NFL Draft thread

[Crimson]

It's next week. So who will go #1? I don't think the Chargers should trade the pick away and pass up on Eli.

Well here's how I see the 1st 10 picks.

1. SD- Eli Manning
2. Oak- Larry Fitzgerald
3. Arz- Ben Roethlisberger
4. NYG- Robert Gallery
5. Wash- Sean Taylor
6. Det- Steven Jackson
7. Cle- Kellen Winslow
8. Atl- Roy Williams
9. Jax- Mike Williams
10. Hou- Kenechi Udeze

There will probably be some trades on the way so it should be interesting.

[VonErich Lives]

I don't think SD takes another QB.. but could be wrong.

I think Detriot trades down and I wouldn't be suprised if Washington goes after a WR, but Sean Taylor would be the smart pick.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea Lions are going to trade down and get Steven Jackson

I really wanted the Patriots to get him too

[Boomer]

Get ready for some major surprises though, cus noone is very sure about what is going to happen. Like Atlanta could use a guy like Roy Williams, but there are tons of other things that we could easily use.

It's gonna be fun to watch

[Crimson]

In some pretty big news, the court ruled Clarett, AND Mike Williams among other underclasmen ineligible for thr draft . They shoulda jus let this be , and rule out the underclassmen next year ,this was supposed to be the deepest WR draft damnit.

I was also hoping Dallas could grab Clarett.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives I don't think SD takes another QB.. but could be wrong. I think Detriot trades down and I wouldn't be suprised if Washington goes after a WR, but Sean Taylor would be the smart pick.

Former Pro Bowl TE Byron Chamberlain released by the Redskins?

With a move like that, I smell Winslow...

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I am hearing Winslow would be the perfect "H-Back" or whatever for Joe Gibbs offense...I dunno tho I don't really know too much about what Gibbs runs so maybe I heard that wrong.

It looks like the Lions will probably trade their 6th overrall pick. The Lions could probably drop atleast 10 picks and still get Steven Jackson (Unless the Cowboys move up and try to nab him..they don't need to worry about the Pats anymore since they got Dillon) Also a lot of teams will be after either Winslow or Taylor (one will most likely still be on the board at 6) so Detroit will probably get more then a few offers for that pick.

Also I am hearing the Cards aren't going to draft a QB...they really want Fitzgerald I guess but it will be intresting to see if they are able to get him. If they are they will have a crazy trio of young WRs

Kinda surprised the Raiders aren't going after a QB...Gannon is about 200 years old but I guess they are putting their stock in that guy from UW that they drafted a few years ago

[AlphaBean]

Tuiasosopo?

Anyway, Gibbs runs an old-fashioned run-heavy offense, which is why theyre looking to upgrade their line and get a good TE. They tried HARD to get Jimmy Kleinsasser if you recall, who is the best blocking TE in the NFL and a prototypical H-Back as he plays both TE and FB from time to time...

Winslow won't be that, necessarily, but he will tear the middle of the field to SHREDS. I see him more as a Gonzales type, but he seems to have a Shockey attitude...

If I was the Lions, I would get a good HB in the 2nd round and get Sean Taylor. With their secondary, it's a must. All the experts said that Jackson is good but not great.

I'm interested to see where Wilfork ends up. I hope he drpos to the Vikings. That would be SWELL. Nah, they're looking to keep K-Dub at NT which is stupid. He's a lot better at end, and he's very awesome at pass-rushing.

Anyway... Manning should go first because hype overcomes all else in the draft. Whether the Chargers do it or not, remains to be seen... but I think they'll keep it. The initial report was that they passed on Vick, and they missed out on Peyton, so they need to do it right this time, not get the #2 QB, not get something else, but do what is best for the franchise, both for wins but for image. Eli is a big big name and people will get his jersey. Nobody will get a Robert Gallery jersey, even though he's possibly the best player in the draft. Taylor, eh, we'll see. There's a lot to be said about Iowegian corn-fed mother****ers. When you get a hoss like that, you know he will dominate.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yea I heard two things about Winslow...both from watching ESPN I think. One guy thought he wouldn't be a good fit because in Gibbs offense its more like the TE blocks a lot and catches balls sometimes. He thought that Wilson would be better off in a system where the TE caughtest balls 1st and blocks second.

