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Old 03-03-2008, 12:00 AM   #41
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Better than Brian Gerwitz head booking, guys hates wrestling...yet books a wrestling show
I think the man has had like one good idea. I think he might have just been agreeing with it because he was sucking Stephanie's cock, though.
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:17 AM   #42
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I didn't think Punk versus Guerrero from No Way Out was even second tier PPV material worthy... let alone Wrestle freakin Mania material.

They could have gone different directions to give ECW, their belt, and their few stars a good place on the card. The belt and the brand has to be on the card in at least one match other than the money in the bank. Seems like Punk vs Chavo is overdone, so I think the best thing they could do is a big clusterfuck for the title under extreme rules.
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:48 AM   #43
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Just throw all the former ECW Champions into the match, perhaps? Chavo Guerrero vs. Tommy Dreamer vs. John Morrison vs. CM Punk?

I'm still all for bringing Rob Van Dam back for a night, putting him over Chavo (come on, I love him, but it's Chavo), and giving the ECW fans a surprise feel-good moment). RVD can then forfeit the belt, and they can do a tournament for it (maybe even King of the Ring with the ECW Title being the prize), or they can get RVD to appear a few more times, and drop the belt to someone like Shelton Benjamin.
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:36 PM   #44
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So, Carlito's been added to the roster. I doubt it will matter much, but it's better than nothing.
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:27 AM   #45
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Hmm, Carlito being added is interesting. I guess it makes sense with Santino Marella hopefully squashing Jerry Lawler at WrestleMania and taking his place on the RAW commentary team for at least the rest of the evening (I can dream).

I like the way they've added Chris Jericho, Carlito and Mr. Kennedy. Those three men all share a lot of significance with the match. Jericho, in storylines, created the match; Carlito revived it for WrestleMania 22; and Mr. Kennedy won it last (the defending MITB champion, so to speak). Jeff Hardy is a Ladder Match icon, and Shelton Benjamin is a staple of the concept.

So far, all the participants are good picks, in my opinion.
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:29 AM   #46
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Yinno, Its kinda sad.

The best thing WWE has made in the past 7 years (post Invasion) is this match, and to decide who jobs to Cena at Summerslam.
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Be aware of my username while reading this: I think either a tie or Hardy winning is likely. Either way, there'll probably be a push down the line.
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Just throw all the former ECW Champions into the match, perhaps? Chavo Guerrero vs. Tommy Dreamer vs. John Morrison vs. CM Punk?
I'd be in favor of John Morrison, but seriously, chavo or dreamer, no way in hell, cm punk has been dead to me for awhile so if he's even in the match i'd blow chunks
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I'd be in favor of John Morrison, but seriously, chavo or dreamer, no way in hell, cm punk has been dead to me for awhile so if he's even in the match i'd blow chunks
Well, Chavo is currently the ECW Champion, so it seems to make sense he'd be in any ECW Title match. CM Punk is also being used as his rival and the guy nipping at his heels all the time.

Tommy Dreamer I just threw in there because he's got his rivalry with John Morrison and The Miz, and it puts half the match in there. I can see The Miz at ringside beating down Colin Delaney, which distracts Tommy Dreamer long enough for Morrison to take advantage and eliminate him from the match first.

Punk, Chavo and Morrison would be able to work some pretty fucking sweet spots into a match between them, and while it would make sense for Morrison to go next, I'd actually have Chavo eat a GTS, and get pinned by CM Punk. Then it can come down to CM Punk and John Morrison, the two guys who feuded over the vacant ECW Title last year. Punk then hits a Pepsi Plunge (I can dream), and pins John Morrison to win his second ECW Championship.

OK, so we won't be seeing the Pepsi Plunge anytime soon. But I personally don't mind the idea of the match.
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I read there is possiblity of Kahli being added to the match
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I read there is possiblity of Kahli being added to the match
Oh God no. Just no. It will be fun to see him eat about twelve ladder shots and stay standing, but fuck, please no.
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Well, Chavo is currently the ECW Champion, so it seems to make sense he'd be in any ECW Title match. CM Punk is also being used as his rival and the guy nipping at his heels all the time.

