Official Bound For Glory thread--10/23/05

[loopydate]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Yea, he'll sure put people in seats.

Let's not forget what happened the last time those words were said regarding a title change.

Honestly, though, putting it on Rhino made some sense to me. We all know Jarrett won't be allowed to be without the gold for long, so he'll win it back at whatever-their-next-PPV-is. But a surprise title change will get people talking.

Any casual fan who didn't order tonight's PPV after thinking long and hard about it will be thinking "I didn't order the show because I didn't really care about Diesel and J-E-double-F J-A-double-R-E-double-T. Wait...who won the title? Huh. Kinda wish I'd seen that."

Rhino put on a good show tonight from what I've heard. The Monster's Ball match was put together well and got an awesome reaction from the crowd. The guy who wins that match is going to come off looking like a million bucks. Any one of those guys would have been a viable #1 contender in those fans' eyes, and he's the one who beat 'em all in the most brutal match TNA has. He beat Abyss twice tonight!

Yes, he jobbed in WWE. But, honestly, who hasn't (besides UT, Hogan, Austin, and HHH)? They could have brought in Chris Jericho, and we'd all be going nuts. But Jericho was jobbed just as bad as Rhino, and he did it in a much more high-profile manner.

Now Raven has even more to complain about. Not only was he screwed by AMW at the BCW show, now the Championship Committee doesn't even put him in the gauntlet? I don't think it has to be Raven vs. Jarrett for this storyline to continue. It's Raven vs. Zybysko. It's Raven vs. TNA. It's Raven vs. the world. What about Raven, right?

I, for one, can't wait until Impact to see how this all plays out.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by loopydate Let's not forget what happened the last time those words were said regarding a title change. Honestly, though, putting it on Rhino made some sense to me. We all know Jarrett won't be allowed to be without the gold for long, so he'll win it back at whatever-their-next-PPV-is. But a surprise title change will get people talking. Any casual fan who didn't order tonight's PPV after thinking long and hard about it will be thinking "I didn't order the show because I didn't really care about Diesel and J-E-double-F J-A-double-R-E-double-T. Wait...who won the title? Huh. Kinda wish I'd seen that." Rhino put on a good show tonight from what I've heard. The Monster's Ball match was put together well and got an awesome reaction from the crowd. The guy who wins that match is going to come off looking like a million bucks. Any one of those guys would have been a viable #1 contender in those fans' eyes, and he's the one who beat 'em all in the most brutal match TNA has. He beat Abyss twice tonight! Yes, he jobbed in WWE. But, honestly, who hasn't (besides UT, Hogan, Austin, and HHH)? They could have brought in Chris Jericho, and we'd all be going nuts. But Jericho was jobbed just as bad as Rhino, and he did it in a much more high-profile manner. Now Raven has even more to complain about. Not only was he screwed by AMW at the BCW show, now the Championship Committee doesn't even put him in the gauntlet? I don't think it has to be Raven vs. Jarrett for this storyline to continue. It's Raven vs. Zybysko. It's Raven vs. TNA. It's Raven vs. the world. What about Raven, right? I, for one, can't wait until Impact to see how this all plays out.

In that way, I can see the positives. And I don't really watch Impact for the World Title scene anyway, So I agree that I want to see how it plays out.

And Fox's point about the possibility of a title change on the 2 Hour Special is a valid one.

And I love the idea that loopy put out about Raven vs The World and I hope TNA picks up on it.

I think I mainly totally reject the idea that JJ retaining would've sent the viewers and ticket buyers home unhappy. I still believe the best decision would've been to leave the belt on JJ and to go from there.

[Mr. JL]

I think TNA needs to handle this new situation very delicately. This is how I would set it up.

I suggest 'claiming' that Rhino has reinjured his broken neck and will be unable to defend his title. They should build up his THREE big wins, and start setting up that he is the MAN and how he won the title with a broken neck or whatever. Then have Rhino should cut an classy emotional promo, and tell everyone in the back that he is setting up a tournament to crown the new champion.

Set up a big tournament for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship with obviously Jeff Jarrett V. Raven being in the finals match with Raven winning cleanly. This way, it makes the title the focus and also brings together the big Jarrett-Raven II match.

