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Old 08-06-2006, 04:11 PM   #1
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Batting Average
Hafner: .306
Thome: .298
Ortiz: .291

On Base Percentage
Hafner: .430
Thome: .416
Ortiz: .395

Slugging Percentage
Hafner: .641
Thome: .627
Ortiz: .627

On Base + Slugging Percentage
Hafner: 1.071
Thome: 1.044
Ortiz: 1.022

Doubles:
Hafner: 24
Ortiz: 21
Thome: 15

Strikeouts:
Hafner: 89
Ortiz: 90
Thome: 105

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Therefore, based only on individual batting statistics that are minimally affected by teammates, Travis Hafner is overwhelmingly the best hitter in the American League this season.

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Runs Batted In
Ortiz: 108
Hafner: 94
Thome: 83

Runs:
Oritz: 83
Hafner: 81
Thome: 81

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The statistics that are directly correlated to teammates, and also the ones that are probably most noteworthy among MVP voters, are very, very even among the three.

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Average
White Sox: .286
Red Sox: .283
Indians: .283

Runs Batted In
White Sox: 597
Red Sox: 575
Indians: 568

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These stats, as well as most others, show that offensively speaking, both the Red Sox and the White Sox have a better all-around offense.

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So, is there any other reason why Hafner should not be the unanimous MVP other than the fact that his team is not in contention?
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Old 08-06-2006, 04:14 PM   #3
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Yeah, he's not David Ortiz
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Old 08-06-2006, 04:49 PM   #4
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Fuck, give the MVP to Wilson Betemit.
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I find the MVP a bit confusing tbh, its supposed to be the most valuable player but i dunno. For example:

One season Manny Ramirez has a monster year: 50 HR, 150 RBI, .340 BA etc, Red Sox win the AL east by a good 10 games...

BUT the line-up is fantastic from 1-9, defensively they're solid, the pitching staff is fantastic, great rotation and bullpen. In otherwords they've had the total package and probably would've been right up there contending with another outfielder instead of Manny.


Vernon Wells goes 40 HR, 120 RBI, .320 and does a gold-glove job in Center. The team is solid, they've had a few problems getting reliable 4th and 5th starters and their usual #2 and #5 guys have been injured for most of the season. The Jays end up about 11 games back of Boston and just get edged out of the wildcard on the last day.

Who gets the MVP?

I obviously say Wells, but Manny would get it purely for the massive numbers and 1st place finish.
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Old 08-06-2006, 05:07 PM   #6
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Batting Average
Hafner: .306
Thome: .298
Ortiz: .291

On Base Percentage
Hafner: .430
Thome: .416
Ortiz: .395

Slugging Percentage
Hafner: .641
Thome: .627
Ortiz: .627

On Base + Slugging Percentage
Hafner: 1.071
Thome: 1.044
Ortiz: 1.022

Doubles:
Hafner: 24
Ortiz: 21
Thome: 15

Strikeouts:
Hafner: 89
Ortiz: 90
Thome: 105

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Therefore, based only on individual batting statistics that are minimally affected by teammates, Travis Hafner is overwhelmingly the best hitter in the American League this season.

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Runs Batted In
Ortiz: 108
Hafner: 94
Thome: 83

Runs:
Oritz: 83
Hafner: 81
Thome: 81

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The statistics that are directly correlated to teammates, and also the ones that are probably most noteworthy among MVP voters, are very, very even among the three.

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Average
White Sox: .286
Red Sox: .283
Indians: .283

Runs Batted In
White Sox: 597
Red Sox: 575
Indians: 568

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These stats, as well as most others, show that offensively speaking, both the Red Sox and the White Sox have a better all-around offense.

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So, is there any other reason why Hafner should not be the unanimous MVP other than the fact that his team is not in contention?
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Old 08-06-2006, 05:49 PM   #7
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Hafner just doesn't get the love that Ortiz does, despite being better. It's not fair, but I feel like Ortiz is almost a lock for AL MVP.
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Hafner is also on one of the worst teams in the AL.

Also, 2 game lead Jaret Wright produced the goods tonight, 6 IP only 1 ER
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Old 08-06-2006, 07:52 PM   #9
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Then they bring up Jeter, who they play off, and finish off with...

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His numbers are just so dominant.
That's the whole point. Unless home runs is the only stat that matters, Ortiz is not far and away the most dominant player in the league.
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I'm so sick of all this clutch hitter bullshit. If there was EVER a clutch hitter it was Mark Grace.

If you take his WinEx number (win expectation): 5.56 and subtract from that the Leveraged MLV (Marginal Lineup Value) Wins: 1.79, you get a "clutch" score of 3.77

Meaning that, over his career, he accounted for almost 4 more wins per season for his team. All just by being able to hit in the late innings.

