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Old 01-24-2010, 08:57 PM   #1
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Didn't really want to start a "turf war" over it. I was just coming to my own defense.
Once you enter the Movie/TV Forum screech....all bets are off.
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Old 01-24-2010, 08:55 PM   #2
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Old 01-24-2010, 08:56 PM   #3
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Thank you Narc.

Now the question is how much longer will this argument go on? Will Zeeboe fire back? Will either man back down? How many pages will this thread hit? Is Zeeboe really Leno himself?!

It's amazing what one man will do to just procrastinate.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:01 PM   #4
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I guess that explains why I don't post in here too often.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:42 PM   #5
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Just because you claim to know about Jay's life and business decisions doesn't mean you actually do. But if that's what you want to believe so be it. Keep at the "you're all kids who don't know anything" gimmick, too. It's quite entertaining.
Eh, you're the only one I'm calling a kid. Okay, so you didn't like the last question. I'll rephrase - Did you first watch Saved by the Bell when it aired on NBC, or when it started airing on Nick Jr?
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:33 PM   #6
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I watched the show when it originally aired, though I don't know what that has to do with anything. Would you feel worse being put in your place by someone younger?
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:34 PM   #7
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:34 PM   #8
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And good call with that joke. I'm so proud that you can be original AND logical.
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:35 PM   #9
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That was sarcasm. I figured I'd clue you in, since you don't seem to pick up on it without being told.
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I watched the show when it originally aired, though I don't know what that has to do with anything. Would you feel worse being put in your place by someone younger?
I'm just trying to understand you is all. Cause you're kinda goofy, and coming from me, that's not a good thing.

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That was sarcasm. I figured I'd clue you in, since you don't seem to pick up on it without being told.
lmao......okay, thanks buddy.
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Old 01-24-2010, 11:26 PM   #11
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I don't give two shits what you think of me or that you're trying to "understand" me. Fact is, I've been pretty entertained reading the last few pages of your idiocy and trying to "get to me."
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Old 01-25-2010, 12:45 AM   #12
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Old 01-25-2010, 12:59 AM   #13
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If it keeps up we could be looking at a possible feud of the year nomination for the Spammies.
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Old 01-25-2010, 01:05 AM   #15
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Feud of the Year, eh? Never thought I'd be mentioned in the same sentence.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:38 AM   #16
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Little early for feud of the year talk.

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Okaaaay. That's good.
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:35 AM   #18
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I like that you are using the smiley now. You've realized you sound like an ass, so you're trying to laugh everything off to "gain some cred" as the kids say.

It's not working, but keep at it. I'm having fun.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:03 AM   #20
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God Zeeboe you WOULD like Leno

I am convinced that no one is going to watch Leno now and that is going to turn out the exact same as it was at primetime.
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:09 AM   #21
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I guess it makes sense now. Apparently Leno's payout would have been 150M if the Jay Leno Show was cancelled and he was fired (assuming he didn't get the Tonight Show back I guess) compared to Conan's 32M payout.

So Leno knew he would get 150M if they tried to cancel his show. I don't really believe the conspiracy theorists that think Jay planned this all along or whatever but I mean thats a pretty big security blanket for someone as "popular" as Leno. Getting that written into his contract pretty much ensures he wouldn't get fired.

IMO, seems like Conan would have been done whether his ratings were better or not.
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150 Million? Can I see your source on this?

I'm not calling you a liar, I just want to see it.
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Not sure if that link will work...

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/01/20...-million/39434

I think this one just takes pieces out of that other one.
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That's so crazy. How did he get this contract.
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Again, what age has to do with anything makes no sense to me. That motto of "youth must be served" is lame. I say get in line with everyone else, and if the old timers wanna go for seconds, that's their right. In a way, judging someone based on their age is no different then judging someone based on their skin color.

Loyalty means more to me then trends, and AOL has been good to me, so that is where I will stay. It's the same deal with MySpace/Facebook. I will remain loyal to MySpace always no matter what the media says is the popular social network now.

I know no one asked for my bio, but a point must be made:

Bear in mind, I'm also a defender of old-school wrestlers, and think these kids today suck, so is it that shocking I'd be all about the old ways? I have an older cell phone too with no texting or any of that other junk people have on their cell phones, I love U.S. history, I love classic rock and classic films and classic video games, and I have a PS2 as well as a classic Nintendo and Super Nintendo, a discmen, tons of CD's, no Ipod here, and I even still use VHS's to record stuff. No DVR or Tivo. My favorite current NBA player is Shaq, and the only new-school stuff I have is a blu-ray player and an HDTV. And heck, the "youngest bands" I love are Korn, Kid Rock, Eminem, ICP, Rob Zombie, and Manson, and by today's teenage standards, I'm sure those guys are all consider old.