The downside is having to keep Rhino off the show, but still, it creates a ready made storyline when he "recovers" from his injuries.
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It won't happen but I believe it is the best, and most intriging way to do it from this point.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by loopydate Let's not forget what happened the last time those words were said regarding a title change.

JJ's segments have been getting high numbers on Impact, so from what I've been seeing, people want to watch him. And the babyface champion has a bigger responsibility of putting people in the seats and making people care because he's suppossed to be everyone's hero and the guy people look up to. But this is TNA, where there are no heels or babyfaces.

Originally Posted by looydtae Honestly, though, putting it on Rhino made some sense to me. We all know Jarrett won't be allowed to be without the gold for long, so he'll win it back at whatever-their-next-PPV-is. But a surprise title change will get people talking. Any casual fan who didn't order tonight's PPV after thinking long and hard about it will be thinking "I didn't order the show because I didn't really care about Diesel and J-E-double-F J-A-double-R-E-double-T. Wait...who won the title? Huh. Kinda wish I'd seen that. Rhino put on a good show tonight from what I've heard. The Monster's Ball match was put together well and got an awesome reaction from the crowd. The guy who wins that match is going to come off looking like a million bucks. Any one of those guys would have been a viable #1 contender in those fans' eyes, and he's the one who beat 'em all in the most brutal match TNA has. He beat Abyss twice tonight! Yes, he jobbed in WWE. But, honestly, who hasn't (besides UT, Hogan, Austin, and HHH)? They could have brought in Chris Jericho, and we'd all be going nuts. But Jericho was jobbed just as bad as Rhino, and he did it in a much more high-profile manner.

Rhino was jobbing on low profile matches to guys like Bradshaw. He doesn't have promo skills, he lacks charisma, and really sin't anything special. He was never a big deal at all in WWE, the place where it usually matters. Yea, guys like Jericho jobbed, but Jericho actually DREW money, was a HUGE deal, is high profile, can cut a great promo, has charisma, is known outside wrestling and has won a shit load of Titles for WWE and WCW. Theres' the Difference

Originally Posted by loopydate Now Raven has even more to complain about. Not only was he screwed by AMW at the BCW show, now the Championship Committee doesn't even put him in the gauntlet? I don't think it has to be Raven vs. Jarrett for this storyline to continue. It's Raven vs. Zybysko. It's Raven vs. TNA. It's Raven vs. the world. What about Raven, right? I, for one, can't wait until Impact to see how this all plays out.

Raven isn't the guy TNA needs to be going against the world for them. There's a reason they put the Title on him while they didn't have a show on the air. Just irritates me that they could of given JJ a credible win over someone tonight, could of made him look like a strong champ, but now they wasted that with a quick victory over him by Rhino.

[loopydate]

Forgot to comment on this earlier:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Rhino was jobbing on low profile matches to guys like Bradshaw. He doesn't have promo skills, he lacks charisma, and really sin't anything special. He was never a big deal at all in WWE, the place where it usually matters. Yea, guys like Jericho jobbed, but Jericho actually DREW money, was a HUGE deal, is high profile, can cut a great promo, has charisma, is known outside wrestling and has won a shit load of Titles for WWE and WCW. Theres' the Difference

Here's the difference as I see it.

Yes, Rhyno lost to lowcarders his entire career, but how many casual fans pay attention to those matches in the first place? The lowcard matches, unless they're involving divas or...divas, usually are met with apathy from the crowd, and they don't really pay any attention to who was in them. (See: Bradshaw turning from beer-drinking poker-playing protection-runner to city-slicker limo-riding millionaire overnight and nobody but us even noticing)

Fans watch the main events. They pay attention to the main events. When they watched WCW, they saw Jeff Jarrett in the main event and they saw the promotion die. They saw him win the title from David Arquette in one match and with help from two crooked guest officials in a second.

Neither of these guys makes for a credible main-eventer in the eyes of a casual fan, but most casual fans will have forgotten that Rhino used to wrestle on Heat. They won't have forgotten that Jarrett carried on a top-tier feud with...Master P. They won't have forgotten that Jarrett couldn't win the belt on his own (and still can't) OR pin a woman.