Wake me up when december ends

[Damian Rey]

I'm still wondering why anyone would pay money to see Cena v Rollins on ppv or the Network when we've gotten it for free pretty much all year. I don't understand the business model behind that.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Without ads and they know they don't show everything they can do on free tv.

[Big Vic]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon Without ads and they know they don't show everything they can do on free tv.

"Television, not TV."

[Shisen Kopf]

Originally Posted by Big Vic "Television, not TV."

Hmmm is the WWE Network television or not. Let us debate.

[Sixx]

Originally Posted by Big Vic "Television, not TV."

Also, advertisements, not ads.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Cynick is a black hole of brutality, going to have to ignore him from now on.]

Current product is boring. Nuff said

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead Cynick is a black hole of brutality, going to have to ignore him from now on.] Current product is boring. Nuff said

Yup. So we'll meet up Monday night to discuss RAW? And every week after that and every PPV? We can make lists about how much this show we watch week in and week out blows. It'll be fun.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Yup. So we'll meet up Monday night to discuss RAW? And every week after that and every PPV? We can make lists about how much this show we watch week in and week out blows. It'll be fun.

Fact is whenever I give the product a chance I am drastically disappointed. What captured my imagination and made me a fan is for all intents and purposes gone from the wwe. When I was younger my expectations were lower because I was 7. Now I'm 28 and I need something more stimulating. Not a wrestling show being written like a variety tv show. I still love wrestling though. It's unfortunate that the only game in town lacks the vision to make it must watch t.v.

[Heisenberg]

Whenever America decides to stop the PC, then we will see the return of the Attitude. Sorry not sorry guys, Attitude Era fan in the house

[Shisen Kopf]

Don't know why the WWE refuses to call it Brocktoberfest. Have him do a gauntlet for 3 hours on raw.

[Damian Rey]

The product could still thrive without the crash tv approach. The problem lies in not investing in anyone not named Cena. Your top champion shouldn't be losing at all unless he's being a scum bag getting disqualified.

Giving away matches for free, like Cena Rollins. Maybe the televised matches aren't as good as the Network special bouts, but it's still the two same guys going at it on free tv. Kills any hype. Lesnar only wrestling on ppv made him a legit prize fighter attraction. Of course Rollins being featured weekly and defending the belt monthly will water that down, but he shouldn't be getting pinned or submitted cleanly on tv.

The other issue is direction. CyNick joked about Rusev being a contender for Brock and he's right in doing so, citing the currently lame direction they have him going. He went from having a great debut run, through a solid program with Cena, to feuding with a now kinda creepy Dolph Ziggler. Lana goes from being a strong, intelligent woman to arm candy scorned by a seemingly unfaithful man. It was needless and only diminished the characters they spent nearly a year building.

And of course Bray Wyatt should be a, if not the top heel in the company, but he's never been pushed to that level despite consistently delivering on the micand in the ring. He's been over guys like Ambrose, Reigns and Bryan, but they haven't given him that one signature win and I don't understand why.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Damian Rey The product could still thrive without the crash tv approach. The problem lies in not investing in anyone not named Cena. Your top champion shouldn't be losing at all unless he's being a scum bag getting disqualified. Giving away matches for free, like Cena Rollins. Maybe the televised matches aren't as good as the Network special bouts, but it's still the two same guys going at it on free tv. Kills any hype. Lesnar only wrestling on ppv made him a legit prize fighter attraction. Of course Rollins being featured weekly and defending the belt monthly will water that down, but he shouldn't be getting pinned or submitted cleanly on tv. The other issue is direction. CyNick joked about Rusev being a contender for Brock and he's right in doing so, citing the currently lame direction they have him going. He went from having a great debut run, through a solid program with Cena, to feuding with a now kinda creepy Dolph Ziggler. Lana goes from being a strong, intelligent woman to arm candy scorned by a seemingly unfaithful man. It was needless and only diminished the characters they spent nearly a year building. And of course Bray Wyatt should be a, if not the top heel in the company, but he's never been pushed to that level despite consistently delivering on the micand in the ring. He's been over guys like Ambrose, Reigns and Bryan, but they haven't given him that one signature win and I don't understand why.

