NFL Draft thread

[AlphaBean]

Hahahahaha but think about it!

It's GREAT that he has a mouth. I hope he jaws at D-linemen when he's young...

That will be awesome.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Sorry, you just lost credibility there... There's a chance that QB may turn out, but won't be for a few years, everyone says he's immature and just listening to him, so far I agree. Plus they gave up to much to get him, if they wanted to go QB, they could have gone for a better QB. Friend of mine is a big bills fan, was happy when they traded back into the first, was pissed when the took that QB, he still would have been there in round #2 or possible later. I like the WR, but w/o line help, Bledsoe won't get the ball to them.

I have to disagree with you here. I've been a bills fan for a long time and followed this draft intently. They traded up to get Losman because Green Bay or St. Louis was going to get him. Think about it this way: They traded a 2nd and 5th this year and a 1st next year. They were going to need a QB next year so in a sense they gave up there 1st next year (which they would have used on a QB anyway in a much weaker class) and their 2nd and 5th are pretty much used on getting the qb they wanted and giving him a year's experiance under bledsoe learning buffalo's system. Pretty smart move if you ask me. As for Losman, he is extremely smart person, check out his wonderlic score, he scored quite well compared to the other qb's. As for his attitude, i think a qb needs a little ' i think i'm the best swagger' Dan Marino had it, Jim Kelly had it among many other's. Qb's need to be able to chew out their team mates when they f*ck up and also be man enough to take the blame for their own mistakes, that's what Losman brings to the table. Whether he pan's out or not, who know's, but i like him and think he will be really good IMO.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution I have to disagree with you here. I've been a bills fan for a long time and followed this draft intently. They traded up to get Losman because Green Bay or St. Louis was going to get him. Think about it this way: They traded a 2nd and 5th this year and a 1st next year. They were going to need a QB next year so in a sense they gave up there 1st next year (which they would have used on a QB anyway in a much weaker class) and their 2nd and 5th are pretty much used on getting the qb they wanted and giving him a year's experiance under bledsoe learning buffalo's system. Pretty smart move if you ask me. As for Losman, he is extremely smart person, check out his wonderlic score, he scored quite well compared to the other qb's. As for his attitude, i think a qb needs a little ' i think i'm the best swagger' Dan Marino had it, Jim Kelly had it among many other's. Qb's need to be able to chew out their team mates when they f*ck up and also be man enough to take the blame for their own mistakes, that's what Losman brings to the table. Whether he pan's out or not, who know's, but i like him and think he will be really good IMO.

Time will tell, but they could have gotten JP in round 2... and who knows, maybe he will be the next great QB... but from what I've read/seen... I don't think so.

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean At least the PACKERS are going downhill fast. Favre.

DIE

I dunno Im a fan of JP. He's hella confident. There's a line between confident and cocky and I think he is right on that line.

We'll see how he does.

[VonErich Lives]

Well, the Bills just redid Bledsoes contract, got rid of the roster bonus, but somehow made an agreement to last 2 years...

So, you gave up next years #1, and this years 2 & 5, for a guy who will probably sit on the bench for 2 years?

[AlphaBean]

Bledsoe can be productive and "ok" for years. You can trade for an established QB or work the free agency.

You can win a superbowl without a franchise QB, if your team is strong enough.

You know how you fail to gain strength? WASTING ****ING DRAFT PICKS.

Trading your picks for a QB you want to replace? Trading your star WR for a pick you waste on a backup QB? Trading what, three draft picks for a QB, when you could have focused on many other needs?

The Vikings spend low-round picks on HBs and build them up. They go for best talent available, and have had two amazing drafts in a row. They traded down for more picks and got massive depth.

Bills lost out on depth for a GAMBLE AT QB. If he's not a star who brings them to the SB in 5 years or less, then it's a waste. Because a 1st, 2nd and 5th rounder could fill THREE holes, when QB isn't even a hole!

Knah mean?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Bills picked up McGahee in the 1st round last year, that worked out well lol

Not to mention they already HAVE a RB...so they got out and waste their 1st round pick on a guy who didnt even play all season, and plays the same position as the best offensive player on the team

[AlphaBean]

They're talking trade. But seriously. WHY WORRY ABOUT A TRADE WHEN YOU CAN JUST DRAFT TALENT.

What the hell.

You traded Peerless Price so you could get McGahee.

You're going to trade Henry for what, 2nd round pick? To get what, a new WR when this year's one doesn't pan out?

Think about it -- if you drafted wisely last year, you wouldn't have to be drafting someone NEXT YEAR who will help the team the year AFTER that.

Losman is long-term. McGahee is long-term. Price was talent, Henry was talent, but meh.

