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Old 09-23-2015, 04:40 PM   #1
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Those were 2 different story lines had the first picture have been Orton cashing in I would have responded with

"WWE had to be dragged kicking and screaming to put Daniel back in the title picture."
Haha. Oh man. I love how you buy into the dirt sheet writer BS.

Yeah WWE accidentally built all their storylines to come together at the biggest show of the year with Bryan overcoming huge odds.
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:49 PM   #2
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Haha. Oh man. I love how you buy into the dirt sheet writer BS.

Yeah WWE accidentally built all their storylines to come together at the biggest show of the year with Bryan overcoming huge odds.
Haha. Oh man. I love how you buy into the company line BS.
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:53 PM   #3
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Haha. Oh man. I love how you buy into the company line BS.
The company didn't tell me anything. I'm going by what ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

you're believing tabloid level "journalists" who thrive on making up BS to sell subscriptions.
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:01 PM   #4
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The company didn't tell me anything. I'm going by what ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

you're believing tabloid level "journalists" who thrive on making up BS to sell subscriptions.
I'm going by what Bryan himself said (but of course, it could be a smokescreen)

http://www.newsday.com/sports/pro-wr...reer-1.9811542
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:52 PM   #5
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Haha. Oh man. I love how you buy into the dirt sheet writer BS.

Yeah WWE accidentally built all their storylines to come together at the biggest show of the year with Bryan overcoming huge odds.
Well considering he got jobbed in the opener and wasn't even in the rumble it's not exactly a huge stretch. Pretty sure they've so much as admitted it wasn't i the cards, and I've heard Bautista confirm it I'm quite sure.
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:55 PM   #6
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Well considering he got jobbed in the opener and wasn't even in the rumble it's not exactly a huge stretch. Pretty sure they've so much as admitted it wasn't i the cards, and I've heard Bautista confirm it I'm quite sure.
He jobbed when now?

Confirm what exactly? The TV storyline that it was originally Bats vs Orton? That's called kayfabe.
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:03 PM   #7
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He jobbed when now?

Confirm what exactly? The TV storyline that it was originally Bats vs Orton? That's called kayfabe.
You are actually talking complete bullshit. I expect more from you. He jobbed to Bray Wyatt in the opener at the rumble. Bautista won the rumble and expected to face Orton (Bautista face, Orton Heel) at Mania. But the fans took a steaming dump on it because the fed botched Bautista's return, which if you watch the product (not follow the dirt sheets) they quite clearly did. He was getting booed when he was supposed to be a mega face returning after a long absence. Please dispute me on this, and tell me it's all kayfabe, without sounding like a complete blowhard. I dare you.

The product is lacking, there is no true steam behind it, and whenever there is any steam they are very quick to go back to the status quo as fast as possible. In saying that, the in ring product is pretty good, but with no meaning. They are clearly booking week to week, and the business itself is just too big for a guy like Vince to keep up with anymore, but he's the only game in town.
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Old 09-23-2015, 05:27 PM   #8
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You are actually talking complete bullshit. I expect more from you. He jobbed to Bray Wyatt in the opener at the rumble. Bautista won the rumble and expected to face Orton (Bautista face, Orton Heel) at Mania. But the fans took a steaming dump on it because the fed botched Bautista's return, which if you watch the product (not follow the dirt sheets) they quite clearly did. He was getting booed when he was supposed to be a mega face returning after a long absence. Please dispute me on this, and tell me it's all kayfabe, without sounding like a complete blowhard. I dare you.
Even Batista was pissed at how badly they botched his return to the point he wants nothing to do with the WWE in the near future. Mostly upset at being made into the scapegoat and having his image ruined a bit because of the WWE's ineptness.

WWE tried to pass it off as the whole thing being planned from the start in a Rolling Stones or Grantland interview but nobody believed it. Got ridiculed by the Observer I think for trying to imply any of what they said was true.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:21 PM   #9
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Even Batista was pissed at how badly they botched his return to the point he wants nothing to do with the WWE in the near future. Mostly upset at being made into the scapegoat and having his image ruined a bit because of the WWE's ineptness.

