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Old 03-02-2011, 09:02 PM   #1
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Big stars that didn't draw
Name some big, popular stars that never really drew.

I've always heard Sting's name tossed around in this conversation, as well as Steamboat. Agree/Disagree with these?

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Triple H, he always feuded with the wrestler that drew, don't be fooled.
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Sting and Steamboat both drew. Obviously Sting in 96/ 97 ends that argument.

Now you can argue that Flair was on the opposite side of the ring when both of them were on top in 89/90. But Still, both were draws as babyfaces.

To answer the question, Kevin Nash was a big failure in 95, but the business was in the shits, so it wasn't really his faut. Same could be said for HBK.

Barry Windham wasn't really a great World Champion in 91

Luger was a big draw in WCW, but he never really had it in WWF.

Big Show never really made an impact in his early WWF run. He's more of an attraction then a draw.

Vader is another one that was a draw in early 90's WCW, but not so good in WWF.
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RVD. I am pretty sure once he got to WWE never drew, but was just popular with the IWC.
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Dunno about RVD, he's too modern/was champion in an era where the champion isn't relied on to draw. I think this goes for the business as a whole from maybe early 2000's onwards with rare exceptions that could be discussed, stand out one being Cena.
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so far, you got Vince Russo and Jeff Jarrett right. Rey is pretty much the biggest money making crusier of all-time
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Triple H, he always feuded with the wrestler that drew, don't be fooled.
That is interesting thought. When you look back he was always with the top talent, but I feel like his buy-rates are pretty high. He is a good wrestler and can compete with the best of them. All I know is if it were up to James Steele and me, Triple H would always Main Event. He sells for us.
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Dunno about RVD, he's too modern/was champion in an era where the champion isn't relied on to draw. I think this goes for the business as a whole from maybe early 2000's onwards with rare exceptions that could be discussed, stand out one being Cena.
He did go to TNA to draw, but really didn't
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so far, you got Vince Russo and Jeff Jarrett right. Rey is pretty much the biggest money making crusier of all-time
Are you aware that that's not saying much? But that is false, it would actually be Chris Jericho.
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so far, you got Vince Russo and Jeff Jarrett right. Rey is pretty much the biggest money making crusier of all-time
Oh another thing, your saying Owen Hart & Sid drew???? There's more on the list, but we'll start with these two.
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RVD. I am pretty sure once he got to WWE never drew, but was just popular with the IWC.
Aside from Stone Cold and maybe The Rock, RVD was the most popular wrestler during the InVasion. Pretty sure those arenas weren't full of the IWC.
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Sometimes I wonder if Bret Hart was that big of a draw? I mean with the exception of Stone Cold feud and HBK, the guy barely seems memorable. His world title runs are forgettable, he known more for getting screwed and his feud with Austin than anything else. When he was World Champ his main event was hardly ever the best part of the card, someone else usually stole the show....am I wrong here?
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Aside from Stone Cold and maybe The Rock, RVD was the most popular wrestler during the InVasion. Pretty sure those arenas weren't full of the IWC.
I am pretty sure they were filled because of Stone Cold & The Rock.
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yea, not going to get into an argument on who was more popular. I don't consider Jericho a crusier/luchador/whatever. just a dumb comment to say Rey is/was not a draw. really can't take you seriously when you mentioned Anderson, Pillman, Steiner and Rude. don't know if you saw how over 3/4 of those names were in Crockett/early WCW
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I wasn't making a case for RVD as a draw in WWE, I was just saying that it wasn't just the IWC that loved the guy.
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True, but when he was the "Main Man" he really didn't draw that well. Then when he went to TNA, he really did not do anything to help TNA.
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yea, not going to get into an argument on who was more popular. I don't consider Jericho a crusier/luchador/whatever. just a dumb comment to say Rey is/was not a draw. really can't take you seriously when you mentioned Anderson, Pillman, Steiner and Rude. don't know if you saw how over 3/4 of those names were in Crockett/early WCW
Over and drawing are two different things. That is where the mix up is happening. You HONESTLY believe that people PAID money to see Anderson, or did they pay money to see The Horsemen? Pillman, no one paid to see the guy, great all around wrestler, one of my favs, but no one was going to the arena for him, sorry, hard to believe. Steiner? Were they paying to see them, or were they spending their hard earn money to truly see The Road Warriors? Flair? Sting? Yeah right if you believe that, then it is truly hard to take you serious.
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Then by your own definition, Rey Mysterio is absolutely a draw.
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Oh another thing, your saying Owen Hart & Sid drew???? There's more on the list, but we'll start with these two.
don't really think Vince would be stupid enough to book Sid in main event programs 3 times if the first didn't work. Sid made money.

