So... What? *RAW spoilers*

[Pepsi Man]

Originally Posted by Fryza The original TLC (for the tag belts) had the title, but lately I've noticed that it seems to me just to be a hardcore match (and the tables, ladders, and chairs being supplied). In my defense, I did not see Flair/Edge TLC (believe that was a RAW), so if he DID climb a ladder, that's fine. How many spots were they he fell from the ladder? Sold a move from the top of the ladder? Did a move off the ladder? I doubt many- if any at all. RVD will do them. Shelton will do them. Carlito can do them. Flair? Flair can climb the ladder and knock people off it, but he can't go off the ladder. Fans aren't expecting a wrestling match here, they're expecting a lot of fast moves, flashy moves, and high-flying moves. Flair can't deliver there, so it seems out of place from him to be there.

I dunno, that superplex from near the top seemed pretty good to me, although I can't seem to remember who superplexed who. I think Flair was the aggressor, but STILL.

Also, I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a TLC match in which the title wasn't suspended above the ring, apart from in video games.

[Fryza]

Originally Posted by Pepsi Man I dunno, that superplex from near the top seemed pretty good to me, although I can't seem to remember who superplexed who. I think Flair was the aggressor, but STILL. Also, I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a TLC match in which the title wasn't suspended above the ring, apart from in video games.

Then the TLC match on RAW was for Edge's world title. Okay, now I know where the pieces are fitting.

Nonetheless, this is not the kind of match Flair should be partaking in. A one-on-one ladder match is MUCH different than a six-man ladder match. Flair will have to take a LOT of bumps from the ladder, to the ladder, with the ladder, on the ladder... At his age, that's pretty damn fatal. Have you watched him the last few weeks? Flair is visibly getting older, and it'll be hard to sell for a lot these moves. No good. I'd like to see the timeline work as such:

-Next few RAWs leading up to SNME, Flair taunts Carlito, getting into his head, maybe costing him matches.
-At SNME, Carlito wins a match that puts him in the MitB match over Flair.
-Carlito wins the MitB, Hunter wins the title.
-Carlito taunts around the MitB win over RAW, gets in some scuffs with Hunter, but nothing big. Hunter/Cena program continues.
-Two months after WM, Cena gets his rematch against Hunter. Carlito comes to the ring and hits Hunter with the briefcase, giving Cena the win. After the match, he hits Cena with the case, cashing in the contract, wins the title.
-The next night, he defends against Cena, but Hunter costs the match. Hunter doesn't get a rematch though, since the title changed hands prior.
-Carlito begins getting cocky, eventually gets challenged to a match by Flair, Carlito cheats to win.
-Flair says he wants a shot against Carlito, but is stopped by Hunter. Hunter says he should get a shot first since he never g ot a rematch. A number one contendor's match is made, which Cena costs Hunter the match (returning the favor, still setting up the two to feud).
-Over the next few weeks, Carlito continually gets the better of Flair, using weapons or requesting help from Masters. Finally, at say SummerSlam (if my timeline would be right), we have Flair/Carlito for the title, which is a singles match that goes for about twenty minutes. Flair wins via Figure Four.

From there, Flair would hold the title for awhile (defeating Carlito in his rematch, Masters, etc etc) until he later drops it to Hunter, and they could work it from there.

That's just how I think it should be though. It doesn't take any real momentum from Carlito, but gives Flair is his last run.

[Pepsi Man]

Originally Posted by Fryza Then the TLC match on RAW was for Edge's world title. Okay, now I know where the pieces are fitting. Nonetheless, this is not the kind of match Flair should be partaking in. A one-on-one ladder match is MUCH different than a six-man ladder match. Flair will have to take a LOT of bumps from the ladder, to the ladder, with the ladder, on the ladder... At his age, that's pretty damn fatal. Have you watched him the last few weeks? Flair is visibly getting older, and it'll be hard to sell for a lot these moves. No good. I'd like to see the timeline work as such: -Next few RAWs leading up to SNME, Flair taunts Carlito, getting into his head, maybe costing him matches. -At SNME, Carlito wins a match that puts him in the MitB match over Flair. -Carlito wins the MitB, Hunter wins the title. -Carlito taunts around the MitB win over RAW, gets in some scuffs with Hunter, but nothing big. Hunter/Cena program continues. -Two months after WM, Cena gets his rematch against Hunter. Carlito comes to the ring and hits Hunter with the briefcase, giving Cena the win. After the match, he hits Cena with the case, cashing in the contract, wins the title. -The next night, he defends against Cena, but Hunter costs the match. Hunter doesn't get a rematch though, since the title changed hands prior. -Carlito begins getting cocky, eventually gets challenged to a match by Flair, Carlito cheats to win. -Flair says he wants a shot against Carlito, but is stopped by Hunter. Hunter says he should get a shot first since he never g ot a rematch. A number one contendor's match is made, which Cena costs Hunter the match (returning the favor, still setting up the two to feud). -Over the next few weeks, Carlito continually gets the better of Flair, using weapons or requesting help from Masters. Finally, at say SummerSlam (if my timeline would be right), we have Flair/Carlito for the title, which is a singles match that goes for about twenty minutes. Flair wins via Figure Four. From there, Flair would hold the title for awhile (defeating Carlito in his rematch, Masters, etc etc) until he later drops it to Hunter, and they could work it from there. That's just how I think it should be though. It doesn't take any real momentum from Carlito, but gives Flair is his last run.

If anything, it's easier to cover one guy in a six man ladder match. Flair would have to take LESS of a beating and all.

[Fryza]

Originally Posted by Pepsi Man If anything, it's easier to cover one guy in a six man ladder match. Flair would have to take LESS of a beating and all.

Yes, in six-way, three group of two. However, that means there will always be at least one free man to get you off the ladder. Not many ways for Flair to continually come down.

And CI- if it's a three-way dance, I will officially mark out less for MitB. Two triple threats at WrestleManie? I dunno, sounds a little bland to me.

[Pepsi Man]

Originally Posted by Fryza Yes, in six-way, three group of two. However, that means there will always be at least one free man to get you off the ladder. Not many ways for Flair to continually come down. And CI- if it's a three-way dance, I will officially mark out less for MitB. Two triple threats at WrestleManie? I dunno, sounds a little bland to me.

Flair doesn't have to continuously be the one climbing the ladder, though. He can work a few guys over more and maybe climb it a time or two, instead of getting thrown off of it every other second.

[Fryza]

Originally Posted by Pepsi Man Flair doesn't have to continuously be the one climbing the ladder, though. He can work a few guys over more and maybe climb it a time or two, instead of getting thrown off of it every other second.

I'm not directly saying Flair COULDN'T work the match, but that fans are going to expect a lot of high spots that Flair can't deliver, which means that Van Dam and Shelton will have to slow down the pace of match to deal with Flair, which would be avoided switching Flair with Carlito.

[Pepsi Man]

Originally Posted by Fryza I'm not directly saying Flair COULDN'T work the match, but that fans are going to expect a lot of high spots that Flair can't deliver, which means that Van Dam and Shelton will have to slow down the pace of match to deal with Flair, which would be avoided switching Flair with Carlito.

Are you saying that unexpected automatically = bad?