I DUNNO THO then like 2 days later I heard a diffferent guy say he would be a perfect fit the "H-Back" spot...I don't really know too much about the H-Back stuff tho

[The Outlaw]

Being reported that Eli and Archie are both against him playing at SD

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I would be too...Chargers have no type of future, while teams like Oakland and NY Giants obviously do

He doesn't need to worry about the Cardinals since Denny Green has already said he is not going to draft a QB.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah the Cardinals are going to be nastttty if they get Fitz

[PureHatred]

Well, its official. The Supreme Court turned down Clarett's request for a stay. So he and Mike Williams of USC are out of the Draft. Not really surprised, although I think it sucks for Williams who would've had an awesome year at USC.

It looks more and more like Manning is going to end up in NY and that San Diego is going to end up drafting Robert Gallery. Whatever...I just hope the Cowboys end up with a decent RB. Jones from VA Tech or Perry from Michigan.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Williams can't go back to USC...right?

[PureHatred]

The university would have to file an appeal with the NCAA. And Williams would have to give back anything (money, car, etc) he got while he had an agent. So its possible, but this has never happened before. Considering the NFL told Williams it was OK to enter the draft, I think he has a shot.

[MoRcHeEbA]

I heard Mike Williams got put on Winnipeg's negotiation list meaning if he wants to play in canada this year the bombers get the first shot at him Clarrett would have to play for montreal... They suck anyways though

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 Yea I heard two things about Winslow...both from watching ESPN I think. One guy thought he wouldn't be a good fit because in Gibbs offense its more like the TE blocks a lot and catches balls sometimes. He thought that Wilson would be better off in a system where the TE caughtest balls 1st and blocks second. I DUNNO THO then like 2 days later I heard a diffferent guy say he would be a perfect fit the "H-Back" spot...I don't really know too much about the H-Back stuff tho

When you're in a Gibbs system, which the Vikings have, you will want an H-back and a prototypical TE. Like, Mark Bruener or Jimmy Kleinsasser or Hunter Goodwin are all really great blocking TEs, so you get the pass catcher, i.e. BYRON CHAMBERLAIN, who was the pimp in MN two years ago. Then he got penalized, allowing Hunter Goodwin to start in Kleinsasser's spot, and putting Kleinsasser as the H-back, which worked out well. Kleinsasser has very soft hands and can run like a truck after the catch.

So the H-back will sometimes motion into the fullback or singleback slot, and the TE will remain blocking, I think. That is in a 2-TE set, which the Vikings STOLE from Gibbs.

Anyway yeah I'm looking at Gallery being #1, that's who my heart is telling me.

And Fitzgerald will be cool with Fatdumb in Arizona. I mean, one comes from Minnesota, the other used to coach us out of the Playoffs every year... it's a match made in heaven.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by PureHatred The university would have to file an appeal with the NCAA. And Williams would have to give back anything (money, car, etc) he got while he had an agent. So its possible, but this has never happened before. Considering the NFL told Williams it was OK to enter the draft, I think he has a shot.

That better ****ing happen.

And if it does, look to Mike Williams being top 5.

[VonErich Lives]

I'd like to see Williams go back for another year, but can't blame him if he plays a year in Canada.

Archie Mannings and idiot... I hope SD drafts Eli and just let him sit and rot... they wont...

WTF, SD has a great RB and some good players, he could help build the team... instead looks like a Giant... Hope he gets a Thiesman injury... Sorry, you go where your drafted... Hopefully he bitch slaps his old man.

[MoRcHeEbA]

lol, it's like Jerry Mcguire

[MoRcHeEbA]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives I'd like to see Williams go back for another year, but can't blame him if he plays a year in Canada. Archie Mannings and idiot... I hope SD drafts Eli and just let him sit and rot... they wont... WTF, SD has a great RB and some good players, he could help build the team... instead looks like a Giant... Hope he gets a Thiesman injury... Sorry, you go where your drafted... Hopefully he bitch slaps his old man.

I agree, people should always finish school, but if it's more hassle then it's worth I could understand coming to canada for a year.. I mean Williams is going to be a great reciever in the NFL, and the CFL can get him ready for the "real" football type deal. Plus I'll get to meet him in the bar

If I were san diego unless I got some amazing deal I wouldn't be passing on Manning.

[PureHatred]

The CFL isn't "real" football. The game is too different. If he doesn't get a chance to return to school (NCAA's are way closer to NFL football than anything else) than he should sit out a year stay in shape and not risk the injury.

Clarett is the one in bad shape. His stock as an NFL prospect was already lousy. His work-outs have been mediocre. He's already taken one year off from playing football because of his problems at OSO. Basically, this was a guy projected as a third rounder at best and now he's looking at another year w/o playing football...he needs to sign with the CFL just to show teams he's got the desire to play.