Oh yeah, and Flutie was talent. :foc: Stupid Bills.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If Bledsoe has a good offensive line he could tear shit up..but when he has to create he sucks

I think the Bills should try to get the nastiest Oline possible, like put getting offensiveman above all else. Becuase if they don't have a really good OL they wont do shit with Bledsoe back there whether they got good WR or not

[AlphaBean]

Exactly.


They could have Bledsoe up to 5 years from now, and every sack he takes shortens his career. They don't care. And they keep getting new HBs, they don't care. No line means no rushing attack or QB protection, **** that.

You lose three picks next year to get Losman, when you could spend all three on offensive line and put Bledsoe in the pro bowl.

Three picks! UNEXCUSEABLE.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Well, the Bills just redid Bledsoes contract, got rid of the roster bonus, but somehow made an agreement to last 2 years... So, you gave up next years #1, and this years 2 & 5, for a guy who will probably sit on the bench for 2 years?

No different than on any other team. Cincy sat Palmer all last year, now he will get his chance. 9 times out of 10, young qb's will sit and learn the system before they get a chance to play. If nothing else, Losman will be a better backup than what Buffalo has now. A good backup qb is vital this day and age, it gives your team a chance to win if your starter gets hurt.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean They're talking trade. But seriously. WHY WORRY ABOUT A TRADE WHEN YOU CAN JUST DRAFT TALENT. What the hell. You traded Peerless Price so you could get McGahee. You're going to trade Henry for what, 2nd round pick? To get what, a new WR when this year's one doesn't pan out? Think about it -- if you drafted wisely last year, you wouldn't have to be drafting someone NEXT YEAR who will help the team the year AFTER that. Losman is long-term. McGahee is long-term. Price was talent, Henry was talent, but meh. Oh yeah, and Flutie was talent. :foc: Stupid Bills.

Who says who you draft will pan out anyway's? Look how many first round bust's their have been. As for Peerless Price, look what he did last year-NOTHING. He is nothing more than a 2nd or 3rd wide receiver. The only reason he did good in Buffalo was because Mould's was comanding double teams. As for trading Henry-Their are as many rumors that they could trade McGahee as their are for trading Henry. It's all speculation, if it happens they will get a 1st rounder for him. Look at them trading Peerless, they got a first rounder for him, and Henry has more more talent in his pinkie than Peerless has in his entire body. You talk about drafting wisely and making good moves, well than let's talk about your Vikes. They draft Udeze, who is reported to have a messed up shoulder, if you don't believe it, than why did a projected top 10 pick drop to 20? You knock Buffalo for drafting McGahee when it looks like Minnesoto did the same exact thing. The Vikes way overpaid for Antwain Winfield, i should know, i watched him play since his first game. The only thing he's got going for him is he's a good tackler. But you know what that means-He allows his receiver to catch the ball then makes the tackle. Look how many interceptions he had, not many. We can go all day on who made a good move and who didn't, but the bottom line is, no one can know what draft picks are going to pan out or if your teams make the right free-agent pickup. Like Chris Berman says "that's why they play the game".

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean Exactly. They could have Bledsoe up to 5 years from now, and every sack he takes shortens his career. They don't care. And they keep getting new HBs, they don't care. No line means no rushing attack or QB protection, **** that. You lose three picks next year to get Losman, when you could spend all three on offensive line and put Bledsoe in the pro bowl. Three picks! UNEXCUSEABLE.

Get your fact's straight, What new hb did we get? We drafted a kid who is a wr/hb way late in the draft. The Vikes are the ones who draft Rb's like their going out of style. How many more did you guys draft this year? I atleast remember a couple. Don't you already have Robert Smith, Onterio Smith and Moe Williams? Sounds like you should waste picks on more rb's . They have addressed their O-line. Mike Williams was hurt last year and he will be back, they signed Villarial and they let Rueban Brown go, who was extremly unproductive last year because of laziness.
And for you knowledge we gave up a 1st next year, not three picks next year, do you homework before you state things you can't back up with fact's.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution No different than on any other team. Cincy sat Palmer all last year, now he will get his chance. 9 times out of 10, young qb's will sit and learn the system before they get a chance to play. If nothing else, Losman will be a better backup than what Buffalo has now. A good backup qb is vital this day and age, it gives your team a chance to win if your starter gets hurt.

Ok, please re-read what I posted... "2years" Bledsoes deal is belived to keep him in Buffalo for 2 years, JP will sit for 2years...

