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07-13-2006, 11:14 AM
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Even Penn and Teller's bullshit is often questionable though. It's kind of like refuting Ann Coulter with Michael Moore or vice versa. They may not be accurate, but to refer to the other guy just makes you the pot calling the kettle black.
Their show on Global Warming, for example, seems great until you actually look at the facts, and that they distort some facts for their point. Such as the notion people used to believe in global cooling (Which was not a wideley believed statement, or even remotely so). Basically, just do your homework, folks. |
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07-13-2006, 12:20 PM
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Where does homosexuality come from? Many people may feel that perhaps God made them gay, i.e. that they were born gay. They may honestly not remember any conscious decision to be gay. Our inheritance of a sin nature is relevant to the discussion of the roots of homosexuality. We are born with a tendency to rebel against God, with hearts that are prone to lust, pride, sexual immorality, idolatry and other evils (Matthew 15:19). So, for example, it is possible to be born with a tendency toward homosexual desires, just as it is possible to be born with a tendency toward pride, or love of money or any other type of sin. Though each of us has weaknesses toward particular sins, God still expects us to resist temptations in those areas and rely on his power for strength to keep sin from ruling us (Genesis 4:7, Romans 6:11-14). Being the opportunist that he is, Satan tempts each of us according to our particular weaknesses. He is a master at orchestrating events in our lives to tempt us into false conclusions about God and our identity. An area that seems to be common in the development of homosexual tendencies is dysfunctional relationships. It often starts early in life with unhealthy relationships with parents, siblings and peers, which cause emotional wounds. Here are some example factors in childhood relationships that can be influential in sexual development: Abuse (sexual, emotional, physical, spiritual) Parental problems: Absent, detached, uninterested, overbearing or controlling; lack of gender affirmation Betrayal Ridicule or teasing from peers Sex play with same-sex peers Rejection Abandonment Lack of nurture Loneliness Another area to consider is generational sin. The Bible mentions the concept of generational curses in several places. The idea is that the consequences of one generation’s sin can be visited on future generations (usually up to the third and fourth generation). Just as we inherit a sin nature from Adam, we also may inherit sin tendencies from our more recent ancestors. It is not uncommon for patterns of sexual dysfunction like homosexuality to run down the family tree. For more information, see our generational sin page. Other factors that can contribute to homosexual development include societal pressures, pornography, masturbation, demonic influences and an amoral belief system (see Dr. David K. Foster’s Sexual Healing, chapter 6, for a detailed explanation of these factors). Homosexual tendencies can be fed from these kinds of roots, yet it is still up to the individual to decide whether to yield to the temptations. It usually doesn’t happen over night, but rather over years. As people progress through the teen years, they inevitably will be presented with the powerful feelings associated with their sexual development. This period typically offers prime opportunities for the enemy to persuade a person that he or she “is gay” and that this is a permanent condition. Again, troubles in relationships can be instrumental in a person coming to the wrong conclusions. Some examples include: Difficulty connecting emotionally with members of the opposite sex Unpleasant sexual experiences with members of the opposite sex Trauma connected with sexuality (rape, abortion, incest, etc.) Feeling sexual attraction to same-sex persons (including arousal by gay or bisexual porn) Feeling “different” from others Enjoying homosexual experiences, fantasies or dreams Involvement with the occult (gives way to spiritual, emotional & sexual confusion) Words spoken over the person by parents, peers, counselors or teachers Affirmation, acceptance and recruitment by other homosexuals When a person decides to embrace the lie of a gay identity, the deception is completed. From then on, it can seem like an unbreakable stronghold, especially if it conveniently explains the pattern of experiences and feelings the person may have had in life to that point. Even so, a person making the conclusion that they are gay will discover an endless desire for peace and approval, but will not find it (Isaiah 48:22). They will need to surround themselves with others who continually reaffirm their homosexuality in order to numb their conscience about the lies they have embraced. They may even seek God’s approval of their choices by embracing “gay theology”. |
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07-13-2006, 01:29 PM
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Okay, I stopped listening the second you quoted the Bible.