If a heel never loses, he becomes a babyface real quick. Its human nature to root for the team that wins all the time. When they want to turn Rollins, he will start to accumulate wins.

As for Cena, he should be protected, he's far and away the biggest star in the company. However, for a star of his magnitude, he puts over TONS of people.

Im not a huge fan of PPV rematches on TV the night after the Special. However, in some cases they are okay, and serve to move along storylines. There's never going to be a rule that covers all scenarios. TV is important, you need to keep people watching. If no big matches ever happened on RAW, people would likely tune out.

I think they missed the target with the Rusev-Lana thing. I think they thought moving Lana away from Rusev would turn her into a Sable type character after she left Mero. IMO the mistake was making it a love foursome, instead of just having Lana leave Rusev and do her own thing. Now I think they just need to bring them back together.

Wyatt to me is a strange one. I love his gimmick, I love the way he's portrayed, but I just dont think the average fan digs him. I think people like his intro, and all the bells and whistles around the gimmick. I hear a lot of BORING and WHAT chants when Bray is doing longer promos. Thats not conducive to being a #1 type heel.

[Damian Rey]

Originally Posted by The CyNick If a heel never loses, he becomes a babyface real quick. Its human nature to root for the team that wins all the time. When they want to turn Rollins, he will start to accumulate wins. As for Cena, he should be protected, he's far and away the biggest star in the company. However, for a star of his magnitude, he puts over TONS of people. Im not a huge fan of PPV rematches on TV the night after the Special. However, in some cases they are okay, and serve to move along storylines. There's never going to be a rule that covers all scenarios. TV is important, you need to keep people watching. If no big matches ever happened on RAW, people would likely tune out. I think they missed the target with the Rusev-Lana thing. I think they thought moving Lana away from Rusev would turn her into a Sable type character after she left Mero. IMO the mistake was making it a love foursome, instead of just having Lana leave Rusev and do her own thing. Now I think they just need to bring them back together. Wyatt to me is a strange one. I love his gimmick, I love the way he's portrayed, but I just dont think the average fan digs him. I think people like his intro, and all the bells and whistles around the gimmick. I hear a lot of BORING and WHAT chants when Bray is doing longer promos. Thats not conducive to being a #1 type heel.

I don't recall Triple H losing all that much during his bastard heel run in the Attitude era. He won constantly. It wasn't until he got hurt and came back that he was cheered. And even then, that didn't even last a year. He became the top heel in Raw, won a fuck ton, and the crowd never turned, sans his Mania match with Cena.

They don't need to book Rollins cleanly over every opponent. I'm all for cheap wins because his character fits the slime ball type. Giving a guy like Ryback a roll up victory via distraction every now and again is fine. However, your top champion should in no way lose constantly, on television no less, by being pinned or submitted. By hook or crook a heel champion should be trying to gain heat by going through the back door for victories.

Cena has lost, sure. But other than Punk, who has gone on to be billed as an equal star? I guess you could try top argue Bryan, but injuries will likely leave us never knowing what the outcome of a title run would be. Even when Punk was on top, he wasn't the man like Cena has been the man. That's not Cena's fault, however, using him to elevate younger guys into more prominent positions within the company has been a massive failure on the company's end. Owens, Wyatt, Rusev should all be bigger deals. Thankfully, Owens is being given a go as intercontinental champion in a soft reboot. Those other two went nowhere fast.

I typically watch Raw weekly, and I've never hear a boring chant at Wyatt. Not saying it hasn't happened, but I've yet to experience it. Also, his cadence in his promos does not lend itself to getting the what chant. He's one of the few people other than Cena who can actually promo like he's conversing instead of regurgitating lines.