WWE tried to pass it off as the whole thing being planned from the start in a Rolling Stones or Grantland interview but nobody believed it. Got ridiculed by the Observer I think for trying to imply any of what they said was true.
So you think Grantland and Rolling Stones are less credible than the Observer? Perfect.

You're just picking and choosing who to believe. The reality showed that they had Bryan in the mix for Mania right from the start and followed through with it. Albeit maybe some elements of the overall story changed along the way, but the end game was always put Bryan on top and overcome the doubters and naysayers.

You PREFER to believe some musings of a con man who's whole business is predicated on telling half truths and making crap up to generate interest in his product. Its really hilarious how much you believe in him.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:27 PM   #10
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You PREFER to believe some musings of a con man who's whole business is predicated on telling half truths and making crap up to generate interest in his product. Its really hilarious how much you believe in him.
You just described everyone in the wrestling business. And I think if there's one thing that's clear, it's that people don't necessarily believe Dave Meltzer, he's just a fairly credible source comparitively.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:16 PM   #11
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You are actually talking complete bullshit. I expect more from you. He jobbed to Bray Wyatt in the opener at the rumble. Bautista won the rumble and expected to face Orton (Bautista face, Orton Heel) at Mania. But the fans took a steaming dump on it because the fed botched Bautista's return, which if you watch the product (not follow the dirt sheets) they quite clearly did. He was getting booed when he was supposed to be a mega face returning after a long absence. Please dispute me on this, and tell me it's all kayfabe, without sounding like a complete blowhard. I dare you.

The product is lacking, there is no true steam behind it, and whenever there is any steam they are very quick to go back to the status quo as fast as possible. In saying that, the in ring product is pretty good, but with no meaning. They are clearly booking week to week, and the business itself is just too big for a guy like Vince to keep up with anymore, but he's the only game in town.
WWE didnt both Dave's return, the fans just liked Bryan more, and wrongfully expected Bryan to return in the Rumble match. If WWE was so against Bryan, why keep him in main angles on TV, why not just push him down the card. He was working with HHH and Steph THE ENTIRE road to Mania. Clearly they were going somewhere with him, and clearly he was a central part of the storyline.

So why do you think WWE continues to be so successful if the product is so crap? Ever think maybe you're tastes are not aligned with the product, and you should just stop watching the product? So many people like you complain and complain, and yet you have a pretty vivid memory of every angle and match. Its like you're complaining because you think its the right thing to do. Surely if something annoyed you that much you would quit watching. Or maybe you just prefer being miserable.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:25 PM   #12
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WWE didnt both Dave's return, the fans just liked Bryan more, and wrongfully expected Bryan to return in the Rumble match. If WWE was so against Bryan, why keep him in main angles on TV, why not just push him down the card. He was working with HHH and Steph THE ENTIRE road to Mania. Clearly they were going somewhere with him, and clearly he was a central part of the storyline.

So why do you think WWE continues to be so successful if the product is so crap? Ever think maybe you're tastes are not aligned with the product, and you should just stop watching the product? So many people like you complain and complain, and yet you have a pretty vivid memory of every angle and match. Its like you're complaining because you think its the right thing to do. Surely if something annoyed you that much you would quit watching. Or maybe you just prefer being miserable.
I pick and choose what I watch on the internet, and do not contribute to their pay-per-views or raw ratings... largely because I'm a wrestling fan and not a WWE fan. If I see something is good, I make a point to find and watch. If I turn on RAW for 5 minutes, it's usually shit and I turn it off. And I don't prefer being miserable because I watch tons of wrestling still, and enjoy the fuck out of it.... it just happens to be matches from 2 decades ago for the most part which I'm lucky enough with todays technology to be able to watch.

The reason why the WWE is successful is the same reason the Simpsons is successful, resting on their laurels from back when the put forth a superior product, and surviving on being a brand more than a good product. WWE is the only real game in town, and their closest competition is TNA and let's not get into that mess.
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Old 09-24-2015, 09:33 AM   #13
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He was working with HHH and Steph THE ENTIRE road to Mania. Clearly they were going somewhere with him, and clearly he was a central part of the storyline.
No he was working with Bray Wyatt until WWE had to abort that feud.
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