MLB 2005-2006 Offseason Thread - Page 38

**VonErich Lives** · 02-01-2006, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

Hot internet rumor today, probably BS though

Red Sox get:
OF/1B Xavier Nady
OF Lastings Milledge (AA)

Nationals get:
SP Matt Clement
SS Alex Cora

Mets get:
2B Jose Vidro
RP Jay Bergmann

Isn't Milledge one of if not their "top" prospect?

I can see the Red Sox OF of the future...

Milledge, Crisp & Ellsbury...

they get rid of Clements contract, although I do feel you can never have enough SP's and he was a 1st half all star.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-01-2006, 08:46 PM

hey miz, have a link or source?

Haven't heard anything around here, although we probably wont, the Sox are on this big "lock down" since Theo came back, because part of the reason Theo walked was his "closed door negotiaitons" were word for word in the boston globe (who owns part of the sox).

The deal to bring theo back was Lucchino, Epstien, Warner & Henry, they figured this was if there was a leak, it would be easy to find out who it was.

They've gone as far as they now "refuse to comment on hypotheticals" so unless something has already happened "no comment".

**VonErich Lives** · 02-01-2006, 08:48 PM

heh, Red Sox signed Enrique Wilson, that's what the radio is reporting via rotoworld or rotonews...

What's funny is a few years ago Manny got a ton of crap because he missed a sox v. yankees game with a "sore throat" and rather then be at the game, he met Wilson at a boston bar during the game.

Guess this is a "make manny happy" move.

**OssMan** · 02-01-2006, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

Hot internet rumor today, probably BS though

Red Sox get:
OF/1B Xavier Nady
OF Lastings Milledge (AA)

Nationals get:
SP Matt Clement
SS Alex Cora

Mets get:
2B Jose Vidro
RP Jay Bergmann

This is a total bull shit trade (well, a bad trade for the Mets) because the Mets are not going to give up the same guy they wouldn't give up for Manny Ramirez to get a 32 year old 2B with a broken leg and another relief pitcher. The rumor I heard was Livan Hernandez instead of Jay Bergmann though which is still a terrible trade and adds more confusion to the Mets rotation but it is better than another bullpen arm I guess.

And yes VEL Milledge is top prospect for Mets and ranked in top 10 of prospects this year. No idea how he is still with the Mets a few years after they drafted him

**YOUR Hero** · 02-02-2006, 12:35 AM

Sounds like the Nats are going to give Soriano what he wants.

**The Miz** · 02-02-2006, 05:14 PM

Cubs have asked about Graffanino, Red Sox would be wise to move him based on how full their bench is and how little he would probably contribute anyway. They'll carry 12 pitchers so with Bard/Flaherty, Youkilis/Snow, Cora, and Mohr there really isn't room for him, especially when Kapler gets back and if Pedroia gets called up.

**VonErich Lives** · 02-03-2006, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

Cubs have asked about Graffanino, Red Sox would be wise to move him based on how full their bench is and how little he would probably contribute anyway. They'll carry 12 pitchers so with Bard/Flaherty, Youkilis/Snow, Cora, and Mohr there really isn't room for him, especially when Kapler gets back and if Pedroia gets called up.

Don't forget Wilson, he'll be the new "Manny Friend" with Millar gone.

I don't see Pedroia getting called up, not yet, not with the log jamb and Dunno about trading Graffanino, wouldn't be shocked to see him stick around.

Also, there was a new Manny trade rumor today, was a deal that the Angels suposivly turned down, I forget what it was, but it was stacked in the sox favor, 2 players, 2 prospects and the Angels take Mannys full contract, no cash.

**Dragon** · 02-03-2006, 03:40 PM

Yeah, I think it was Chone Figgins, Ervin Santana, and then two prospects for Manny.

**The Miz** · 02-03-2006, 08:13 PM

Yeah Manny isn't going anywhere. They offered the Angels a deal they would never even think of accepting so then they can say to Manny, "See, we're trying to trade you!"

**The Miz** · 02-03-2006, 08:51 PM

lol holy shit this might be the worst baseball article I've ever read http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...s/sports01.txt

**VonErich Lives** · 02-04-2006, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

lol holy shit this might be the worst baseball article I've ever read http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...s/sports01.txt

not a fan of the ledger myself, but just wondering what you found so bad about the article?

**VonErich Lives** · 02-04-2006, 03:33 AM

I should add it's a local/town paper, primary focus is on a few towns on the south shore so I woud doubt they have much "top talent" working there.

**The Miz** · 02-04-2006, 10:37 AM

He used W-L by month to judge a reliever's effectiveness.

"He was up and down all season: 1-0 in April, 0-2 in May, 1-0 in June, 0-1 in July, 1-0 in August, and 0-1 in September and October"

As useless as the W-L stat is for starters, it's twice as useless for relievers.