Tommy Dreamer I just threw in there because he's got his rivalry with John Morrison and The Miz, and it puts half the match in there. I can see The Miz at ringside beating down Colin Delaney, which distracts Tommy Dreamer long enough for Morrison to take advantage and eliminate him from the match first.

Punk, Chavo and Morrison would be able to work some pretty fucking sweet spots into a match between them, and while it would make sense for Morrison to go next, I'd actually have Chavo eat a GTS, and get pinned by CM Punk. Then it can come down to CM Punk and John Morrison, the two guys who feuded over the vacant ECW Title last year. Punk then hits a Pepsi Plunge (I can dream), and pins John Morrison to win his second ECW Championship.

OK, so we won't be seeing the Pepsi Plunge anytime soon. But I personally don't mind the idea of the match.
Or punk could fade so far down the ECW roster and make me happy, i can agree when people have talent and are good and what not but seriously if the same guy (i.e Bats, Cena and now Punk) get to challenge for the title pay-per-view after pay-per-view and then hold it forever thens when i draw the line, punks had has shots, for the love of god lets see some freshness for christs sake Burke, Benjamin hell even Morrison who hasn't been near the title picture unless its to job to punk.
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Or punk could fade so far down the ECW roster and make me happy, i can agree when people have talent and are good and what not but seriously if the same guy (i.e Bats, Cena and now Punk) get to challenge for the title pay-per-view after pay-per-view and then hold it forever thens when i draw the line, punks had has shots, for the love of god lets see some freshness for christs sake Burke, Benjamin hell even Morrison who hasn't been near the title picture unless its to job to punk.
I agree with you, the WWE has made a mess of CM Punk's "push" as it stands. The man is losing cleanly to Chavo, and then earning more shots. But Punk is talented, and the guy the WWE wants to become ECW's star. The booking may be pretty shitty, but Punk being the guy in ECW is the right move, in my opinion.

Other guys should get a chance, I completely agree. Elijah Burke should definitely be in Money in the Bank, in my opinion, and you've got Shelton Benjamin in there. John Morrison, The Miz, Tommy Dreamer and Colin Delaney should make the card with their antics. But I can see why the WWE spends so much time focused on Punk. He is the guy they've marked as a star, because he does have the quality.

He's just been booked pretty inconsistently.
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Old 03-09-2008, 06:25 PM   #54
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MVP just defeated Jamie Noble at a house show to qualify for the Money in the Bank Ladder Match. I kind of suspected this would happen, as Matt Hardy did not return to television immediately, and start the appropriate rebuild of their feud.

I do, however, think we'll see Matt Hardy in the MITB Ladder Match, as well. This leaves one spot left, I believe. That will either go to Kane or CM Punk, I believe. Punk's spot in the match would make sense if they find someone to face Chavo for the ECW Title (fuck, even Kane could do it), and don't want to run another Chavo vs. Punk match. I can see the WWE giving Chavo and Punk a gimmick match spot on the card, however. Kane is the most likely entrant into the match. This would give RAW four slots for the match, SmackDown! three, and ECW one.

Now that he's in the match, I'm kind of thinking MVP has a good chance of winning. A lot of people are thinking of this as Jeff Hardy's match to win, but I'm not so sure. Jeff is on the rise no matter which way you look at it. MVP has also been rising, but the Money in the Bank stipulation just seems like his thing more so than Jeff.

I remember thinking to myself that Jeff Hardy would be my WrestleMania MITB Tipsters pick, unless MVP got in. Then I'd have to think about it some more. MVP has got a very good shot at winning, in my opinion.
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Old 03-09-2008, 06:35 PM   #55
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I'm really loving the way this MITB Ladder Match is shaping up. It's a great blend of guys, in my opinion.