[Crimson]

I think Williams will be allowed back at USC. He'll be a sure top 3 pick next year .

It sucks for the Chargers that Eli is threatning to sit out the year if they draft him,players should just go out, get drafted, deal with it and play football. It affects them so much that now they probably won't be able to trade the pick to the Giants because they know SD won't draft Eli. And the Raiders and Cards say they won't take a QB. At least if this was kept on the downlow the Chargers could threaten to pick him and make trade offers. So they should probably draft Fitzgerald I think, and the Raiders are stupid if they don't take Manning.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Manning is pulling an Elway

[The Outlaw]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives I'd like to see Williams go back for another year, but can't blame him if he plays a year in Canada. Archie Mannings and idiot... I hope SD drafts Eli and just let him sit and rot... they wont... WTF, SD has a great RB and some good players, he could help build the team... instead looks like a Giant... Hope he gets a Thiesman injury... Sorry, you go where your drafted... Hopefully he bitch slaps his old man.

Well I mean Im just guessing here but I guess they dont want him to become another Drew Brees

A team that has no O-Line = a quarterback's worst nightmare my friend

[The Outlaw]

Also it's being said that IF SD drafts him he will sit out a year

[AlphaBean]

If Eli has discipline problems, WHO THE **** wants to play for Marty Schottenheimer?

Which is funny that they're actually going to prefer playing for TOM CAUGHLIN.

Try getting on the Cards, Eli. Denny loves his skill positions.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA I agree, people should always finish school, but if it's more hassle then it's worth I could understand coming to canada for a year.. I mean Williams is going to be a great reciever in the NFL, and the CFL can get him ready for the "real" football type deal. Plus I'll get to meet him in the bar If I were san diego unless I got some amazing deal I wouldn't be passing on Manning.

I think I'd go back to school (if allowed) yes, he risks injury and no money, on the otherhand, he wont make much in Canada (I don't know the pay scale, but I don't think it's huge?) and he still risks injury, but also will play against possible better players... I dunno... it's a marketing v. money standpoint.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Who is to say he would even want to play in Canada?

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean If Eli has discipline problems, WHO THE **** wants to play for Marty Schottenheimer? Which is funny that they're actually going to prefer playing for TOM CAUGHLIN. Try getting on the Cards, Eli. Denny loves his skill positions.

Thats an interesting point... I can't see Caughlin drafting him now, not w/ this going on...

So, let's say SD doesn't take him... they either go WR and give Brees a target or go OL to protect him and now say Cauglin doesn't want him... How far does he drop? Green claims he wont take a QB in round #1... could Parcells maybe know his old man and take a shot? or SF? what if he makes it to Buffalo... think he wants to go to a place where he'll sit on the bench for a year...

[The Icon of Elisim]

I would bet that Manning would go to Oakland if San Diego passed up on him

[PureHatred]

Well, if you believe ESPN & Kiper, Manning isn't even the top QB on a lot of teams' boards. So if San Diego doesn't take Eli, the Giants probably won't have to move to get 'their guy.' It would probably go Gallery, Roy Williams to Oakland, Fitzgerald to AZ, then Manning to the Giants.

[AlphaBean]

I want to see Fitzgerald in a Raiders uniform, just to piss in the Cardinals and Denny's cheerios.

I want to see lots of swerves. Like, Winslow goes first. I would love to see the Lions blow the 6th pick on a HB. I want to see lots of overrated CBs taken in the top 20 so the Vikings can get an elite end or nosetackle.

I also want the Giants to pick a great big bust at QB, so that they watch Collins win on another team while their QB ****s them in the ass like Chris Wienke.

[OssMan]

I wanna see Lesnar get drafted.

[Crimson]

Lol


"With the number one pick in the 2004 NFL draft, the San Diego Chargers select... Brock Lesnar out of the university of Minnesota!"

Crowd= You tapped out!! You tapped out!
Boomer and ESPN guys=

[The Icon of Elisim]

So whats the start time for this?

[PureHatred]

Tomorrow Noon EST

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

[PureHatred]

Every year there is so much interest in QB's. I don't think any of the known QB's in this draft - Manning, Rivers, Rothlesberger (sp?) - are going to be anything special. When people look back on this draft the impact players are going to be guys like Sean Taylor, Robert Gallery, Kellen Winslow, and one of these wideouts.

This years QB's are overrated.

[AlphaBean]

Roy and Fitzgerald are both going to be amazing... at least I hope so. I love them both.

And WILFORK will dominate once he gets his act together. Hopefully that will be soon.