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Old 06-16-2006, 12:11 AM   #1
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The Dbacks pay for the contract with Ortiz.



Which is why I said I would have rather bought a hot air ballon.
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jays take 3 of 4. and gaudin was awful for us
 
Old 06-16-2006, 12:43 AM   #3
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He pitched 5 games for you, 3 starts. He was 22, what do you expect? The fact is he had a 3.35 ERA in 23 starts in AAA, and had dominated A and AA in the Devil Rays organization. You don't trade a guy like that because he has few crap ML starts, especially when he has the kind of stuff Gaudin does. He was a young pitcher with huge upside, but more importantly, he was pitching depth. You had two huge injury concerns in Burnett and Halladay, every team needs extra starting pitching but especially you guys. Now Burnett and Chacin are out and you have to rely on minor leaguers while Gaudin has been excellent in his set-up role in Oakland.

But hey, at least you got a 25-year old outfielder who is still in A-ball for him. Nice trade
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When I was at the Twins/Red Sox game the other day, Ortiz hit a foul ball into an air vent, it was pretty sick. At least most of his rips stayed foul this week.
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o.k halladay got a ball hit off him so he's not a concern. Who cares what number gaudin put up in the minors.
 
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and gaudin is 0-2 with an era over 4 with 1 more strikeout than walk so don't give me that crap
 
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and gaudin is 0-2 with an era over 4 with 1 more strikeout than walk so don't give me that crap
Everybody has bad spells, fuck look at Dontrelle Willis, he's start to get it together recently but back in may he had an era over 6 and lost 6 straight decisions! A few of those were due to shitty Florida offense admitedly.
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Everybody has bad spells, fuck look at Dontrelle Willis, he's start to get it together recently but back in may he had an era over 6 and lost 6 straight decisions! A few of those were due to shitty Florida offense admitedly.
dontrelle plays on the worst team in the majors
 
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3-6, 4.39

his team sucks though so it doesn't matter.
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I was just talking to my friend tonight about something that kind of ties into an attitude like Gertners. Last year, the Twins were just about .500 and within a shot of the wildcard, and myself and just about all other Twins fans were demanding Terry Ryan trade for a veteran. I wanted Ken Griffey Jr., for example. But now, I think about what the Twins would be like with Griffey, and it would just be a mess. Instead, they have three young players who are the future of the team, two amazing starting pitchers, a solid bullpen and a good chance to get back into the playoffs in the next two or so years.

Patience really does pay off. The Twins could have made more high profile signings in the offseason, but they didn't need to. They signed a few questionable vets, they played their role and now they are being released and the future steps in. It's not the best season in recent memory, but I would much rather rely on guys like Mauer, Morneau and Kubel than free agents.

The same thing basically happened with the A's. They let the core of their team go, Tejada, Dye, Hudson, Mulder etc., and let their young guys develop. Now, if not this year they should be a sure shot in the playoffs next year, and it's because they didn't get greedy and give up on prospects.

So if you want to go ahead and trade the future for average journeymen, go for it. I don't think anybody else in the AL East is going to notice.
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Are you seriously judging a relief pitcher by win-loss? Bob Wickman was 0-4 last year and was one of the top 3 or 4 closers in the AL. Gaudin's ERA is not great, but many of the runs he gave up came early in the season when he either didn't have a defined role or was the mop-up guy. Since he became a set-up guy he has been great. And yes, he does have a problem walking too many guys. I'm not saying you traded away Francisco Liriano, but Gaudin is a young pitcher with excellent stuff and would have provided starting depth for you guys. He is unquestionably better than your #5 starters.

Do you really not care what guys minor league stats look like? Gee, why didn't you get the Toronto GM job instead of Riccardi?
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Are you seriously judging a relief pitcher by win-loss? Bob Wickman was 0-4 last year and was one of the top 3 or 4 closers in the AL. Gaudin's ERA is not great, but many of the runs he gave up came early in the season when he either didn't have a defined role or was the mop-up guy. Since he became a set-up guy he has been great. And yes, he does have a problem walking too many guys. I'm not saying you traded away Francisco Liriano, but Gaudin is a young pitcher with excellent stuff and would have provided starting depth for you guys. He is unquestionably better than your #5 starters.