Chris Jericho is making his second MITB appearance, and in kayfabe created the match. Shelton Benjamin is also returning from the original MITB Ladder Match, and this will be his third participating effort in the match. If Kane does make it into the match, it will be his second MITB appearance, having also appeared in the original. This would mean half the orginal MITB Ladder Match would make it into the fourth one.

Jeff Hardy is making his second MITB appearance, having lost last year. His brother will be in the match for the third time, tying Shelton Benjamin's record. It's Mr. Kennedy's second MITB match. He won the previous year, so is sort of the "defending champion" heading into the match.

Carlito revived the concept for WrestleMania 22 in storylines, but will be making his debut in the match this year. MVP will also be making his first appearance. It is looking like MVP will be United States Champion heading into the match, which would pit the US Champion against the Intercontinental Champion within the match.

I'm just loving this, as you have three guys from the original, two guys making their debut, and The Hardys returning from later incarnations of the match. I mean, this is assuming that Kane and Matt Hardy take the remaining two slots.
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Eh I wouldn't bank on MVP being officially in MITB yet. Remember when Moore Wang qualified for the Rumble at a house show?

Yeah, they never ended in the Rumble.

They probably just did this for the crowd in attendance, but we will wait and see.
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Old 03-09-2008, 06:36 PM   #57
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MVP just defeated Jamie Noble at a house show to qualify for the Money in the Bank Ladder Match. I kind of suspected this would happen, as Matt Hardy did not return to television immediately, and start the appropriate rebuild of their feud.

I do, however, think we'll see Matt Hardy in the MITB Ladder Match, as well. This leaves one spot left, I believe. That will either go to Kane or CM Punk, I believe. Punk's spot in the match would make sense if they find someone to face Chavo for the ECW Title (fuck, even Kane could do it), and don't want to run another Chavo vs. Punk match. I can see the WWE giving Chavo and Punk a gimmick match spot on the card, however. Kane is the most likely entrant into the match. This would give RAW four slots for the match, SmackDown! three, and ECW one.

Now that he's in the match, I'm kind of thinking MVP has a good chance of winning. A lot of people are thinking of this as Jeff Hardy's match to win, but I'm not so sure. Jeff is on the rise no matter which way you look at it. MVP has also been rising, but the Money in the Bank stipulation just seems like his thing more so than Jeff.

I remember thinking to myself that Jeff Hardy would be my WrestleMania MITB Tipsters pick, unless MVP got in. Then I'd have to think about it some more. MVP has got a very good shot at winning, in my opinion.


I dunno.

Your right about Hardy, he doesnt need this. But the winner is GOING to be a champion this year. I think Hardy is the onyl one with a chance of that happening.
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Why does everyone want Kane in the match? I mean I have no problems with Kane but just like the other MITB he was in he really didn't do much to add to the match.
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Why does everyone want Kane in the match? I mean I have no problems with Kane but just like the other MITB he was in he really didn't do much to add to the match.
adding a big guy opens up some more power based spots and a different dynamic, it also lends a bit of name credibility to a match.
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adding a big guy opens up some more power based spots and a different dynamic, it also lends a bit of name credibility to a match.
This is it, really. It also means that we won't have to get Kane vs. The Great Khali, Kane vs. Mark Henry or Kane vs. Big Daddy V. Having a grounded guy also makes sure the match runs smoother, as he can ensure that spots go as planned, and stuff like that.

Umaga was my original choice for a big man in the match, but he's tied up elsewhere.
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with 8 guys, but 2 or 3 at a time in the big spots, Kane can clear house and work some small stuff to fill time between big spots.
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No he didn't. He was losing the title a couple of weeks after that anyway.
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Old 03-10-2008, 12:25 PM   #63
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They should make MITB the main event coz right now it's looking pretty fucking sick.
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Looking at the match, it seems like its designed for Jeff Hardy to have a spectacular moment and win a big match.