My girlfriend's brother is quite gay. I spoke to him. I doubt you can claim that you have actually spoken to a homosexual in person and find out for youself what goes through their head. Don't read studies. Talk to them. I asked him, straight-out, if he chose to be gay, if it was a conscious decision. He looked at me like I was an idiot and told me that he never chose to be gay. He basically asked me, What kind of person would CHOOSE to take the risk of alienating his family, would CHOOSE to disappoint so many people in his life, and would CHOOSE such a thing as grand-scale as sexual orientation. After a lengthy talk, I came away knowing so much more. Nothing traumatic happened in his life. He was never abused. Nothing happened to "make" him gay. He just discovered, over time, that he liked men sexually and romantically. As for your argument that gay porn "makes" people gay, as well as masturbation and "demonic influences" and an "amoral" belief system (all of which SCREAM of religious thought): you're quite wrong. Here's why: * I've seen a gay porn video once or twice in my day, mostly out of curiousity, sometimes by accident. It didn't make me gay. I'm quite straight. * As a side note, I used to "experiment" sexually when I was like 10 or 12 with a male friend. Neither of us are gay as a result. * I masturbate. Frequently. Sometimes too much. I'm not gay. * I have no fucking clue what "demonic influences" are, but I watch porn frequently, have several fetishes (lactation, female ejaculation, some water sports now and then), and I listen to heavy metal and alternative rock. Nope, still not gay. * I am an atheist. I do not believe in God. I've had thoughts about killing people, but have never done so. I used to abuse animals when I was younger. Nope, still straight. * Societal pressures? If you mean guys are pressured to be gay, that's way off. If you mean guys are pressured to be straight, then that would mean that ALL guys are gay, because ALL guys are pressured to be straight. My conclusion? You're a nut job. There are TWO people that nullify your claims both ways. I've been subjected to all the crap you listed and am quite straight. My g/f's brother is gay but was never abused, molested, picked on, or even bothered in the slightest. The Bible this, the Bible that. Find another way to argue your point. |
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07-13-2006, 02:02 PM
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As a guy that wrote a 25 page thesis on homosexual litrature, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt the homosexuality is something that is encoded in your DNA, no one ever chooses to be gay. The fact that you would even suggest such an obviously false statment is an insult to people Matthew Shepherd who died because of ignorant pricks like you that want to usggest something is wrong with someone because of there sexual orientation.
You and anyone who does believe that homosexuals shouldn't have the right to marry are as ignorant as people who believe that marrying somone outside your race or social structure is "of the devil." How about you quit twisting around the words of the bible to fit your own needs and actually meet someone who is gay. I'm sure you never have meet a homosexual, because you're lack of compassion for there plight is something that will prove to be the downfall of conservitives. I'm a spiritual person, and I know how now-a-days it's increasing the number of people that are athiests out and the lack of faith in the world is because of assclowns like who who make believing in God seem as absurd as believeing in Voodoo. I pray that you see the error of your "opinions" because I'm almost certian you did not develop them on your own, you just heard what jackasses like O'Reily, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and various church groups have said and just agreed like the stupid lemming you are. |
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07-13-2006, 02:02 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Why the fuck would people "choose" to be gay, anyway? It seems a bit retarded to choose to be hated, to have to sneak around, and of course, it seems retarded to claim you get to choose who you fall in love with. Because really, how many of us choose who we fall in love with? Well, Korinkahn's parents, but only because the strip turned pink and pappy had a shotgun.
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07-13-2006, 02:07 PM
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Basically, he chooses to ignore Science and study and selectively quote Biblical passages in hopes of twisting them into something tangible. In other words, ignoring real, tangible evidence to twist the word of God. But it also isn't his fault. Christianity more and more now, praises the stupid and breeds ignorance as a result. |
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07-13-2006, 02:08 PM
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Ok after Terranrich and The Show Off's posts if i were what ever his name is i sure as hell wouldn't bother posting anything more
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07-13-2006, 02:38 PM
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Besides which I don't think the guy is retardad or anything, he just misguided and stubborn. |
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07-13-2006, 03:50 PM
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Herp a derp, and so on
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Thank you KK for mirroring my thoughts that no person in their right mind would choose to risk alienation of their family, and everything that comes along with it. When a person comes out of the closet, he's not making a decision to bang dudes, he's making a decision to tell everyone of his sexual orientation, "breaking the news", so to speak.
It's called reasoning and logic, what I just did up there. I've noticed a trend: most (not all) religious fanatics lack reasoning and lack and have an overabudance of "lemmingness" (the tendency to following whatever is most comfortable for them to believe) and stubbornness. |
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07-13-2006, 04:39 PM
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it is just another side of an argument believe what you want- all i said was kennedy was stupid i stand by that
oh yes, this thread is on fire baby! |
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07-13-2006, 04:43 PM
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Funny, the thread might be on fire but you aren't
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07-13-2006, 05:01 PM
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Take your time in replying, oh and the bible won't help you in every instence
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07-13-2006, 05:14 PM
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the article I post was from here http://www.porn-free.org/ again I was just presenting a counter-argument however I would be interested in reading the information-if any- regarding sexuality begining DNA encoded. As pour talking to gay men I went to fashion design school in Miami Florida and work as a men's bespoke suitmaker apprentice. I have talked to gay men, mostly they say they just like men over women, but they are always looking for some form of vindication-my observation. I actually think think gay couples deserve to be able to take care of their mates. Gay people aren't inhuman, heatlh care should be universal no one should have to marry to obtain insurance and frankly I have seen gay porn and think it is rather beautiful-but thats just me. I simply don't think O'Reily, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and various church groups are not without their points. they should be considered thoughfully as should your views. Pink is my favorite colour too. lactation, wow. Fire Baby, HOT FIRE! |
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07-13-2006, 05:51 PM
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So wait, was everything you have said a personal opinion of your's or were you just debating for the sake of debating, just passing it off as your own?
