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Old 09-09-2005, 05:58 PM   #41
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Kidman should just call himself Sick Boy again, and be cool again.
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:08 PM   #42
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Or how about "The Ice Man" Steve Williams?
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:09 PM   #43
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They may not of came up with them but they do OWN them.

How do you own words? And how does that not fall under Freedom of Speech. Does it make a difference whether its on camera or not? Dudleys and the kid who ran the website should fight this. Thats pretty bs on WWF's part.
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:30 PM   #44
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Kidman should just call himself Sick Boy again, and be cool again.
Umm he wasn't Sick Boy.
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:32 PM   #45
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How do you own words? And how does that not fall under Freedom of Speech. Does it make a difference whether its on camera or not? Dudleys and the kid who ran the website should fight this. Thats pretty bs on WWF's part.
Phrases can be copyrighted, along with creative names. Hence why the name "The Rock" can be copyrighted, but "Dwayne Johnson" can't.
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:33 PM   #46
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:44 PM   #47
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Umm he wasn't Sick Boy.
lol. I caught that too.

I believe he was just Kidman. However calling his finisher "The Seven Year Itch" again would fucking rule.
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:50 PM   #48
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A): Vince is desperate, it shows in everything he does - and all this does is prove it. He isn't making the money off of the shows, so what better way to make up all of the difference than by suing everyone? Deceased guys better watch out, because it it says "Big John Studd" on your tombstone, Vince might say he owns the rights to your gravesite?

B): Why don't they all come together and sue as one unit? I'm sure there are certain lawyers who will take this type of case free of charge until the trial is over. Even if they don't win, it's publicity. I could think of several major ones down south that'd do it. Some of them may have a shot. Especially considering the fact that WWE kept them around just long enough to make WCW / ECW figures of them, and do the ECW PPV - and then dumped them. It's a technical abuse.

This Vader thing in itself is ridiculous. There should be no grounds.

Also, when they're discussing the pics on Spike's site, are these WWE.com caption pics or are they pics taken by fans during his stay in WWE?? If it's the fan pics, they can't do shit. The screencaps, then they'll just have to remove them.
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:00 PM   #49
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:01 PM   #50
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:39 PM   #51
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Bubba will probably be called "BB-Ray" or "B-Ray" in TNA
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:46 PM   #52
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What goes around comes around...

Think about it.

Remember when Triple A got a letter from the WWE about using copyrighted material?

A few years later WWF is forced to changed to WWE because they themselves were infringing on the world wildlife fund name.
yes the WWF had to change to the WWE because they threatened Triple A.
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:57 PM   #53
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Imagine you can't say 'get the tables'. It's fucking pathetic. Fuck WWE.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:10 PM   #54
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Imagine you can't say 'get the tables'. It's fucking pathetic. Fuck WWE.
Yeah fuck them.

Let's all watch some CZW where the REAL wrestling is at!
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:19 PM   #55
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Yeah fuck them.

Let's all watch some CZW where the REAL wrestling is at!
Yeah... I'm going to go watch a 25 minute epic of Petey Williams vs. Sonjay Dutt vs. M Dogg 20 vs. Teddy Hart, you go watch a 5 minute Carlito vs. John Cena 'main event'.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:20 PM   #56
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Dammit, WWE never came up with the names of Billy Kidman, Justin Credible, The Dudley Boyz, Spike Dudley, and Vader. WWE is DEFINITELY not in the right, legally or otherwise, for going after the Hardcore Homecoming show. So now that they own everything WCW and ECW, they think they own the entire world and everything wrestling. Way to let your former talent make a living for themselves. Good thing people like Jindrak, Morgan, and a few others use their real names. Does Mero own the rights to Johnny B Badd or whatever, his old WCW gimmick? If so, they might as well go after Mero for using it in TNA, if he still does.
Legally, they own them. And they can get away with it, because who would challenge the WWE? They have money, which of these wrestlers can affort the challenge?
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:23 PM   #57
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They didn't come up with them, true. But they did purchase everything ECW including the rights to the names. Paul may have let the Dudleys continue using the name after they left ECW but apparently WWE is in no way going to be any bit as generous. Same goes for Billy Kidman and WCW. Like it or not they did trademark the names as soon as the wrestlers began working for them or they did purchase them from the former owners who had trademarked them.

In all honesty, if you're a wrestler and your name is your livlihood then you should trademark it as soon as possible. And if you ever start to work for WWE and your name is trademark they'll probably change your whole gimmick to something else. Once you're done with the company go back to using your original gimmick.

Lastly, I want to say I'm not defending what the WWE is doing. In fact I think its pretty shitty. I was just saying it was in their right to do so.
Well, WCW and ECW can't give trademarks where they didn't belong. As the Dudleyz and some other people were said to have left ECW WITH their trademarks, the WWE couldn't claim them as part of the package.

Plus, many of the "trademarks" are not actually registered trademarks...They can take out actual trademarks, but those would be easier to challenge.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:23 PM   #58
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Bubba and D-Von should just put on masks and call themselves.....

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Old 09-09-2005, 08:31 PM   #59
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And I beleive the story is 9 and someone in this thread mentioned it) is that Paul still owned a lot of the ECW guys trademarks and characters even after they left. Thats why he was bale to do things like produce a 'Best of the Dudleyz' DVD while they were in the WWE.

He gave them complete autonomy as far as working under the names with the WWE and Bubba has mentioned in numerous interviews that Paul promised that he would give or sell them the rights if he was ever bought out. But of course the WWE would basically insist that they get the rights to all the name ECW talent in any purchase. So that didn't happen.