Problem is that I see the MITB thing as a heel trophy. I mean when RVD won it, and waited for the ECW show to get the title shot, it made sense, and came across as a babyface move, but usually this seems like something a heel should win. The other problem, as I see it is that in looking at people's predictions this card seems to be extremely babyface win heavy. That should be the point of Mania, but some heels need to go over to set the table for the post-Mania build.

If they dont plan to give Hardy a title run/shot until the summer (Ive heard rumours on the net about Summerslam), then having him carry around that briefcase for 6 months doesnt really make sense to me. A true babyface move would be to take the title shot right away, or at least by the next PPV.

I would rather see Hardy do some big spot, but eventually lose the shot and transition into another fued. Someone here mentioned Jericho, I know they had that match on TV a couple weeks ago, so that makes good enough sense to me.

I would do something like have it come down to Jeff, Matt, MVP and Jericho with two ladders near the centre of the ring. Jeff and Jericho climb opposite one another and Matt and MVP do the same on the other ladder. Jericho gets the jump on everyone, and looks like he will reach first, but Jeff bumps him off and Jericho sells a knee/leg injury. Jeff is now in the lead, he's near the top, touches the briefcase, but Jericho does something like flip the ladder, or maybe because Jericho's knee/leg wont allow him to climb the ladder, he does something really cheap like pull out a rope or a chain of some type and ties Hardy's leg to the ladder, which prevents him from climbing to the top. In the meantime MVP and Matt go back and forth on the other ladder, and MVP finally somehow bumps off Hardy and grabs the briefcase.

That way you can build up a Jericho-Hardy program, and MVP gets the future title shot (which he can hang on to for however long they want) and he can still continue to fued with Matt Hardy over the spring for the US title and maybe even a match with the title shot on the line.

I would bet there's a decent chance Kane gets in the match. Kane is a major star, and has been with the company now for a long time. I would think they will try to find a spot for him, and even though he's not the ideal Ladder Match wrestler, he does add an additional element and he probably wouldnt hurt the match
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Hadn't posted in this thread before because I was SO sure that Hardy was taking MiTB, and was upset because I think Wrestlemania this year will be predictable and usually the MiTB is the saving grace. There are usually a few contenders. This year, all I could see, and I think all the WWE could see, was Jeff Hardy.

NOW...things get interesting, with Hardy suspended for 60 days, suddenly this thread, and more importantly this match, gets very interesting!

Personally, I am thinking MVP if he has indeed qualified. I read that he has been getting big, big reactions at houseshows and MVP on Smackdown or Raw, walking around with a title shot opportunity, could be seen as a real threat. An MVP title win could be just what he needs to make him a main event player.

What are we all thinking/hoping for now Who will replace Hardy? Will WWE change the strategy for the rest of the entrants, to compensate for Hardy?
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I dunno.

Your right about Hardy, he doesnt need this. But the winner is GOING to be a champion this year. I think Hardy is the onyl one with a chance of that happening.
...and now he doesn't.
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Will WWE change the strategy for the rest of the entrants, to compensate for Hardy?
Seeing as it's a week away, probably not much, but the main feud going into this match was Jeff and Jericho. So now I think they will be shifting gears somehow.
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Hardy has already been taken out of the match on WWE.com
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So much for that happening..
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I could see Punk (qualify tonight?) or MVP taking it.
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I can now see Punk getting in there with a good shot at winning it. If not him, then Kennedy or MVP.
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If i were you i'd put my vote on MVP, just for the sake of your life
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Punk is facing Big Daddy V tonight in a MITB qualifier.

Either Punk wins or we get to see BDV trying to climb a ladder at Wrestlemania.
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I want BDV to win that just for the laughs seeing him try to climb the ladder will bring.
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Does Paul Burchill still wrestle? If he is a Pirate still I hope he qualifies and sets up a board on top of two ladders and makes someone walk the plank.

No he's not a 'pirate' anymore, they changed his gimmick, have you not been watching lately?
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Yeah, its meant to be some kinda incest angle with katie lea his 'sister'. I don't think the gimmick will last that long tbh. They're just looking for something to fill the midcard with.
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