They could do much better w/ their drafting. They need a line, bledsoe makes mistakes when he has to force things under pressure.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Who says who you draft will pan out anyway's? Look how many first round bust's their have been. As for Peerless Price, look what he did last year-NOTHING. He is nothing more than a 2nd or 3rd wide receiver. The only reason he did good in Buffalo was because Mould's was comanding double teams. As for trading Henry-Their are as many rumors that they could trade McGahee as their are for trading Henry. It's all speculation, if it happens they will get a 1st rounder for him. Look at them trading Peerless, they got a first rounder for him, and Henry has more more talent in his pinkie than Peerless has in his entire body. You talk about drafting wisely and making good moves, well than let's talk about your Vikes. They draft Udeze, who is reported to have a messed up shoulder, if you don't believe it, than why did a projected top 10 pick drop to 20? You knock Buffalo for drafting McGahee when it looks like Minnesoto did the same exact thing. The Vikes way overpaid for Antwain Winfield, i should know, i watched him play since his first game. The only thing he's got going for him is he's a good tackler. But you know what that means-He allows his receiver to catch the ball then makes the tackle. Look how many interceptions he had, not many. We can go all day on who made a good move and who didn't, but the bottom line is, no one can know what draft picks are going to pan out or if your teams make the right free-agent pickup. Like Chris Berman says "that's why they play the game".

Peerless Price was the only WR on the Falcons, and Vick was hurt all season. Last season meant nothing. How come Bills fans are bitter about anyone who left their team?

Henry will not bring a 1st-rounder, because he is injury-prone, and he can't hold onto the ball. 2nd rounder at best, and why draft and then trade McGahee? Especially if he doesn't pan out? You don't draft just to trade. Draft for need, seriously.

Udeze was a top 10 talent who has "questions" about his shoulder. They were answered first by DOCTORS who cleared him, but also by a VERY GOOD bench press proving that his shoulder is NOT serious. He can play, and his talent is not in his strength (which he has a lot of) but his speed on the corner, his technique, his mind, his hands. He is the total package, he will play, he will compete, he will contribute and he will do well. He is not a project. But remember WILL SMITH was the top DE taken, and that was at 18 -- which is one above where the Vikings would have taken Udeze. Wilfork fell below that and he had no shoulder issues. The shoulder thing is bullshit. They got him at 20! They drafted for need, for the future, and got the best player available. Think about this: There were what, 7 WRs taken in the first round? Most teams drafted horribly by reaching for receivers. The Vikings didn't do that, so they got the best player available. The Vikings drafted well and the Bills did not. Deal with it.

Antoine Winfield WHEN HIS CONTRACT IS AT ITS HIGHEST, in six years, will count for 2.8 million dollars against the cap. UNDER THREE MILLION and he was the top free agent available. We didn't overpay for shit. We paid more for Denard Walker who was a nickelback talent at best. Some teams have great personnell directors, and the Vikings are one of those teams. The Vikings have like 15 mil cap room left, and that's after Winfield counted for like 11 million of it. They will not regret signing Winfield -- they have had shitty D-backs for years, he can only be an improvement.

Interceptions? He played man-to-man his entire career. When you're a shutdown corner you don't get interceptions. Interceptions come from players who play off and get burned. Winfield never gets burned, so he never gets interceptions. All he does is shuts down half of the field. THAT IS ALL.

[Anglefan]

Alphabean, I find your posts insightful and enjoyable.

I also found the NFL draft enjoyable since 14 Ohio State players were drafted, breaking the record of 11 by Miami. Ohio State rules.

But the Browns were ridiculous for trading their second round pick to move up one spot when the team wasn't even going to ****ing take Winslow anyway. I wonder if he's related to Carl Winslow from Family Matters?

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Get your fact's straight, What new hb did we get? We drafted a kid who is a wr/hb way late in the draft. The Vikes are the ones who draft Rb's like their going out of style. How many more did you guys draft this year? I atleast remember a couple. Don't you already have Robert Smith, Onterio Smith and Moe Williams? Sounds like you should waste picks on more rb's . They have addressed their O-line. Mike Williams was hurt last year and he will be back, they signed Villarial and they let Rueban Brown go, who was extremly unproductive last year because of laziness. And for you knowledge we gave up a 1st next year, not three picks next year, do you homework before you state things you can't back up with fact's.

Get my facts straight? Don't be such a prick when you're obviously not that bright. I said you keep getting new HBs, like, you got McGahee when you already had a pro bowl HB in Henry. That was LAST YEAR, another year the Bills wasted in the draft. Before that, you wasted picks on Bledsoe -- why did I say you wasted him? Because you took away his #1 weapon and you won't invest in a line to protect him.