I still believe he can be a big deal. Everything is in place to make him a top star. It's whether or not they pull the trigger and give him the right direction that's the pending issue for him.

[Big Vic]

Originally Posted by The CyNick If a heel never loses, he becomes a babyface real quick. Its human nature to root for the team that wins all the time. When they want to turn Rollins, he will start to accumulate wins.

I don't remember people cheering Rusev last year.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Originally Posted by Big Vic I don't remember people cheering Rusev last year.

When he was faced Cena he got a good pop for passing Cena out.

[The CyNick]

Explain this to me.

If WWE had no intention of featuring Bryan at Mania, why did he go over Cena at Summerslam? Why take the top star in the company and have him JOB to a guy you don't see much in? Why not let them have a competitive match where Cena goes over? Then have Orton cash in MITB and proceed to the Batista v Orton payoff.

Why have Bryan get completely screwed out of the title by The Authority in the Fall? Isn't that usually a time where Mania programs start to take shape? Odd how that worked.

It possible WWE thought Batista v Orton would be a bigger attraction because Batista had been away from TV and then payoff Bryan winning back the title after Mania. But that's not how WWE usually caps off long running storylines. I think someone mentioned the rumour was Bryan vs Sheamus. And maybe that was true. But maybe the rumoured Punk v HHH match was to get Bryan into the main event. Maybe Sheamus was going to be there to just lay a beating on Bryan "in case" HHH lost to Punk.

Just seems like they blew a lot of TV time on Bryan v The Authority to just have it pay off with absolutely nothing. Interesting how the story that actually played out led into a Bats heel turn, which led to Shield v Evolution, which led to Rollins turning heel and setting up the next 18-24 months of storylines. For on the fly that's pretty good.

[Evil Vito]

I've basically lost faith in Wyatt ever being the top heel in the company. Just feels like it would have happened by now rather than him spending the better part of 2 years just sorta treading water and never really gaining any long-term momentum. Maybe they just don't have faith in his ability to go out an put on an interesting 20 minute main event every PPV.

I mean, even his matches with Cena and Taker were boring as fuck IMO. They clearly trust him to deliver the goods on the mic but the end result ends up just falling flat.

[Emperor Smeat]

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz I've basically lost faith in Wyatt ever being the top heel in the company. Just feels like it would have happened by now rather than him spending the better part of 2 years just sorta treading water and never really gaining any long-term momentum. Maybe they just don't have faith in his ability to go out an put on an interesting 20 minute main event every PPV. I mean, even his matches with Cena and Taker were boring as fuck IMO. They clearly trust him to deliver the goods on the mic but the end result ends up just falling flat.

He should have beaten Cena at Mania since it would have established him as the top bad guy (at least to the kids) and give Cena's character a fresh boost in a new direction.

Going into that match, the whole emphasis was on Cena's legacy and him not wanting to turn to the darkside in order to beat Bray. Could have redone the redemption angle he had with Rock except this time not be half-assed at the last moment.

Cena could lose casting doubt on how strong his legacy is after all or lose and also "turn" that causes his character to become corrupted a bit. Him beating Rusev a year later for the US belt would have been huge in terms of redemption.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Joking aside, Lesnar vs. Rusev is something I can totally see the WWE doing at WrestleMania next year. They'll just pretend that this extended back-and-forth program with Dolph Ziggler never happened.

[Mr. Nerfect]

All this losing of faith in guys having huge futures sure is great for business isn't it?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The legitimate plans for SmackDown circa 2006/2007 was to launch into a Bobby Lashley/Mr. Kennedy/MVP era. All of those guys are still wrestling, but two left the company and one got fired. It's sad to think about where guys can be not ten years after having the world in their hands.

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by Noid The legitimate plans for SmackDown circa 2006/2007 was to launch into a Bobby Lashley/Mr. Kennedy/MVP era. All of those guys are still wrestling, but two left the company and one got fired. It's sad to think about where guys can be not ten years after having the world in their hands.