Most of my favorite "new" movies also have older people in the leads....Freddy vs. Jason, The Devil's Rejects, Rocky Balboa, Death Proof, The Wrestler, etc.

Being "old" is not a bad thing to me. "Old" to me means more dependable and experienced. Treason is also a characteristic I loath, along with being trendy, so you'll never see me betray anyone or anything, ESPECIALLY if it's all for the sake of following a trend.

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Fuckin' A right it is, and that's one of the many reasons why I'm proud to be an American.

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I like that you are using the smiley now. You've realized you sound like an ass, so you're trying to laugh everything off to "gain some cred" as the kids say.

It's not working, but keep at it. I'm having fun.
Oh, I don't need to gain any cred. BTW, can you tell me again that you're having fun, and that you find this funny cause I didn't read that the first few times. Just six more times, please?

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God Zeeboe you WOULD like Leno

I am convinced that no one is going to watch Leno now and that is going to turn out the exact same as it was at primetime.
Yup, I would like Leno. As I've told the boys here before, there's A LOT of things we'd disagree on. But clearly while on this part of the net world, my likes and dislikes may differ then most, but in the real world, and the mainstream world, a lot of other people would agree with me.

And people have doubted Leno before, and expected him to fall, and he did not. So don't get your hopes up. Up until he left, he was the King of Late Night TV, and was kicking Letterman's ass in the ratings.
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Again, what age has to do with anything makes no sense to me.
Yet you spent a page asking me how old I was. Well done.

(Cheap and silly? Yes, but it had to be done.)


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Oh, I don't need to gain any cred. BTW, can you tell me again that you're having fun, and that you find this funny cause I didn't read that the first few times. Just six more times, please?
Kind of like no one here needs to know that you are a Conan fan and that you're obsessed with how old I am? Or that we don't need to know that you are a Jay Leno fan (and you know everything there is to know about this) and want to "correct people" on their views of the situation?

Is it kind of like that? Glad to see you're reading at least some of what people are saying and not being completely selective.
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AOL users are old
For the Rapleaf study, the company sampled 120,000 webmail accounts from users with @aol.com, @gmail.com, @hotmail.com, and @yahoo.com email addresses. They then looked into the users' age and gender after having collected the data from social media profiles where people have publicly disclosed this information. Obviously, in doing so, they've skewed their findings a bit, as the company notes in their blog post. Users of social media sites already tend to be younger, so it's not surprising that they found that the majority of the webmail users studied were young with 75% under the age of 35.
Rapleaf says that despite their collection methods, their findings can offer insight into these different userbases. To some extent, that may be true, but we're left wondering how different these findings would be if they hadn't relied on public social media data and rather went with a true random sample.
Gmail Skews Young, AOL Older

That being said, here's what Rapleaf came up with. In terms of age:
  • Nearly 50% of Gmail users are under 25 years of age
  • AOL users tend to be older, with 31% of users being at least 36 years old
  • Yahoo and Hotmail email users have similar age distributions
 It's not all that surprising that Gmail users tend to be young. After all, the service was established years after AOL, Hotmail, and Yahoo. Some of those who already had webmail accounts on other services were hesitant to switch at first (and some still are) since the process of changing email accounts is never entirely painless and often leads to months of checking dual inboxes for emails that may have been missed. Instead, Google's growth likely came from more webmail first-timers looking to set up their brand-new online accounts in addition to the braver "email switchers," a group that also probably skews younger...especially since an effective switchover often requires a bit of technical savvy involving setting up forwarding, auto-responders, etc.
As for AOL being comprised of older users, that too, is relatively unsurprising. Where Google is the newest service, AOL is one of the oldest. Its core user base has aged with it over the years and those who haven't jumped shipped yet are bound to be the older members who don't stay as current with changing technology trends. Still, setting the bar for "old" at 36 is a little humbling - especially for those of us getting up in our years. (That's not old, is it?) It would be interesting to see further breakdowns of this demographic into age segments including 40+, 50+, and so on, but that data was not available.







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Not purely scientific as the samples were self-reported instead of random.
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Not sure why this just popped into my head, but do you think Conan would fare well involved in a sitcom (either writing or acting)?

I don't know what his limitations are as far as what television-related stuff he can/cannot do, but it could be interesting to see him do something like that.
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I won't say he could never act, but I think he would be much better suited to writing. He's much too known for being Conan to ever really be an effective actor (unless it's a cameo or voice work). But his name carries such gravitas that "written by Conan O'Brien" would probably draw decent ratings for a pilot.
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I won't say he could never act, but I think he would be much better suited to writing. He's much too known for being Conan to ever really be an effective actor (unless it's a cameo or voice work). But his name carries such gravitas that "written by Conan O'Brien" would probably draw decent ratings for a pilot.
I feel like him doing cameos on, and writing for, one particular show would bring some good ratings. People know what he can do writing-wise and know that he can be funny on television. I just think it would be interesting to see if people felt the same way (i.e. still saw his humor) about him in that capacity.