So I got one fact wrong: They gave up THREE PICKS OVERALL for Losman. Two of them this year, and a first-round next year. Do you feel vindicated? Does that make you feel better about yourself that you only lost your FIRST ROUND pick next year? You also didn't get help THIS year, and Bledsoe will not get any help NEXT year so he will get injured or whatever, then Losman will come in without any offensive line support and HE will end up being a bust. It's inevitable. Villarial? He was on the Bears. Think about that one for a minute -- the Bears. So I made a mistake on when the picks were gone, but the fact remains, and you need to remember this, the Buffalo Bills gave up THREE draft choices to get someone in the lower half of the first round.

Now think about THIS: Next year the Bills will have a top-10 pick, because they didn't get better in any regards. That pick will go to Dallas.

The Vikings have Michael Bennett and Moe Williams. Moe is a short-yardage back and a veteran leader. He's OLD. He will retire soon. Michael Bennett injured himself last year, and they knew he would be out. Moe couldn't be a feature back all season. So what did they do? Did they waste a 1st-round pick on a backup HB? No. They waited until the 4th-round to take a gamble on a halfback with question marks over his head. He panned out. He's now a very good player, and the Vikings have been lauded by all critics over their pick. Onterrio Smith played great for Bennett who wasn't around.

Mewelde Moore? I questioned that, sure. But then I realized something:

1) The Vikings drafted two linebackers in the draft, and two Defensive Ends. That's in the first four rounds.
2) They traded down to have a SECOND fourth-round pick, which means they had a free pick to spend any way they wanted. They didn't lose picks, they gained them.
3) They got the best pick available, and remember, he was a free pick since they got who they wanted despite trading down. Mewelde Moore was the top player on many people's boards at the time he was chosen.
4) The Vikings could have maybe picked up someone at another position, but let's think for a minute: Daunte Culpepper/Gus Frerotte. Randy Moss/ Marcus Robinson/Nate Burleson/Kelly Campbell/Did they release D'wayne Bates? I think so, but not sure. Mount McKinnie/Chris Liwienski/Matt Birk are all pro-bowl caliber Offensive Linemen. David Dixon is a stud but he's old, and Mike Rosenthal is OKAY. Ever watch Vikings games? Culpepper has like 10 minutes to throw the ball. They have protection, unlike the Bills. Chris Hovan/Kevin Williams/Kenechi Udeze/Kenny Mixon/Lance Johnstone/Darrion Scott(or whatever his name is) that's one of the top defensive lines in the NFL now. Chris Claiborne, EJ Henderson (A BRILLIANT pickup, 1st-round talent picked in the 2nd round), Nattiel/Crockett/the dude from Auburn. We need more help there, but there were no elite OLBs left at that point, ya see... Winfield, your boy , and Brian Williams, a big, strong, underrated shutdown corner. Then Ken Irvin and Eric Kelly in nickel and dime. Not the best CB corps, but you can't get a good Corner past the third round. Corey (Pro Bowl) Chavous, and Brian (6 straight games with INTs) Russell at Safety.

The Vikings can afford to take the best players available, because they can afford to look for depth. Why? Because they're looking to win a Superbowl, while the Bills are looking to rebuild. Again. Still. Whatever.

You're fun, because everything you say is so wrong that this isn't even hard to prove you wrong, it's just fun.

OH EXCEPT I GOT THE DRAFT PICKS WRONG, TWO THIS YEAR ONE NEXT YEAR, THREE OVERALL BUT NOT THREE NEXT YEAR SORRY

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by Anglefan Alphabean, I find your posts insightful and enjoyable. I also found the NFL draft enjoyable since 14 Ohio State players were drafted, breaking the record of 11 by Miami. Ohio State rules. But the Browns were ridiculous for trading their second round pick to move up one spot when the team wasn't even going to ****ing take Winslow anyway. I wonder if he's related to Carl Winslow from Family Matters?

Who the **** would draft a player represented by Poston anyway? Seriously. Winslow will hold out until he's making 40 million dollars a year. He will honestly not play a single game in the NFL until he's the highest-paid player IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. Geeze, Carl Poston is horrible.

Anyway, yeah giving up a HIGH second-rounder for him? That was hilarious. For a Tight End who wants 6th-overall money. What were they thinking? Carl Poston said that Winslow is the "LeBron James of the Cleveland Browns"

PS: Did you read that Ohio State would have had one player drafted from each of the 11 NFL-recognized positions if Clarett had become eligible? BRILLIANT!

Anyway, thanks for your comment, sir. I think you have dreamy eyes.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Anglefan I wonder if he's related to Carl Winslow from Family Matters?

Comedy's not your strong suit.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Comedy's not your strong suit.