I would love for MVP to come back as a veteran presence on NXT a la Rhyno. His initial gimmick was drawn from these diva athletes who think they're hot shit...have him come in and try to align himself with Apollo Crews, maybe even trying to be his "agent" and over time he tries to turn Crews into an asshole himself and when it backfires they can feud.

Dunno...I love MVP so I would welcome a return in any capacity. His podcast with Jericho though kinda implied that retirement would be more likely than going back to WWE. Understandable given that he's nearly 42 years old.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz I would love for MVP to come back as a veteran presence on NXT a la Rhyno. His initial gimmick was drawn from these diva athletes who think they're hot shit...have him come in and try to align himself with Apollo Crews, maybe even trying to be his "agent" and over time he tries to turn Crews into an asshole himself and when it backfires they can feud. Dunno...I love MVP so I would welcome a return in any capacity. His podcast with Jericho though kinda implied that retirement would be more likely than going back to WWE. Understandable given that he's nearly 42 years old.

MVP would suit NXT. Personally, I've wanted Finlay to return and work a program with Tyler Breeze. I think MVP could be the "big star humbled" in NXT.

[Big Vic]

The thing about Rusev/Lesnar is that it more intriguing than Show/Lesnar.

Henry/Lesnar is more intriguing. Anyone on the roster is more intriguing than Show/Lesnar.

I'd rather see Lesnar eat Fandango than even touch Big Show.

[Damian Rey]

Cesaro has been challenging guys who'vehad more success than he has in recent history. Him taking out Big Show and claiming his spot to take on Lesnar would've been far more intriguing. You know Cesaro will lose but the matchup is fresh and Cesaro looks good hitting some power moves and getting a near fall on Lesnar.

The Big Show match, which we saw a few years ago at the Royal Rumble when Lesnar destroyed him, is a bore. I have zero interest in a match we've seen a thousand times.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm not going to dignify the argument with an actual argument, and just say you're basing everything on non-sensical biases and assumptions. I am a super loyal wrestling fan because I've watched since the age of four. You're actually just being silly and grasping at straws.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead I'm not going to dignify the argument with an actual argument, and just say you're basing everything on non-sensical biases and assumptions. I am a super loyal wrestling fan because I've watched since the age of four. You're actually just being silly and grasping at straws.

Funny, I feel the same about you. Im not the one preaching about how much something I watch every week sucks.

Take some time away from the sheets and see how much more enjoyable the product becomes. Its not perfect all the time, but its still entertaining. Thats why I watch.

[Damian Rey]

One more point. They've been giving away free matches in tv for years. Ratings are dwindling. We could only guess that people have found other forms of entertainment on Monday nights that better hold their attention.

The big match is seemingly not much of a draw. Maybe if they took thethree hours of television and used it to invest in the talent that's being grossly underutilized, and gave them real direction and character arcs, the ratings would come back.

The fact that Raw's viewership is consistently dwindling, imo, speaks to the lack of care and concern in which the WWE writes and develops its flagship show and the roster they have at their disposal.

[Bad News Gertner]

Honestly, with the WWE Network and other online avenues, there's so much awesome stuff from years gone by to explore and watch now that I can't be bothered anymore to watch Smackdown or Raw,

Currently watch a WWF MSG show from 1984. Murdoch and Adnois vs the Wild Samoans two out of three falls on right now and I'm highly enjoying it. Murdoch and Adonis were an awesome team,

[Damian Rey]

There's a Flair Hogan match on one of those msg shows that I thoroughly enjoyed.

[Bad News Gertner]

The MSG shows from the 80's/early 90's are always a fun watch.