I'll give you Owen because he only had really one good main event program
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I wasn't making a case for RVD as a draw in WWE, I was just saying that it wasn't just the IWC that loved the guy.
Ok, I believe that whole thread is not being understood, no one is saying someone is popular or not, but did they sell out arenas? Create bigger pay days for the boys?

Hell yeah RVD was popular, but did the 12,000 plus people night in and night out come out to see him, or was he just a bonus?
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don't really think Vince would be stupid enough to book Sid in main event programs 3 times if the first didn't work. Sid made money.

I'll give you Owen because he only had really one good main event program
Sid main evented WM WITH HULK MUTHERFUCKIN' HOGAN, how is that one not obvious? Then he main evented 13 with the Undertaker, c'mon man, seriously. Then his other programs were with Shawn Michaels, do not be fooled, he was always paired to "heel" down the big drawers, sort of like they use Mark Henry, hell even Big Show....
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there's maybe 10 guys that are on the "selling out arenas" platform. lets just name them and call it a thread if we are using that as the standard for being a draw
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Ok, I believe that whole thread is not being understood, no one is saying someone is popular or not, but did they sell out arenas? Create bigger pay days for the boys?

Hell yeah RVD was popular, but did the 12,000 plus people night in and night out come out to see him, or was he just a bonus?
I always thought he was a bonus.
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Bret Hart absolutely was a draw especially outside of the US. In fact Bret Hart is one of the biggest international draws of all time
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there's maybe 10 guys that are on the "selling out arenas" platform. lets just name them and call it a thread if we are using that as the standard for being a draw
True.
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Bret Hart absolutely was a draw especially outside of the US. In fact Bret Hart is one of the biggest all time international draws.
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You mean because it isn't?

His international fame is proof positive that he was a draw
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David Arquette in terms of what WCW or Russo had hoped he could draw in money, outside exposure, and viewers away from WWF but none of that occurred. Then again a lot of late-WCW champions could fall under the same category.

I think Eddie Guerrero didn't draw well as a champion considering how he felt his first reign was a failure for making money although Vince never blamed or punished him and the quality of the feuds were a bit lackluster (ex. vs JBL).

RVD is another but he barely had the chance due to his stupidity and also WWE not capitalizing when he was hot during the Invasion feud.
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I think that the majority of big stars did not draw.

I mean... I can only think of Jerry Lawler. I know that he has been known to be an "artist".
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JBL and to a lesser extent Booker T.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:11 PM   #35
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I think that the majority of big stars did not draw.

I mean... I can only think of Jerry Lawler. I know that he has been known to be an "artist".

I see what you did there
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Old 03-02-2011, 11:00 PM   #36
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Jeff Jarrett, JBL & Booker T are the only ones to come to mind.....
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Lash LeRoux drew as well, but I wouldn't classify him as a "big star".
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I think that the majority of big stars did not draw.

I mean... I can only think of Jerry Lawler. I know that he has been known to be an "artist".
Jeff Hardy draws on himself.
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Ron Simmons as WCW World Champion didn't draw as much, so WCW booked him in matches before the main event, which usually featured Sting.

Booker T and Scott Steiner as World Champions in WCW were cases of too little, too late.

Vampiro didn't do well in WCW, because he didn't really push himself, despite help from Sting.

Mike Awesome in WCW was a clusterfuck, because they gave him gimmick after gimmick.
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not to get any panties in a knot but Bret was an international draw. He drew the foreign markets better than Hogan.

Shawn Michaels didn't draw anywhere as much as Hart did during his run. Now panties should be getting bunched up.
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