There... "clutch" by the numbers.
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Comeback Player of the Year candidates are:

AL
Magglio Ordonez - Tigers
Frank Thomas - A's
Jim Thome - White Sox
Curt Schilling - Red Sox
Corey Patterson - Orioles
Rafael Soriano - Mariners

NL
Nomar Garciaparra - Dodgers
Johnny Estrada - Diamondbacks
Carlos Beltran - Mets
Scott Rolen - Cardinals
Joe Borowski - Marlins
Edgar Renteria - Braves
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:09 PM   #16
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Ortiz will win the MVP this year primarily because of the fact he lost it last year. Oh and his numbers are awesome again.
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D'Backs get:
SP Livan Hernandez

Nats get:
RHP Garrett Mock (AA)
LHP Matt Chico (AA)
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Mr Wadding, could you post some info or stats on these two prospects?
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Mr Wadding, could you post some info or stats on these two prospects?
Mock, a 23-year-old righthander, was a third-round pick out of Houston in 2004. He has more than enough stuff, starting with a 91-95 mph four-seam fastball and an 88-92 mph cutter. He also throws a slider, curveball and changeup. For all his stuff, Mock has been hittable as a pro because he leaves too many pitches over the plate. Working at Double-A Tennessee this year, he has gone 4-8, 4.95 in 23 starts. He has a 117-50 K-BB ratio, .280 opponent average and 14 homers allowed in 131 innings.

His WHIP is 1.48.

Chico, a 23-year-old lefty, was a third-rounder after flunking out of Palomar (Calif.) JC in 2003. After bombing in Double-A last year, he has bounced back with a strong 2006. In 23 starts between high Class A Lancaster and Tennessee, he has gone 10-6, 2.81. He also has a 112-32 K-BB ratio in 131 innings and has held hitters to a .222 average and 11 homers. Chico can hit 94 mph on the radar gun but pitches better in the low 90s. He also throws an average curveball and a changeup.

1.09 WHIP.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...ws/262123.html
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Hernandez is a bit of a workhorse (by today's standards) if nothing else
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Dunno much about the Comeback award but if its fan voting Beltran will probably win.

Gotta question the Renteria nomination though. Any asshole can suck in Boston and then do great in the NL
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I never knew that MLB nominates people. That is kind of fucked up in my opinion, just like "Hey Edgar, you sucked last year for no reason, but now you're doing fine." Like it is one thing for a guy like Nomar, because he is coming back from an injury plagues two years, not a bad season. And like Jason Giambi, how they would nominate him? WTF
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Well atleast I saw one win in person, also fucking Javy Lopez hitting into a double play to end the game with the bases loaded = Could have very easily been a sweep but instead Red Sox walk out with only 1 win in 3 games. Pretty bad.

It was cowbell night on Friday and only way you could get one for free was if you had a Tampa Bay shirt on. I thought it was a pretty cool idea at first since they where trying to counter all the Red Sox fans there but it got pretty annoying after like 3 innings. I had a pretty good time there, it can't even touch Fenway atmosphere wise but I thought it was still pretty good. Watching the game in the dome looks lot better than it does on TV as well, so that was good. Got to sit in seats that would be 80 bucks in Fenway for 35, can't really complain.

BCWWF you were so wrong about not wanting to witness a game there, it was pretty nice. Plus I don't really blame them for having a dome now, it rained everyday for like an hour. That'd probably get pretty annoying have 1 hour rain delays like every single game.
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Wow that pic got all stretched out but that was my reaction after seeing Javy Lopez ground out

Also, everyone loved my shirt. Another thing that Tropicana needs, bootleggers outside of the stadium selling slander t-shirts.
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Lol a few people had cowbells when I was there a couple of weeks ago, wondered why. And yeah, it does look 10 times better there live.
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Thome and Beltran for me. If Nomahhhh managed to stay off the DL I think I'd give it to him over Beltran but yeah. Beltran deserves it after rebounding off of a Reggie Sanders type of season.
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Old 08-07-2006, 07:11 PM   #32
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOO This is the only part of the vaction I am gonna admit to actaully happening

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Really, I want to say that they are lucky, that they get the breaks, that they are going to break down, that the loss was because of our mistakes, but I just can't. Everytime we lose to the Tigers, I have to acknowledge that they are one helluva good baseball team. Taking more than one game against Detroit is nearly impossible. I can't even say these things about the White Sox of last year, I really don't think they were as good.
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Kent is back!! 10 in a row baby. You know how we do.
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Looks like Liriano might be out for a while. That delivery was bound to mess him up at some point. Now Matt Garza, who started the year in A, is our hope for another decent pitcher.
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