[#1-norm-fan]

No one over the age of 10 who wasn't hooked on wrestling from a prior generation is tuning in now and saying "Gee. This is compelling." It's just an abysmal product. It really is, without exaggeration, probably the most poorly written thing on television. You can only stay complacent with what you've created in the past for so long before you need to actually produce something worth watching in the present again.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan No one over the age of 10 who wasn't hooked on wrestling from a prior generation is tuning in now and saying "Gee. This is compelling." It's just an abysmal product. It really is, without exaggeration, probably the most poorly written thing on television. You can only stay complacent with what you've created in the past for so long before you need to actually produce something worth watching in the present again.

I think you're mixing things up.

Wrestling is and always has been a pretty basic level form of storytelling and character developmental. Even the greatest angles in the history of the business were not exactly Emmy Award winning pieces of writing. Was Vince ending up as the Higher Power more compelling than the stuff today?

I personally think the storytelling is no different today than it was 15 years ago. Triple H and Steph are the new Mr McMahon. You have the same cheesy love triangle storylines (Mero-Sable is Rusev-Lana). You have the cowardly heel champion gifted the belt (Rock was in the same spot Rollins is today). And most of those storylines have been staples in all wrestling territories.

There are several differences that cause people to percieve the current product as being not as good and the IWC faithful like to blame creative because it's the easy thing to do. When they should look closer at external factors.

First, the talent just isn't as good. In the ring, generally speaking each generation gets better in the ring. As athletes evolve they are able to do more things. If Kofi Kingston came along in 1990, he would stand out, today he's just another guy.

But the other aspects of being a sports entertainer are lost on a lot of guys. I think a lot of it has to do with the millennial generation. I think they expect creative to cultivate every aspect of their character and tell them what to say. In reality they should take ownership of the character they are given and contribute to the creative process so their character comes off more genuine. If you listen to the guys who made the serious money in this business they all talk about taking charge of their own characters. More guys should take that advice and run with it. Don't sit back and wait on the bench for your name to be called. Leave no doubt that you should be a star and if you are skilled, you will be one. Daniel Bryan is a great example of this and unfortunately he's rare in todays crop of talent. He proved he belonged at the top, and creative cultivated that.

The other problem is people remember the Attitude era fondly but in reality it was scumbag level TV. I was in my late teens during that era so it seemed cool, but looking back I would never want children exposed to the filth that was being presented on a weekly basis. At the time it was okay for WWE to present such a product because they were a solely owned company that was seen as renegade.

It wasn't a sustainable business model for the worldwide publicly traded entertainment conglomerate that the company has flourished into. Advertisers wanted no part of them, they were getting crucified in the media, nobody wanted to be associated with them. Now they are a much more mature brand, and you see the benefits of some of the cross promotional efforts that exist today. It's a product you are not afraid to watch with your children and grandparents alike. On top of that and more importantly is fiscally healthier.

The last thing is the violence. I think people have this fond memory of the late 90s because every other night you had someone risking life and limb or spilling blood to pop a rating. As a lifelong fan, i'm happier with the current toned down product. Hopefully fewer guys have concussion issues and crippling neck injuries. I can do without the off the ladder spear every month. I'd rather watch Xavier Woods play the trombone.

Once i stopped reading the sheets, I enjoyed wrestling for the same whackiness that got me hooked on it in the first place. If i find myself not enjoying a show i will stop watching. For example, I hated this past season of House of Cards. My reaction isn't to subscribe to Mave Deltzers newsletter to find out which writer had the most power last season, i'm just going to stop watching. Life is too short to waste time. If you enjoy, watch. If not, go check out anything on TLC and let me know how WWE writing stacks up.

