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Old 01-10-2006, 07:16 PM   #41
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C'mon guys. In the WWE, "Good Business" means "Anger the Fans" (and thus get a reaction which will be interpreted as interest).
They got me to stop watching Raw. It's proof that Edge is a top heel.
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Old 01-10-2006, 07:16 PM   #42
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He does...but it'll still come back to haunt them.
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Old 01-10-2006, 07:18 PM   #43
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Old 01-10-2006, 07:21 PM   #44
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:25 PM   #45
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:41 PM   #46
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:57 AM   #47
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:03 PM   #48
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People ARE watching.
Back in 1999/2000 nearly everyone I knew watched WWE. No I know about 3 people that watch it.
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:05 PM   #49
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It doesn't matter who you know. Raw is still the number one rated cable television program. SOMEBODY is watching.
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:35 PM   #50
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People ARE watching.
And yet the numbers are nothing compared to what they used to be. They're unable to sell out arenas of the same size anymore. THEY'RE FUCKING DOING SHOWS IN VERMONT! A state with a population of about 500!

Not enough people are watching, clearly.
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:36 PM   #51
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It doesn't matter who you know. Raw is still the number one rated cable television program. SOMEBODY is watching.
#1 cable program is like being the #1 white basketball player.
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Old 01-11-2006, 12:46 PM   #52
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Wrestling used to be fun when I was younger. I remember going to school on the monday and all we could talk about was Raw and SD!. We used to immitate the catchphrases and everything.

*Sigh* Those were the days.

Me: How do you spell "because"?

Friend: B-E-C-..

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Old 01-11-2006, 01:43 PM   #53
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Right. Well there are probably kids who are young now who do the same things.
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Old 01-11-2006, 01:44 PM   #54
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#1 cable program is like being the #1 white basketball player.
But if you are in fact a cable program (or a white basketball player), should that not be your goal?
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Old 01-11-2006, 02:52 PM   #55
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But if you are in fact a cable program (or a white basketball player), should that not be your goal?
Your goal should be to draw the same obscene numbers you have in the past, rather than hemmorage money, so much that you can no longer keep your TV deals, sustain PPV buyrates, or put asses in the seats.

If you're the best white basketball player, you should strive to be known as better than just the best WHITE player.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:00 PM   #56
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Who was it that said Vince didn't consider TNA a threat? Allow me to tell you all: I told you so.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:00 PM   #57
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But they are the best WRESTLING promotion. There's very little dispute there. They may have trouble keeping TV deals and sustaining buyrates, but how many organizations even HAVE TV and PPV deals? And I know their ratings and buyrates put TNA's to shame.

One would also have to take into account the fact that the business just isn't booming like it was in previous years.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:01 PM   #58
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Who was it that said Vince didn't consider TNA a threat? Allow me to tell you all: I told you so.
Just because you like to squash bugs doesn't mean you feel threatened by them.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:02 PM   #59
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Who was it that said Vince didn't consider TNA a threat? Allow me to tell you all: I told you so.
I said it, and I still mean. Vince can have forsight to see that TNA in theory could become a threat, but TNA is not a threat, Vince is not scared of TNA, and he is simply taking cautious steps towards making sure it stays like that.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:08 PM   #60
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But they are the best WRESTLING promotion. There's very little dispute there. They may have trouble keeping TV deals and sustaining buyrates, but how many organizations even HAVE TV and PPV deals? And I know their ratings and buyrates put TNA's to shame.

One would also have to take into account the fact that the business just isn't booming like it was in previous years.
They are the best wrestling promotion, and yet still...Hemorraging money.

Business isn't booming because the product isn't that good, and that's the problem.

Throwing good money after bad is not good business.
BArgaining on poor footing is not good business.
Spending money to screw a Mickey Mouse promotion at the expense of your own product's funding is not good business.

This is not good business, and if the only argument you can come up with is "They're the best wrestling promotion" or "Their ratings are still higher than other cable shows," You have no argument. That doesn't dismiss poor business practices, it just shows how little you grasp what good business is.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:12 PM   #61
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Well, I think it's obvious that they don't consider TNA a "Mickey Mouse" promotion. They see that there is some sort of potential there. They are the only other North American promotion with a national TV deal and a PPV deal. Why would you just want to give them talent? They're protecting themselves. It may be cutthroat, but they will still remain on top.

