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Old 09-12-2006, 09:12 AM   #3041
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Chris Carpenter for NL Cy Young?
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Old 09-12-2006, 11:03 AM   #3042
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I'd go with Carpenter for NL Cy Young. He's the best pitcher in a terrible pitching league. The only competition I think he has is Zambrano and Webb, but he is better than both of them.
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He's been completely lights out recently. I think its gotta be between him and Webb
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:08 PM   #3044
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Nice, Matsui back in the lineup tonight. Has two hits in the 3rd inning already.

Stacked lineup as well.
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Solid return, 4-4 with an RBI and a walk
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Why is Abreu getting 6 RBIs in the 1st breaking news on ESPN.com?
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Mets getting smacked around by the Fish again

Imagine if they were to stay red hot, make the WS, and win it?

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There would most likely not be another Marlins fire sale after this WS if it were to happen.
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I'd go with Carpenter for NL Cy Young. He's the best pitcher in a terrible pitching league. The only competition I think he has is Zambrano and Webb, but he is better than both of them.

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Old 09-12-2006, 11:40 PM   #3050
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Wow, the Twins are on fire. This is the kind of shit the White Sox had last year, where the hitting is SOOO timely. It's nice to have the luck on our side this time.

It's a good thing that the Yankees had a win though, because there isn't a big wildcard/division race going on right now or anything.
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Fuck me what happened to Octavio Dotel?
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Well, he has only pitched about 6 innings since the month he's been back, so hes bound to not be sharp.
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Still, getting roughed up by the D-Rays is generally not easy
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Good to see Mussina doing well though, again its against the D-Rays but he's been great all year regardless of the opponents so its definitely a plus going into the post season.
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Old 09-13-2006, 02:14 PM   #3055
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Liriano only made it through 3 in his first start off the DL. Had to leave due to elbow pain. NOT a good sign for the Twinkies.
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Wow, the Twins are on fire.
No offense, but I wouldnt mind at all if a few teams came and cooled their fire for about, oh i dunno, 17 GAMES, while Detroit catches fire once again and gets their AL Central lead back to something respectable like around 10-12 games would be nice.
 
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Come on A's, take 1 from em.
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Sucks about Liriano, they're talking about Tommy John surgery.
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Old 09-13-2006, 06:51 PM   #3060
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Also, if Webb finishes strong I think he'll win it. It'll probably come down to who has more wins between he and Carpenter.
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Old 09-13-2006, 08:31 PM   #3061
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Yeah that is disappointing about Liriano. Huge game by Freddie Garcia today though, if the White Sox can get into the playoffs, they clearly have the most talented pitchers IMO. It's just the matter of getting into top form again.
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Other than Contreras and Garcia who is that talented? Buehrle maybe? Garland is clearly a crap pitcher who had one fluke year and Vazquez is an NL pitcher. On a talent standpoint, I like the A's now that Liriano is out for the Twins. But only if Harden is healthy (he's expected to make 1-2 starts before playoffs), Zito/Haren/Blanton/Loaiza isn't that great.

Contreras > Zito
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Old 09-13-2006, 11:55 PM   #3063
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I don't think you are giving Buehrle enough credit, and I thought Garland was a fluke too, but he has been pretty respectable again this year.
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I dunno, I am kind of following the trend of mainstream media and not really giving the A's much of a chance, but I am not really sure why. Their pitching has made up for offense all year.
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Garland was a fluke? His numbers this year look pretty respectable to me:

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Garland and Contreras have been CWS best this year, Garland's been pretty great in recent starts
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Garland's stats (minus the W-L) are nearly identical to Gil Meche. Has he had a respectable year?
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Garland's ERA is perfectly respectable, his WL stats are very good because he's on the second highest scoring team in the AL
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And Meche plays for the Mariners
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Garland is a #4 pitcher. Find me some #1, #2, or #3 pitchers with half as many strikeouts as innings. You don't have to strikeout guys to be a good pitcher, but ALL great pitchers strike guys out. Garland has never struck guys out, even in Fluke-Season-Hall-of-Fame candidate 2005, and that's why he never has been and never will be a great pitcher. Giving up less than 374634590 hits every year would help too.