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Conan would be roflmao in a sitcom where he plays himself like Larry David. So pretty much he can just be him, but a magnified version of him. I dunno I could see that being so ROFLMAO, since he'd be writing it.
That's kind of what I was thinking when I posted it.

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The other day I imagined him as the jerk who gets hot women in a comedy movie for some reason. I'd like to see that.
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Yeah if he did a character with that kind of attitude I think he would be really funny.
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I loved when he was driving around in LA in it for the first time and he got a girl on the street pregnant by looking at her
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The other day I imagined him as the jerk who gets hot women in a comedy movie for some reason. I'd like to see that.
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I'm not saying there's anything wrong with age. I'm saying that the poll you initially brought up, the one that said more people preferred Leno, was probably skewed because it came from AOL due to AOL being more heavily slanted towards older people. Look at that graph. If you sent out e-mails to only gmail users, do you think you would get the same result? Probably not.

The ratings don't lie and they are a more scientific result than either of us have provided. Conan's finale, after only 7-months of the Tonight Show, outdrew Jay Leno's 17-years there by 40% in the younger demographic. You can take that however you want. Maybe Jay's audience all got older. Maybe newer viewers didn't find him as funny as their parents.

Did Jay have better overall numbers? Absolutely. Did he also have better lead-ins and more time to build an audience? Absolutely.
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Zeeboe, please... shut the fuck up. You are a total dweeboid.

And theddy's last point sums it all up.
Right. Anyone who disagrees with you in life should just be quiet because they are a "dweeboid". What a mature young man you are.

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I'm not saying there's anything wrong with age. I'm saying that the poll you initially brought up, the one that said more people preferred Leno, was probably skewed because it came from AOL due to AOL being more heavily slanted towards older people. Look at that graph. If you sent out e-mails to only gmail users, do you think you would get the same result? Probably not.

The ratings don't lie and they are a more scientific result than either of us have provided. Conan's finale, after only 7-months of the Tonight Show, outdrew Jay Leno's 17-years there by 40% in the younger demographic. You can take that however you want. Maybe Jay's audience all got older. Maybe newer viewers didn't find him as funny as their parents.

Did Jay have better overall numbers? Absolutely. Did he also have better lead-ins and more time to build an audience? Absolutely.
As NBC themselves once said: "Jay's just that good." If the product wasn't good, the lead-in's would not matter. Jay's product was clearly good. If it wasn't, no one would have watched.

What happens in the future remains to be seen, but I honestly believe Jay's show will bring in ratings like they did before. Heck, even if some Leno fans do think Leno cheated Conan out of his spot....they're not gonna care. They like Jay that much. Plenty of fans in the Leno fanbase hated seeing Jay go.

Infact, in real life, it's amazing how different people are then they are on the net. In the real world, I've come across plenty of hardcore Hogan fans but on the net, most people hate the man. And in real life, I've discussed this whole Late Night thing at work, and plenty of my co-workers said they were Leno fans, and found Conan to be annoying. (And I do disagree with that.)

With all due respect to the internet, and it's regulars, if the net had any force in any world beyond their computers, guys like Hulk Hogan wouldn't be still working, and WCW would still be in business.

There's a reason why the pros are where they are at, and why the "experts" are working average joe jobs, and posting on the web forums. While no one is without error, I think NBC knows what they are doing now. They made a huge mistake asking Jay to leave, and they're trying to correct it.

The waiting game is the next move. NBC is gonna try to let all this cool down, then Jay will be back in a few weeks, and rather the ratings are there or not remains to be seen, but even if they are not there right away, I am guessing they will be soon enough......cause Letterman's style of humor differs from Jay's, and not everyone is into Letterman's brand of comedy, and those people are gonna wanna laugh too.
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Right. Anyone who disagrees with you in life should just be quiet because they are a "dweeboid". What a mature young man you are.
I find it incredibly ironic that someone who says they're "18 in 2001" is lecturing someone on maturity.
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I find it incredibly ironic that someone who says they're "18 in 2001" is lecturing someone on maturity.
Well, we have immature people in 2001 too ya know?

Lo - Well, Jay is the host of the show, so he really has no reason to complain. Haha. But anyhow, I do somewhat agree with your last statement. We're on here defending these guys like they are members of our famlies or something. Sure, you watch em' for so long, it may feel like you know em', but you really don't. And while I am sure they'd be grateful for having fans who defend them, but I think points have been clearly made on every side.
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