"Hard to imagine what Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein was thinking when he agreed to take on Riske, who had an 8.10 ERA against Boston, 18.00 against its left-handers."

So because about 3 out of the 72 innings he pitched this year were bad, the Red Sox shouldn't have gotten him. Awesome. If Crisp hit .000 (0-3) at Fenway Park I guess he sucks and the Red Sox shouldn't have gotten him.

**YOUR Hero** · 02-04-2006, 12:45 PM

yeah, pretty much a waste of time reading that article.

I see Nomar has now withdrawn from the WBC as well too. Wants to concentrate on being healthy, etc.

Garciaparra withdraws from World Baseball Classic

February 3, 2006

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Nomar Garciaparra decided not to play for Mexico in the World Baseball Classic next month, pulling out of the international tournament to concentrate on switching positions with his new team. The 32-year-old Garciaparra, who signed a free-agent contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers in December, issued a statement through the team on Friday

"While I am honored to have been asked to participate, at this point, I believe it is really important for me to concentrate on the year ahead," he said. "Given all that I have been through with my health the past couple of years, and now with changing both teams and positions, I feel this is the time for me to focus on doing my best for the Dodgers, my new teammates and the wonderful fans in Los Angeles.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

**Loose Cannon** · 02-04-2006, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FakeRazor

Sierra sucks, but for some reason he always gets a big hit. I don't get it.

no he doesn't. It just seems that way with him. He comes through just as much as he doesn't come through.

**The Miz** · 02-04-2006, 01:39 PM

Sierra has been shit for 10 years now tbh

**The Miz** · 02-04-2006, 01:56 PM

A very reliable Angels site is reporting Weaver has signed with them

**YOUR Hero** · 02-04-2006, 02:50 PM

Odd, I was looking over the list of remaining free agents and I stopped and thought of Weaver (again). Wondering what's holding back his signing.

**The Miz** · 02-04-2006, 03:43 PM

The fact that he isn't good?

**YOUR Hero** · 02-05-2006, 12:28 AM

We could go over this again.
But he's hardly removed from being the best young arm/prospect in baseball.
He makes too much money IMO, but he's still an asset to any team.

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 12:57 AM

Any team, no. The Angels, desperate for a #5 guy, yes.

No one even thought about Weaver until now because he lowered his asking price to a one-year deal, the only deal he should ever get. His 5 or 6 year ask earlier in the offseason was a joke.

I was on his bandwagon for a while early in his career but I'm tired of making excuses for him. He's always been a #5 starter and that's all he ever will be.

**YOUR Hero** · 02-05-2006, 01:05 AM

I don't know of too many #5 starters that rack up 220+ inings of work, or post a 1.15ish WHIP. He gives up too many hits, but still posts a very respectful WHIP

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 01:34 AM

Last year was he only year his WHIP was that good, and it was offset by the fact that he gave up more than one home run per start.

1.32 career WHIP. 4.44 career ERA. Last 2 years in the NL, ERA's of 4.01 and 4.22. Classic #5 numbers

**YOUR Hero** · 02-05-2006, 01:47 AM

You are picking and choosing your stats.

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 01:49 AM

Career ERA and WHIP is picking and choosing?

**YOUR Hero** · 02-05-2006, 02:10 AM

220+ innings, 150+ K's every year. Those aren't #5 starter stats.

**BCWWF** · 02-05-2006, 03:44 AM

I would also throw in that since he left Detroit he has been in major markets with increased pressure to be great. He could still pan out to be a solid pitcher somewhere.

**CNM** · 02-05-2006, 03:48 AM

Weaver is a solid pitcher right now. He just will never be great like people thought he'd be. I'd say he's at least a #3, but doesn't deserve anywhere close to as much money as he was asking for.

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 12:56 PM

You underrate the rest of the league then. Out of the "class of the AL" (Yanks, Red Sox, White Sox, Twins, Indians, Angels and A's), only the Indians and Angels would have a spot for him in their rotation, acting as the #5 guy in both. Yeah he'd be a #2 or #3 on some other teams, so would Scott Elarton and Brett Tomko. When I say he's a #5, I mean he's at best a #5 on almost any team with any chance of a playoff berth.

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

I would also throw in that since he left Detroit he has been in major markets with increased pressure to be great. He could still pan out to be a solid pitcher somewhere.

So your saying Weaver is only valuable if he's pitching in Kansas City or Pittsburgh? Awesome, I'd love to have him on my team. If he can't produce in a pressure-situation, what playoff-contending team would want him?