If anybody should be angry about this, it should be the wrestlers who get re-signed just so they won't go to TNA, but what we have to remember is that they all do it for money. It's their livelihood. And sure, it means more than that to some people, but as someone mentioned earlier, if it REALLY bothers them that much, they can just tell the WWE to stick it.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:28 PM   #62
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It's not all about money to every wrestler.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:30 PM   #63
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Well, I think it's obvious that they don't consider TNA a "Mickey Mouse" promotion.
Pointless speculation and wild guesswork.

Sorry, you can't make this argument work with that.
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:31 PM   #64
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How is it pointless speculation? If they didn't at least view them as SOMEWHAT of a threat, why would they even bother?
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Old 01-11-2006, 03:33 PM   #65
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Old 01-11-2006, 04:05 PM   #66
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How is it pointless speculation? If they didn't at least view them as SOMEWHAT of a threat, why would they even bother?
You're assuming a good business decision, first of all.

That's a poor assumption, once again founded in "Well they've got a lot of money, so they must be doing the right thing!" assertion.

And then, of course, there is the monopoly principle. Just because it's not threatening doesn't mean it's not in their best interest to squash it.

But you're working on a two-tiered assumption that provides multiple explanations...All because you seem to be taking leaps of faith to justify the WWE's prowess.
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Old 01-11-2006, 04:09 PM   #67
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You're assuming a good business decision, first of all.

That's a poor assumption, once again founded in "Well they've got a lot of money, so they must be doing the right thing!" assertion.

And then, of course, there is the monopoly principle. Just because it's not threatening doesn't mean it's not in their best interest to squash it.

But you're working on a two-tiered assumption that provides multiple explanations...All because you seem to be taking leaps of faith to justify the WWE's prowess.
I did it.....for The Rock.
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That was so random
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ABT lost?
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Old 01-12-2006, 03:01 AM   #72
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I wouldn't say it was a loss as much as it was a recognition that Kane Knight refuses to even concede an inkling of a point. Why bother?
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:04 AM   #73
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It's the networks goal to improve the ratrings.

Not Vince's, well not anymore as the ratings don't make a shit bit of difference to his pocket anymore
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So this is why they signed Haas then, oh well to bad.It's a stupid business decision if you ask me, and it shows that they are accepting that they are not creative enough to come up with storylines that are interesting and are unable follow them through to the end.WWE will not last much longer at this rate,the only reason why WWE still has this many PPV's/tv shows is because of their success in the past.
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So this is why they signed Haas then, oh well to bad.It's a stupid business decision if you ask me, and it shows that they are accepting that they are not creative enough to come up with storylines that are interesting and are unable follow them through to the end.WWE will not last much longer at this rate,the only reason why WWE still has this many PPV's/tv shows is because of their success in the past.
Apparently TNA had no interest in Hass what so ever. This is more about Jamie Nobel
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I wouldn't say it was a loss as much as it was a recognition that Kane Knight refuses to even concede an inkling of a point. Why bother?
You're making an argument that isn't to the point of the matter.

They're still doing well, that doesn't prove that they're making good business decisions. I've even conceded your points, it's just that they're irrelevent. But oh wah. This is another Kane Knight Konspiracy. Boo hoo~ He won't ever admit he's wrong.

Being the best out of two TV promotions only proves that you're doing better than the other guy. It doesn't prove you're good. Being the highest rated show on one station, or on cable doesn't prove that you're doing good business.

The WWE's a monopoly; they've got a lot of money and so there's a long way to fall.

but please, don't complain that I won't concede anything (When I already have) if you cannot argue your point that this is a smart business strategy. You're wandering off on tangents trying to prove something which relies on an inherrent falsehood.
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All I was saying originally is that an attempt to hold on to your talent, whether you plan on using them or not, is a good business strategy. The "big bucks" thing wasn't supposed to be related to this directly, but rather a notion that they have been doing something or other right over an extended period of time.

As far as the WWE being a monopoly, I'm not sure I quite agree with that either. They may be the only prominent wrestling company, but they definitely are not the only prominent entertainment company.
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