Do you really not care what guys minor league stats look like? Gee, why didn't you get the Toronto GM job instead of Riccardi?
HE"S GOT ONE MORE STIRKEOUT THAN WALK!!!!!!!!


so if a guy doesn't have a role he is allowed to give up runs? Please. He's garbage
 
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I think he does this purposely just to argue with us.
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age 23, 4.43 ERA, 20 H, 17 BB, 18 K, 22 IP, opponents hitting .233
age 23, 5.68 ERA, 24 H, 10 BB, 15 K, 19 IP, opponents hitting .308
age 30, 5.64 ERA, 26 H, 17 BB, 24 K, 30 IP, opponents hitting .234

Which set of stats do you like better? I'll take the first set, Gaudin's, over the 2 guys who have been Toronto's 5th starter. The point of my post was that you had a decent 5th starter and you traded him away for nothing. That's why you don't trade away pitching depth, you never know if Chacin will get injured and Towers will forget how to pitch.

If he's garbage than Downs and Taubenheim must be lower than whale shit. But if you want to continue to pretend that Gaudin sucks and you didn't lose that trade go ahead, it's not going to fix your rotation problems.
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scott downs is a better pitcher than chad gaudin
 
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lol, the 30-year-old with a career ERA over 5 mostly pitching in the National League? Go home
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Scott Dwons proved himself last year. Gaudin has never proved himself in teh bigs
 
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Maybe because he's 23 and was only drafted in 2001? When Gaudin is 30 lets see who the better pitcher is.
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I think Terrence Long is better than Lastings Milledge because Long has proven himself in the majors.
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no you are sayign that Gaudin would be a better 5th starter RIGHT NOW, which he wouldn't be. he could barly get the ball over the plate here and he's doing the same for your A's
 
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Now, now, SURE Terrance Long might not have the greatest arm, but he could PROBABLY get it over the plate.
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I like how you pick and choose stats. Gaudin clearly has a walks problem, but he's fine in the other, more important categories. Less hits than innings, almost a K per inning, low batting avg. against, oh yeah, and HIS ERA IS OVER A FULL RUN LOWER THAN DOWNS'. I'll take Gaudin's walks problem over Downs giving-up-a-shit-load-of-runs problem.

Gaudin is a better pitcher in the short-term and in the long-term.
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taubenheim looked good tonight
 
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Lester with his first career win 2niiite Papelbon also got his 21st save NIIICE

I am going to the Red Sox game on Monday, dunno who is gonna pitch, it was suppose to be Clement but he went on the DL. Gabe Kapler took his spot on the roster lol, Red Sox bench is in rough shape. This season started out great but as more and more shit piles on my feelings are getting worse and worse. They are still doing alright, they are right in the thick of things in the AL east race and there has been a lot of bright spots; Lowell has been doing well, Youkilis has been doing great and I don't even need to mention Papelbon. There has also been a lot of bad shit though; Coco isn't a lead off hitter at all, Loretta seems to be declining, Gonzo has great D but is batting about .200, Veritek has not been up to his usual self (I think he has a slight injury that isn't telling anyone about myself) and "Ortiz shift" has taken away about 30 hits from Ortiz (He is still putting up great stats even with that tho)

So while the Sky isn't falling, the season is not going as good as I hoped it would be right now, if nothing else, what I've seen from the young pitchers has been pretty encouraging. With the Red Sox payroll, and the farm system pumping out good young arms, the future looks pretty legit.
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I wouldn't call it nice. The Braves suck balls, remember?
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lol you speak the truth my friend.

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Seattle Mariners is also an acceptable answer. I went to the game tonite, Bonds took Felix deep but watching him get K'd by Putz to end the game was worth the price of admission. Thank god we get to play NL teams the next couple weeks, might actually be able to pick up some W's.
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Yeah my friends and I were making plans to go so the BoSox this week, but I'm kinda glad we didn't.
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Wow...the Angels are retarded

With Bartolo Colon coming off the DL, they send down rookie phenom Jered Weaver (4-0, 1.37 ERA in nearly 30 innings) instead of bumping the worse Weaver into the bullpen and sending down a reliever
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Just wait. They play the Braves next week. Winning will come like clockwork.
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Old 06-18-2006, 01:34 PM   #38
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We get BoSox/Braves tonight in the UK, not seen Smoltzy pitch in a few years!
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Old 06-18-2006, 01:36 PM   #39
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He'll probably pitch decent, but I imagine that the BoSox get the win on a count of the Braves not being able to hit Schilling.
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jesus christ. twice in the 1st inning the jays had bases loaded. 0 Fucking runs
 
 
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