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 01:14 PM

Weaver is also going to get Bronson Arroyo treatment and face lineups stacked with lefties, because Weaver has never gotten a lefty out in his life. His line against lefties last year (yes these are all NL lefties, and none of them are Barry Bonds)

.309/.369/.506/.875

I don't like his chances against the A's and Rangers lefty-stacked lineups. Macha will likely line up Bradley/Kotsay/Chavez/Johnson/Swisher in a row against Weaver and they will feast on him. I don't want to even begin to think about what will happen when the Angels go to Texas' ballpark and Weaver has to face Teixeira, Blalock, Wilkerson, and Dellucci.

While I'm looking at his splits, his career AL ERA is 4.59, WHIP 1.36

**BCWWF** · 02-05-2006, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Miz

So your saying Weaver is only valuable if he's pitching in Kansas City or Pittsburgh? Awesome, I'd love to have him on my team. If he can't produce in a pressure-situation, what playoff-contending team would want him?

No, I'm saying that when you are rated a top prospect and developing in a Detroit, it's quite a bit different than being a top prospect and developing with the Yankees.

I'm not saying that he can never pitch in a normal market, I'm just saying that his development was hindered or slowed down by the trade to New York. The last couple years are probably not the best way to judge that he will never be more than a fifth starter.

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 05:21 PM

I don't know too many pitchers who were average/below average for the first 7 years of their career and then suddenly became great at age 30. It can happen but the chances are slim

**YOUR Hero** · 02-05-2006, 05:24 PM

OMG, I'm agreeing with BCWWF!

**BCWWF** · 02-05-2006, 05:33 PM

I never said great, I just said there is still room to improve

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 05:37 PM

We'll see. You've stated how its possible for guys who weren't developed correctly can bounce back, is it possibly for a guy who has been consistently dominated by LH hitters his whole career suddenly figure out how to get them out? Making 3 or 4 starts each against Texas and Oakland isn't going to help.

**YOUR Hero** · 02-05-2006, 06:00 PM

Read that the White Sox are potentially looking to trade for Abreu. They'd trade Dye and Contreas for Abreu. Ouch

**The Miz** · 02-05-2006, 06:13 PM

That rumor was shot down by a ton of people (including Kenny Williams) a few days ago. If I were the White Sox I'd pull the trigger on it with no hesitation.

**YOUR Hero** · 02-05-2006, 06:26 PM

Agreed. If that trade was offered by the Phillies, I'd not hesitate.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 02-06-2006, 09:04 PM

Blue Jays sign Benjie Molina to a 1 year 4.5 million dollar contract with an option for a second year at 7.5

I'm really happy with what the team looks like this year but I'm really worried that there is too much turnover in players

02-01-2006, 08:46 PM	#1482
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	hey miz, have a link or source? Haven't heard anything around here, although we probably wont, the Sox are on this big "lock down" since Theo came back, because part of the reason Theo walked was his "closed door negotiaitons" were word for word in the boston globe (who owns part of the sox). The deal to bring theo back was Lucchino, Epstien, Warner & Henry, they figured this was if there was a leak, it would be easy to find out who it was. They've gone as far as they now "refuse to comment on hypotheticals" so unless something has already happened "no comment".

02-01-2006, 08:48 PM	#1483
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	heh, Red Sox signed Enrique Wilson, that's what the radio is reporting via rotoworld or rotonews... What's funny is a few years ago Manny got a ton of crap because he missed a sox v. yankees game with a "sore throat" and rather then be at the game, he met Wilson at a boston bar during the game. Guess this is a "make manny happy" move.

02-02-2006, 12:35 AM	#1485
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Sounds like the Nats are going to give Soriano what he wants.

02-02-2006, 05:14 PM	#1486
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Cubs have asked about Graffanino, Red Sox would be wise to move him based on how full their bench is and how little he would probably contribute anyway. They'll carry 12 pitchers so with Bard/Flaherty, Youkilis/Snow, Cora, and Mohr there really isn't room for him, especially when Kapler gets back and if Pedroia gets called up.

02-03-2006, 03:40 PM	#1488
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Yeah, I think it was Chone Figgins, Ervin Santana, and then two prospects for Manny.

02-03-2006, 08:13 PM	#1489
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Yeah Manny isn't going anywhere. They offered the Angels a deal they would never even think of accepting so then they can say to Manny, "See, we're trying to trade you!"

02-03-2006, 08:51 PM	#1490
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	lol holy shit this might be the worst baseball article I've ever read http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...s/sports01.txt

02-04-2006, 03:33 AM	#1492
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	I should add it's a local/town paper, primary focus is on a few towns on the south shore so I woud doubt they have much "top talent" working there.

02-04-2006, 10:37 AM	#1493
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	He used W-L by month to judge a reliever's effectiveness. "He was up and down all season: 1-0 in April, 0-2 in May, 1-0 in June, 0-1 in July, 1-0 in August, and 0-1 in September and October" As useless as the W-L stat is for starters, it's twice as useless for relievers. "Hard to imagine what Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein was thinking when he agreed to take on Riske, who had an 8.10 ERA against Boston, 18.00 against its left-handers." So because about 3 out of the 72 innings he pitched this year were bad, the Red Sox shouldn't have gotten him. Awesome. If Crisp hit .000 (0-3) at Fenway Park I guess he sucks and the Red Sox shouldn't have gotten him.