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07-13-2006, 06:05 PM
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So fucking sexy.
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It's looking to me like his arguments are changing at every turn, and it's probably because he can't really rebuttle against Universal Truth.
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07-13-2006, 06:07 PM
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Further, to indicate such a thing is to ignore the evidence from the animal kingdom, and even to ignore scientific indications. Back in the 90s, they actually manipulated the genes of fruit flies to make the males mate with males. Fruit Flies, of course, being easier to manipulate than humans. And more ethical. |
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07-13-2006, 06:21 PM
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07-13-2006, 06:37 PM
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http://www.porn-free.org/homosexual_roots.htm You really thought I wrote all of the Bible verses! I do not know the Bible that well. I wanted to hear what everyone had to say I am genurally interested in your points of view. Regarding "Universal Truth" I don't know about that. American Psychological Association says Is Sexual Orientation a Choice? No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed. People should not be disrespected for being who they are or for their opinons about Mr. Kennedy and Personal opinion I am not against gay marriage or for gay marriage, I just don't care. What you want to do is you, but parades are to much. However I do care about the numerous persons without heatlh care, poverty, crime, war and Saturday Night Main Event coming on the same time Smackdown does b/c of baseball on Friday unless SNME starts at 10:00. Frankly I am a bit torn i respect the Bible and its take on managing life. I simply want to live as I choose love what I love and hate what I hate. I do not cuss I do not think people who do are bad or dirty I just have choosen not to in my life-I extend that to everyone of you. |
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07-13-2006, 06:43 PM
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LOL, you are such a bullshitter. You were clearly trying to pass all that was said off as your own. You got into a tight spot and came up with your only way out: Admitting that you were bullshitting and then throwing a story covering your real reason onto it.
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07-13-2006, 06:44 PM
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Wow, a number of people in this thread needs to shut the fuck up.
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07-13-2006, 06:45 PM
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......KENNEDY!
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07-13-2006, 07:11 PM
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HOLY SHIT YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH |
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07-13-2006, 07:46 PM
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What happened to people discussing Kennedy like the thread named implys.
If anyone comes in here and looks at only the last 3 pages, they will be like, what the f***. Maybe we should get back to you know. ...Kennedy |
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07-13-2006, 07:52 PM
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You're not from around here, are you?
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07-13-2006, 07:59 PM
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Just where is "here"
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07-13-2006, 08:03 PM
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Der Interweb.
Seriously, unless you have incredibly strict moderation, it's unlikely for any topic to stay on topic on the web. |
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07-13-2006, 08:03 PM
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Ahhh..right..You caught me  Skippord, MAKE THIS YOUR BIBLE http://www.porn-free.org/homosexual_roots.htm KENNEDY SUCKS! |
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07-13-2006, 08:05 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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I have homosexual roots under my heterosexual perm.
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07-13-2006, 08:07 PM
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Nope, Kane Knight. Im not actually from around here. I Have never owned a home computer, plan to buy one soon though. and this is the first actual forum I joined and post regularly in. I had no idea that this type of off-topic threads are made regularly.
So you sort of hit the nail with my head there. |
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07-13-2006, 08:11 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Now yo know.
AND KNOWING'S HALF THE BATTLE! Also, Kill Whitey. |
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07-13-2006, 08:23 PM
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On the topic of Kennedy, why is it there are no lyrics sites that can get the theme song right? I keep noticing they keep saying "I turn up the trouble." Is it that hard to figure out?
There are other mistakes, but I can't rightly remember most of the rest of the song anyway. |
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07-13-2006, 08:26 PM
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Well thanks for the info, now I won't be so surprised when a thread changes content completely such as this one.
Also the same thing happened with my buddy and Rob Conways theme he downloaded 10-12 of them and none were right. |
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07-13-2006, 08:57 PM
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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You mean the actual theme? That's weird. I was just talking about lyrics sites.
And Conway's theme was easy to hear. I mean, no crowd reaction should make it easy to hear. |
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07-13-2006, 09:21 PM
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Seriously, listen to it backwards. The opening is clearly "Hairy Balls". |
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07-13-2006, 09:25 PM
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07-13-2006, 09:27 PM
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07-13-2006, 09:28 PM
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07-13-2006, 09:30 PM
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07-13-2006, 09:37 PM
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Don't be hatin' bitch!
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WWE firing Ken Kennedy would be absolutely UNACCEPTABLE!!!
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07-13-2006, 09:44 PM
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Yeah, we downloaded like 10-12 versions there were from what I can tell 4 different variations and none sounded right, even to me, and i rarely pay attention to that stuff.
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