[EzekielKane]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I think you're mixing things up. Wrestling is and always has been a pretty basic level form of storytelling and character developmental. Even the greatest angles in the history of the business were not exactly Emmy Award winning pieces of writing. Was Vince ending up as the Higher Power more compelling than the stuff today? I personally think the storytelling is no different today than it was 15 years ago. Triple H and Steph are the new Mr McMahon. You have the same cheesy love triangle storylines (Mero-Sable is Rusev-Lana). You have the cowardly heel champion gifted the belt (Rock was in the same spot Rollins is today). And most of those storylines have been staples in all wrestling territories. There are several differences that cause people to percieve the current product as being not as good and the IWC faithful like to blame creative because it's the easy thing to do. When they should look closer at external factors. First, the talent just isn't as good. In the ring, generally speaking each generation gets better in the ring. As athletes evolve they are able to do more things. If Kofi Kingston came along in 1990, he would stand out, today he's just another guy. But the other aspects of being a sports entertainer are lost on a lot of guys. I think a lot of it has to do with the millennial generation. I think they expect creative to cultivate every aspect of their character and tell them what to say. In reality they should take ownership of the character they are given and contribute to the creative process so their character comes off more genuine. If you listen to the guys who made the serious money in this business they all talk about taking charge of their own characters. More guys should take that advice and run with it. Don't sit back and wait on the bench for your name to be called. Leave no doubt that you should be a star and if you are skilled, you will be one. Daniel Bryan is a great example of this and unfortunately he's rare in todays crop of talent. He proved he belonged at the top, and creative cultivated that. The other problem is people remember the Attitude era fondly but in reality it was scumbag level TV. I was in my late teens during that era so it seemed cool, but looking back I would never want children exposed to the filth that was being presented on a weekly basis. At the time it was okay for WWE to present such a product because they were a solely owned company that was seen as renegade. It wasn't a sustainable business model for the worldwide publicly traded entertainment conglomerate that the company has flourished into. Advertisers wanted no part of them, they were getting crucified in the media, nobody wanted to be associated with them. Now they are a much more mature brand, and you see the benefits of some of the cross promotional efforts that exist today. It's a product you are not afraid to watch with your children and grandparents alike. On top of that and more importantly is fiscally healthier. The last thing is the violence. I think people have this fond memory of the late 90s because every other night you had someone risking life and limb or spilling blood to pop a rating. As a lifelong fan, i'm happier with the current toned down product. Hopefully fewer guys have concussion issues and crippling neck injuries. I can do without the off the ladder spear every month. I'd rather watch Xavier Woods play the trombone. Once i stopped reading the sheets, I enjoyed wrestling for the same whackiness that got me hooked on it in the first place. If i find myself not enjoying a show i will stop watching. For example, I hated this past season of House of Cards. My reaction isn't to subscribe to Mave Deltzers newsletter to find out which writer had the most power last season, i'm just going to stop watching. Life is too short to waste time. If you enjoy, watch. If not, go check out anything on TLC and let me know how WWE writing stacks up.

I agree with all of this, you make some good point! The wrestling storylines we see are almost always the same in fed to fed, generation to generation. What matters is the stars acting out those storyline and OBJCTIVElY the stars of today are better in the ring...but the storylines are no longer "shocking" because its all been done before and done more hardcore in a better way.
No matter how good the wrestlers are, you will not be as entertained by a stable taking over a fed now that NWO had been done!