Hence, they're screwed.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:36 PM   #60
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:47 PM   #61
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Yeah... I'm going to go watch a 25 minute epic of Petey Williams vs. Sonjay Dutt vs. M Dogg 20 vs. Teddy Hart, you go watch a 5 minute Carlito vs. John Cena 'main event'.
Cena/Carlito > All of them
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Cena/Carlito > All of them
lol Cena/Carlito better than Sonjay Dutt and Teddy Hart? Shows how mch you know about wrestling.
WRESTLING does not equal WWE. Only little girls think that, real wrestling fans browse through the indies and discover that the wrestlers in WWE could learn a lot from these guys.
Dude i think there's a new JONH CENA chain for you to buy on shopzone.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:57 PM   #63
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lol Cena/Carlito better than Sonjay Dutt and Teddy Hart? Shows how mch you know about wrestling.
WRESTLING does not equal WWE. Only little girls think that, real wrestling fans browse through the indies and discover that the wrestlers in WWE could learn a lot from these guys.
Dude i think there's a new JONH CENA chain for you to buy on shopzone.
Shut the fuck up, seriously. It's not about WWE vs everyone.

It's about Charisma vs Technical skills.

Fake technical skills don't mean shit without the entertainment value.
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Fake technical skills don't mean shit without the entertainment value.
Entertainment value? Maybe Cena attempting to rap to his 'chain gang' entertains you, good matches entertain me.
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Entertainment value? Maybe Cena attempting to rap to his 'chain gang' entertains you, good matches entertain me.
Which is why TNA draws so heavily.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:04 PM   #66
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I mean, you can argue that you'd rather watch, but what people actually watch seems to be different.
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LOL @ Sadistic again. jesus christ.

Look, I look at wrestling just as any other sport as far as major/minor leagues go.

If you make it to the WWE, you've "made it" and you are on top of the wrestling world. You're the cream of the crop and the WWE chooses these guys for a reason, even though these reasons may seem crazy to some of us. But, the WWE is the top company out there, therefore making WWE "stars" the best in the world.

It's simple as that.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:12 PM   #68
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I just look at it like this: Choreography's great, but without feuds, personas and the like that people give a shit about...
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I just look at it like this: Choreography's great, but without feuds, personas and the like that people give a shit about...
You're the type of fan that loves gimmicks and storylines. I couldn't care less who has custody of who, I turn on wrestling to see good matches.
You watched Eddie vs. Rey to see who would 'get' Dominic, I watched it to see a good ladder match.

Loose Cannon just because one is in WWE it doesn't make them one of the best wrestlers in the world. Actually, seeing as how WWE has banned so many moves, it takes MORE to be in any other promotion.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:22 PM   #70
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notice I didn't say best "wrestlers." I strayed away from that for a reason. I agree, most WWE stars aren't the best "wrestlers" in the world, but is WWE all about "wrestling?"

I think when talking about wrestling companies today, we have to stop using "wrestlers" when rating the stars and use "preformers." It's a beter term to judge by.
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So Backyard Wrestling, hey, the way foward.

And wait Sadistic, no no no no no, the guys who put on top notch matches in the WWE with these restrictions, then this shows their class for doing what they do on a limited amount of moves.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:26 PM   #72
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You're the type of fan that loves gimmicks and storylines.
Actually, I'm not. I'm putting forth an argument because you're retarded enough to make this "WWE vs everyone."

See, I'm less for arguing my own point of view than I am for arguing AGAINST stupidity.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:28 PM   #73
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So Backyard Wrestling, hey, the way foward.

And wait Sadistic, no no no no no, the guys who put on top notch matches in the WWE with these restrictions, then this shows their class for doing what they do on a limited amount of moves.
Been a while since I've seen a 'top notch' match in WWE.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:29 PM   #74
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So Backyard Wrestling, hey, the way foward.

And wait Sadistic, no no no no no, the guys who put on top notch matches in the WWE with these restrictions, then this shows their class for doing what they do on a limited amount of moves.
Absolutely. If you can put on a 5 star match with the 8 moves still allowed in the WWE...You're a wrestling GOD.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:31 PM   #75
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Been a while since I've seen a 'top notch' match in WWE.
HBK/Benjamin
Angle/Benjamin
Angle/HBK
Benoit/Regal

Hmmmm someone is too ignorant to pay attention.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:35 PM   #76
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HBK/Benjamin
Angle/Benjamin
Angle/HBK
Benoit/Regal

Hmmmm someone is too ignorant to pay attention.

FOUR top notch match since Wrestlemania? FOUR top notch matches in half a year? And this is the Federation you're defending?

I expect 3 top notch matches every PPV and one every or every second Raw. Not 4 every 6 months.
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Ummmm yeah.

Your standards are WAY too high.

You're the type of fan that causes a lot of these indy fed morons to do stupid shit like break light bulbs over their backs just to get a rise out of people like you.
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Old 09-09-2005, 09:38 PM   #78
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FOUR top notch match since Wrestlemania? FOUR top notch matches in half a year? And this is the Federation you're defending?

I expect 3 top notch matches every PPV and one every or every second Raw. Not 4 every 6 months.
You sad it'd been a while since you saw any. He pointed out four easily, and now you're backtracking.
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You seem like a fan of wrestlers who fly around taking bumps for 15 minutes. And you act like it's "top notch" just because they can do corkscrew planchas and suicide dives over and over again. Yet, that whole match barely consisted of any psychology and decent story telling other than "HOLY SHIT HE DID A SHOOTING STAR PRESS INTO A 450 WHICH REVERESED INTO A DRAGON SUPLEX ONTO LIGHT BULBS!"
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Of course. Luchadores=great matches, no matter what.
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