You don't know the half of it

[Anglefan]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean Who the **** would draft a player represented by Poston anyway? Seriously. Winslow will hold out until he's making 40 million dollars a year. He will honestly not play a single game in the NFL until he's the highest-paid player IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. Geeze, Carl Poston is horrible. Anyway, yeah giving up a HIGH second-rounder for him? That was hilarious. For a Tight End who wants 6th-overall money. What were they thinking? Carl Poston said that Winslow is the "LeBron James of the Cleveland Browns" PS: Did you read that Ohio State would have had one player drafted from each of the 11 NFL-recognized positions if Clarett had become eligible? BRILLIANT! Anyway, thanks for your comment, sir. I think you have dreamy eyes.

Well, he is the LeBron James of the Browns since he's their best player, but I think they're trying to say he's the LeBron of the NFL, which is ridiculous. I'm not worried about the contract thing because it will be resolved eventually, but yeah, the agent seems really gay. On the other hand, he does deserve big money since he's a ****ING SOLDIER!

Wow, first Clarett costs us a second national title and now he costs us the honor of having a player for all the positions drafted. He's quite the bitch.

Originally Posted by PureHatred Comedy's not your strong suit.

I'm hilarious.

[AlphaBean]

I think that's the greatest quote of all time, btw. Winslow's quote.

That is when you take away the quotes that morons like Dennis Green and the 49ers Owner make...

[KingofOldSchool]

Originally Posted by Anglefan Well, he is the LeBron James of the Browns since he's their best player, but I think they're trying to say he's the LeBron of the NFL, which is ridiculous. I'm not worried about the contract thing because it will be resolved eventually, but yeah, the agent seems really gay. On the other hand, he does deserve big money since he's a ****ING SOLDIER!

William Green > Winslow

[Heyman]

Eli Manning and Carson Palmer will NOT (I repeat NOT) be Superstar quarterbacks in this league.

Take my words to the bank. Somebody - put my WORDS into their SIGNATURE, so that I can laugh at them 2-3 years from now

At best - both of these quarterbacks will be "good". Sorry Eli - you'll never be as good as Peyton.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool William Green > Winslow

ROFL

shut the fuck up

[Excellance of Execution]

Alphabean, we can sit here and argue back in forth, but i'm not going to waste my time. You say i'm not to bright, hey that's your opinion. I'm not going to sit here and name call because i don't agree with what you say. You have a right to your opinion as much as i do. To put it simply, i think it's dumb to say a team drafted poorly before the player's even step on the field. I watched Winfield his whole career in Buffalo and to say he is a 'shut down corner' is absurd. He is good, don't get me wrong, but he is not that good. Will he help the Vikes, yes. I'm just stating that i think you guys paid to much. I'm much more happier with Troy Vincent for the money that we spent. I'm predicting right now that Buffalo will do better the the Vikings this year.

[AlphaBean]

lol, now there's a prediction.

Vincent is old and will get injured. And like I said, Winfield was pretty cheap for the money, when you think about it. A good, young corner? As I said, Denard Walker is like 30 and we paid more for him than for Winfield. We came out of this deal smelling like roses, since we'll have him for a while, and he will benefit from having an amazing front line who will force the QB into bad decisions, and quick throws. That's what shutdown corners thrive on.

When your defense is porous like the Vikings' was, and having a shit line like the Bills have now, you're not going to have good Corners. Plays develop when there's no QB pressure. Troy Vincent had an amazing blitzing defense in Philly and it made him a million times better. We'll see which Corner is better this year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Vikings need a team leader or something, all the talent in the world is great but they never end up doing any noteworthy at the end of the season.

I don't understand it but its like none of them can "step it up" when it really counts. They have pretty decent talent on that team. Moss, Culpepper, and Hovan among others. I think they need to started ralling around Hovan..that guy is a crazy mother****er

[AlphaBean]

Hovan is crazy. Biekert was the defensive leader, but he's retiring, so yeah who's left? There's not a lot of defensive discipline. Do you know anything about Ted Cottrell? Former Jets D guy, don't know if he's any good at instilling discipline, but whatever.

Basically, Vikings do need leadership. That's what coaching usually is. Teams rarely have a guy so great they can rally around him, they just have talented players who raise the level of play for their teammates by going out and working hard. The Vikings' leader is Moss, and he usually comes out of each season limping. Pep isn't mature enough to be a leader, and Tice is still learning.

I don't honestly know what they can do for a team leader. And Hovan, while crazy, doesn't strike me as a Ray Lewis type... but he's probably the closest thing we've got, eh?

I wonder if the Browns get that with Winslow. He's a ****ing soldier after all.