[NormanSmiley]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I think you're mixing things up. Wrestling is and always has been a pretty basic level form of storytelling and character developmental. Even the greatest angles in the history of the business were not exactly Emmy Award winning pieces of writing. Was Vince ending up as the Higher Power more compelling than the stuff today? I personally think the storytelling is no different today than it was 15 years ago. Triple H and Steph are the new Mr McMahon. You have the same cheesy love triangle storylines (Mero-Sable is Rusev-Lana). You have the cowardly heel champion gifted the belt (Rock was in the same spot Rollins is today). And most of those storylines have been staples in all wrestling territories. There are several differences that cause people to percieve the current product as being not as good and the IWC faithful like to blame creative because it's the easy thing to do. When they should look closer at external factors. First, the talent just isn't as good. In the ring, generally speaking each generation gets better in the ring. As athletes evolve they are able to do more things. If Kofi Kingston came along in 1990, he would stand out, today he's just another guy. But the other aspects of being a sports entertainer are lost on a lot of guys. I think a lot of it has to do with the millennial generation. I think they expect creative to cultivate every aspect of their character and tell them what to say. In reality they should take ownership of the character they are given and contribute to the creative process so their character comes off more genuine. If you listen to the guys who made the serious money in this business they all talk about taking charge of their own characters. More guys should take that advice and run with it. Don't sit back and wait on the bench for your name to be called. Leave no doubt that you should be a star and if you are skilled, you will be one. Daniel Bryan is a great example of this and unfortunately he's rare in todays crop of talent. He proved he belonged at the top, and creative cultivated that. The other problem is people remember the Attitude era fondly but in reality it was scumbag level TV. I was in my late teens during that era so it seemed cool, but looking back I would never want children exposed to the filth that was being presented on a weekly basis. At the time it was okay for WWE to present such a product because they were a solely owned company that was seen as renegade. It wasn't a sustainable business model for the worldwide publicly traded entertainment conglomerate that the company has flourished into. Advertisers wanted no part of them, they were getting crucified in the media, nobody wanted to be associated with them. Now they are a much more mature brand, and you see the benefits of some of the cross promotional efforts that exist today. It's a product you are not afraid to watch with your children and grandparents alike. On top of that and more importantly is fiscally healthier. The last thing is the violence. I think people have this fond memory of the late 90s because every other night you had someone risking life and limb or spilling blood to pop a rating. As a lifelong fan, i'm happier with the current toned down product. Hopefully fewer guys have concussion issues and crippling neck injuries. I can do without the off the ladder spear every month. I'd rather watch Xavier Woods play the trombone. Once i stopped reading the sheets, I enjoyed wrestling for the same whackiness that got me hooked on it in the first place. If i find myself not enjoying a show i will stop watching. For example, I hated this past season of House of Cards. My reaction isn't to subscribe to Mave Deltzers newsletter to find out which writer had the most power last season, i'm just going to stop watching. Life is too short to waste time. If you enjoy, watch. If not, go check out anything on TLC and let me know how WWE writing stacks up.

everything about this is accurate and you guys can't see it because you still believe you should be the demographic focus because you have been fans for so long. we aren't the demographic and the extreme days and all the crash tv stuff is dead, it isn't coming back, nor should it.

You guys clamoring for someone that you have a crush on to get elevated are the same guys who shit on a superstar once he's in the spotlight. IWC are hands down the most fickle group to ever exist and that is why you can't have nice things.

there are stars and they will always shine through. I would love for the company to push the guys i like most, I'd love less Cena, i want managers brought back, i want cole put out to pasture, i want superstars back on saturday mornings to watch squash matches, etc, but if you don't like the product it's because they aren't catering to you anymore and you feel like youare more important than the masses. or you don't understand corporations, or you are so stupid you actually believe wretlemania 32 is booked the night after wrestlemania 31 and there are never more than one option in place.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I think CyNick has a point though. Extreme knowledge of the behind the scenes of the product from dirt sheets hurts enjoyment. That Dolphinfan guy's predictions ruined many ppvs when people (OwenBrown) would post what he found out on threads. When Jim Cornette was working for TNA he overtly stayed away from finding out what was going to happen for a (slight) chance to enjoy the show.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon I think CyNick has a point though. Extreme knowledge of the behind the scenes of the product from dirt sheets hurts enjoyment. That Dolphinfan guy's predictions ruined many ppvs when people (OwenBrown) would post what he found out on threads. When Jim Cornette was working for TNA he overtly stayed away from finding out what was going to happen for a (slight) chance to enjoy the show.

Good post

[Shisen Kopf]

They cheered for him at the royal rumble bc no one wanted Romen Reigns to win. I was torn who to cheer for. I can't go against the anti USA #1 soviet but then again Roman Reigns was so undeserving bc the Internet tells me so.

[Big Vic]

I cheered for Curtis Axel.

[Sixx]

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