting cards, children's activity books (stay inside the lines on the joint), pencil sharpeners (wtf?), customized personal checks (an RVD checkbook is JUST what I've always wanted), paper hats and other party favors...


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Wow...
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Old 05-10-2007, 05:56 PM   #80
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I'm not seeing any reason he work under the name, only that merchandise would be out of the question. As for Christian he was allowed to use the name due to the fact he worked under the name BEFORE WWE. Which would be the case if Van Dam hadn't given away the legal rights to it.

Again, T-shirts and what not are out of the question. But I didn't see anything that would qualify that he couldn't work under the name.

Can you offer any clarity?
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