02-04-2006, 01:39 PM	#1496
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Sierra has been shit for 10 years now tbh

02-04-2006, 01:56 PM	#1497
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	A very reliable Angels site is reporting Weaver has signed with them

02-04-2006, 02:50 PM	#1498
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Odd, I was looking over the list of remaining free agents and I stopped and thought of Weaver (again). Wondering what's holding back his signing.

02-04-2006, 03:43 PM	#1499
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	The fact that he isn't good?

02-05-2006, 12:28 AM	#1500
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	We could go over this again. But he's hardly removed from being the best young arm/prospect in baseball. He makes too much money IMO, but he's still an asset to any team.

02-05-2006, 12:57 AM	#1501
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Any team, no. The Angels, desperate for a #5 guy, yes. No one even thought about Weaver until now because he lowered his asking price to a one-year deal, the only deal he should ever get. His 5 or 6 year ask earlier in the offseason was a joke. I was on his bandwagon for a while early in his career but I'm tired of making excuses for him. He's always been a #5 starter and that's all he ever will be.

02-05-2006, 01:05 AM	#1502
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I don't know of too many #5 starters that rack up 220+ inings of work, or post a 1.15ish WHIP. He gives up too many hits, but still posts a very respectful WHIP

02-05-2006, 01:34 AM	#1503
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Last year was he only year his WHIP was that good, and it was offset by the fact that he gave up more than one home run per start. 1.32 career WHIP. 4.44 career ERA. Last 2 years in the NL, ERA's of 4.01 and 4.22. Classic #5 numbers

02-05-2006, 01:47 AM	#1504
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	You are picking and choosing your stats.

02-05-2006, 01:49 AM	#1505
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Career ERA and WHIP is picking and choosing?

02-05-2006, 02:10 AM	#1506
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	220+ innings, 150+ K's every year. Those aren't #5 starter stats.

02-05-2006, 03:44 AM	#1507
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I would also throw in that since he left Detroit he has been in major markets with increased pressure to be great. He could still pan out to be a solid pitcher somewhere.

02-05-2006, 03:48 AM	#1508
CNM Posts: 2,540	Weaver is a solid pitcher right now. He just will never be great like people thought he'd be. I'd say he's at least a #3, but doesn't deserve anywhere close to as much money as he was asking for.

02-05-2006, 12:56 PM	#1509
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	You underrate the rest of the league then. Out of the "class of the AL" (Yanks, Red Sox, White Sox, Twins, Indians, Angels and A's), only the Indians and Angels would have a spot for him in their rotation, acting as the #5 guy in both. Yeah he'd be a #2 or #3 on some other teams, so would Scott Elarton and Brett Tomko. When I say he's a #5, I mean he's at best a #5 on almost any team with any chance of a playoff berth.

02-05-2006, 01:14 PM	#1511
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	Weaver is also going to get Bronson Arroyo treatment and face lineups stacked with lefties, because Weaver has never gotten a lefty out in his life. His line against lefties last year (yes these are all NL lefties, and none of them are Barry Bonds) .309/.369/.506/.875 I don't like his chances against the A's and Rangers lefty-stacked lineups. Macha will likely line up Bradley/Kotsay/Chavez/Johnson/Swisher in a row against Weaver and they will feast on him. I don't want to even begin to think about what will happen when the Angels go to Texas' ballpark and Weaver has to face Teixeira, Blalock, Wilkerson, and Dellucci. While I'm looking at his splits, his career AL ERA is 4.59, WHIP 1.36

02-05-2006, 05:21 PM	#1513
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	I don't know too many pitchers who were average/below average for the first 7 years of their career and then suddenly became great at age 30. It can happen but the chances are slim

02-05-2006, 05:24 PM	#1514
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	OMG, I'm agreeing with BCWWF!

02-05-2006, 05:33 PM	#1515
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I never said great, I just said there is still room to improve

02-05-2006, 05:37 PM	#1516
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	We'll see. You've stated how its possible for guys who weren't developed correctly can bounce back, is it possibly for a guy who has been consistently dominated by LH hitters his whole career suddenly figure out how to get them out? Making 3 or 4 starts each against Texas and Oakland isn't going to help.

02-05-2006, 06:00 PM	#1517
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Read that the White Sox are potentially looking to trade for Abreu. They'd trade Dye and Contreas for Abreu. Ouch

02-05-2006, 06:13 PM	#1518
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	That rumor was shot down by a ton of people (including Kenny Williams) a few days ago. If I were the White Sox I'd pull the trigger on it with no hesitation.