And plus, he has zero saves, he doesn't help his team win as much as say, Bobby Jenks. But, he has 20-win potential.
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I would put Chien-Ming Wang as a good #3 (decent #2). He certainly has been the #2 on the Yankees staff this year and he only has 65 SO while 200 IP. He goes deep into games most of the time and limits his pitch count with the fact that he doesn't strike many people out and gets the double play balls a lot. I would take him as a #2 or #3 on my team anyday even without getting the strike-outs.
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Let's wait till Wang has more than one good season. I doubt he can have a ERA in the mid 3's over the next 5 or so years if he continues to strikeout so few.
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The only thing impressive about Garland is his wins.
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PHOENIX -- In what became the Arizona Diamondbacks' signature moment, Luis Gonzalez joyfully hopped down the first-base line and into the hearts of Valley sports fans.
Gonzalez produced the most memorable moment in the nine-year-old team's history -- the bloop single off New York Yankees closer Mariano Rivera in the ninth inning of Game 7 that drove in the winning run in the 2001 World Series. It remains the state's only major sports championship.
Throw in his career batting statistics -- he's the team's all-time leader in hits (1,325), home runs (224) and RBI (772) -- and it's easy to see why Gonzalez became the club's most popular player.
But that's why it was so difficult for the club to say goodbye Thursday. During a breakfast meeting on a day off for the team, the Diamondbacks told the 39-year-old left fielder they will not bring him back for a ninth season in 2007.
Then they called a somber Chase Field news conference to break the news to everyone else.
"Obviously, this is a very difficult day for the organization," general manager Josh Byrnes said. "Gonzo's done about everything you can in this market as a player and as a person.
"Change isn't easy, but we feel very good about the cast that will continue to wear the uniform," Byrnes said.
Byrnes said Eric Byrnes, who has played center field this year, would become the club's everyday left fielder next season. Chris Young, who was recently promoted from Triple-A Tucson, will take over in center. Another rookie, Carlos Quentin, is penciled in for right field.
The club had not been expected to exercise its $10 million option on Gonzalez for 2007. But Gonzalez had said he would be open to discussing a new contract that would allow him to return for a ninth season in Arizona, even at a reduced price.
"I want to stay here," Gonzalez said this week. "There's no secret about that. I don't have any control over it."
Team officials said Gonzalez approached the club recently and asked if a decision could be made soon so he could begin saying goodbyes if he weren't in the team's plans. Managing partner Jeff Moorad, a former player agent who negotiated Gonzalez' present contract, said the club respected Gonzalez' wishes.
"I think more than anything, Gonzo desired clarity," Moorad said. "Would it have been our preference to wait until the end of the season? Of course. I think there was a legitimate need for clarification. We didn't want to play games or mislead our fan base or Luis.
"We'll miss Luis more than we can really express in words," Moorad said.
Gonzalez is expected to speak to reporters before Friday night's home game against Colorado.
The Diamondbacks have seven home games remaining, beginning with a three-game weekend series against Colorado Friday through Sunday. The team finishes the regular season with four games against San Diego Sept. 28-Oct. 1.
Though Gonzalez had held out hope that a new deal could be reached, team officials said they declined to open negotiations.
"This isn't a financial decision," Moorad said. "This is a decision about the long-term success of our ballclub."
Neither Moorad nor Byrnes would describe Gonzalez's reaction to the news. But Moorad said the organization asked Gonzalez to consider taking a position in the broadcast booth or in a coaching capacity after he retires.
"It's not an easy thing to end a relationship," Moorad said. "We made it clear to Luis this morning that there would be nothing better, in our view, than to have him come back to us at the end of his playing career, whenever that might be, and to be part of our organization for the long term, whether it's in the broadcast booth or whether it's on the field in some capacity."
The Diamondbacks acquired Gonzalez from Detroit after their debut season in 1998, and he went on to become the franchise leader in every major batting category. He hit 57 homers with 142 RBI in 2001.
Gonzalez is batting .277 with 15 home runs and 71 RBI this year.
On Tuesday night, Gonzalez became the oldest player in baseball history to hit 50 doubles in a season. He has 545 career doubles, 20th on the all-time list. Gonzalez has received a standing ovation after each milestone double at home this year.
Club officials know many fans won't be happy with the decision. But they hope fans will accept the team's long-range plan even as they're saying goodbye to a favorite player.
"This wasn't easy," Byrnes said. "Looking at a player of this magnitude, and how and when he parts ways with a franchise, there aren't many stories of a smooth transition."
Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

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Let's wait till Wang has more than one good season. I doubt he can have a ERA in the mid 3's over the next 5 or so years if he continues to strikeout so few.
I have to agree here. It would be fine if he didn't strikeout a ton, but he has to strikeout much more than he has. (65 in 200 innings) It cuts both ways, if he continues like that with no change he could continue to be good, or he could be Jake Westbrook. Its really a bit of luck involved.
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I just hope Wang isn't another Chacon
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So, wheres a good place for Gonzalez? He mentioned he wanted to be on a winning team, not on the Devil Rays. But I don't see any contending team that really needs him.

It's a shame too because he's got a few more good years left in him.
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Old 09-15-2006, 10:24 PM   #3080
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Papelbon offically shut it down for the season

Finishes with a .92 ERA...Guess theres a lot of talk of him becoming a starter next season.
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