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Old 09-25-2006, 12:40 AM   #81
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So next month angle v. joe

then angle v. sting or jarret?

we got some good matches to look forward to.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:40 AM   #82
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I don't know about "exact same" hype giving Kurts status in and out of wrestling, but your point remains valid Pep.
The exact same that matters. No one that would be reached just because of Kurt's Olympian status would take pro wrestling seriously enough to care about TNA anyway, you know what I mean?
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:40 AM   #83
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At the time Matt Hardy was released from the WWE, the "You screwed Matt!" chants were overwhelming. Hell, so much so that they were what yielded Matt his job back in the WWE. The situation would've drawn the exact same kind of attention to TNA had Matt decided to breach his contract and the WWE decided to pursue legal remedy.
I am a huge Matt Hardy mark, but Angle >>>>>> Hardy. Sorry, Matt.

And I really doubt he has a no-complete cause. I doubt he would violate. I'm just saying, the WWE is more likely to make a big fuss about a smaller guy than a huge one like Angle. Kurt's the last real "big" wrestler besides Triple H and The Undertaker. They're going to try and hope TNA fucks it up, because if they don't, and Vince points them out, say goodbye to the WWE's fanbase.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:41 AM   #84
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I don't think Angle is gonna debut until they go Prime time. Don't know for though.

However this announcement did live up the hype.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:41 AM   #85
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:42 AM   #86
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The exact same that matters. No one that would be reached just because of Kurt's Olympian status would take pro wrestling seriously enough to care about TNA anyway, you know what I mean?
"Olympic Gold Medalist being sued by former employer" is more likely to make headlines than "Man screwed, first his girlfriend, now his job," you know what I mean?
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Angle shouldn't work against the top names first, I don't think, at least not RIGHT off. Have Angle come in and want Jarrett/the NWA Title...but have Jarrett refuse (and somehow in the storyline, justify him being able to do this) to wrestle against Angle, until Angle "proves he's even worthy of wrestling in the same ring" as he is (yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds, but not only is this pro wrestling, but Jeff Jarrett is a heel). Jarrett then suckers Eric Young into taking a PPV match with Angle, telling him how great of a match it would be, and how it would make TNA money, which is what Jim Cornette told him he has to do to avoid being fired.
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"Olympic Gold Medalist being sued by former employer" is more likely to make headlines than "Man screwed, first his girlfriend, now his job," you know what I mean?
How would he be sued?
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:45 AM   #89
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I am a huge Matt Hardy mark, but Angle >>>>>> Hardy. Sorry, Matt.

And I really doubt he has a no-complete cause. I doubt he would violate. I'm just saying, the WWE is more likely to make a big fuss about a smaller guy than a huge one like Angle. Kurt's the last real "big" wrestler besides Triple H and The Undertaker. They're going to try and hope TNA fucks it up, because if they don't, and Vince points them out, say goodbye to the WWE's fanbase.
See, not really on the WWE being more likely to make a big fuss about a smaller guy than a huge one. A huge guy is someone that could legitimately do them damage, and taking it to court would honestly be a power play by the WWE. How much money do Dixie Carter and Panda Energy REALLY want to invest in legal fees brought on by them breaking contracts?

I DO doubt he has the clause.
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Anytime Angle wrestles it's worth watching, so if he's on everyweek in some function... I'll watch every week.
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Angle shouldn't work against the top names first, I don't think, at least not RIGHT off. Have Angle come in and want Jarrett/the NWA Title...but have Jarrett refuse (and somehow in the storyline, justify him being able to do this) to wrestle against Angle, until Angle "proves he's even worthy of wrestling in the same ring" as he is (yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds, but not only is this pro wrestling, but Jeff Jarrett is a heel). Jarrett then suckers Eric Young into taking a PPV match with Angle, telling him how great of a match it would be, and how it would make TNA money, which is what Jim Cornette told him he has to do to avoid being fired.
That would actually be awesome. Angle needs to focus more on wrestling guys that are seen as jokes by a lot of fans. Alex Shelley for example. Angle vs. Shelley is potentially jizz quality, so let it happen. Imagine what the WWE would be like if Kurt Angle wrestled Paul London on SmackDown!. That is what TNA has a chance to do with their roster. Make it legit by sticking it in the ring with Angle.
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"Olympic Gold Medalist being sued by former employer" is more likely to make headlines than "Man screwed, first his girlfriend, now his job," you know what I mean?
Obviously, but like I said, within the confines of the wrestling world, the focus would be the same, and the people that care about legit sports aren't likely to be the type of people that would tune into TNA wrestling just to see Kurt Angle.
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As far as I am concerned, they NEED to do Joe vs. Angle for the NWA Championship at Bound For Glory.
I suppose I'm the only one that actually wants to see Jarrett versus Sting in the main event.

What am I talking about "suppose" I know I'm the only one.
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Meltzer talked about this tongith on his radio show. Angle could be pulling a Raven.

Now see If Angle is getting by the WWE then Angle can't work for TNA, but see if Angle waives his money and just says "Vince don't pay me I'm going to to TNA" then it's legal.

That's my understanding of it, and btw Meltz was talking about this Hypothically he had no idea what the surprise was.
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Obviously, but like I said, within the confines of the wrestling world, the focus would be the same, and the people that care about legit sports aren't likely to be the type of people that would tune into TNA wrestling just to see Kurt Angle.
Oh no, definitely not. But that was never what I was getting at, I'm just saying there would be a bigger fuss over this than Matt hardy, when you said it would be the EXACT same impact. I disagree, going after Kurt is a MUCH bigger deal.
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See, not really on the WWE being more likely to make a big fuss about a smaller guy than a huge one. A huge guy is someone that could legitimately do them damage, and taking it to court would honestly be a power play by the WWE. How much money do Dixie Carter and Panda Energy REALLY want to invest in legal fees brought on by them breaking contracts?

I DO doubt he has the clause.
Yeah, I know what you mean, and it would be very ballsy for TNA to take on the WWE in court.

I think what it really would boil down to (assuming that Angle actually does have a clause, which is unlikely) is how much Angle hates the WWE, and how much the WWE really fears Angle. If the WWE took Angle to court, it is more likely to boost TNA in the public eye than make it less credible (which the no-compete clause is designed to do, isn't it?). So for that reason, and that reason alone, I can see the WWE just shrugging and going on pretending TNA doesn't exist. They shouldn't try shoving them anymore, because TNA now has some heavy firepower.

I want to hear the crowd reaction on Monday night, see what it's like. There better be at least one "WWE now fears TNA" or "WWE fears Angle" sign.
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Oh no, definitely not. But that was never what I was getting at, I'm just saying there would be a bigger fuss over this than Matt hardy, when you said it would be the EXACT same impact. I disagree, going after Kurt is a MUCH bigger deal.
Which I grant; just wanted to point the rest of that out for those that wouldn't think about that/understand that right off (you seemed to understand right when you first pointed that out and corrected me).
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I want to hear the crowd reaction on Monday night, see what it's like. There better be at least one "WWE now fears TNA" or "WWE fears Angle" sign.
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Meltzer talked about this tongith on his radio show. Angle could be pulling a Raven.

Now see If Angle is getting by the WWE then Angle can't work for TNA, but see if Angle waives his money and just says "Vince don't pay me I'm going to to TNA" then it's legal.

That's my understanding of it, and btw Meltz was talking about this Hypothically he had no idea what the surprise was.
That actually makes sense. Don't guys get paid their no-complete cause? If Angle refuses to get paid, then he may be able to skip the 90 days.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, and it would be very ballsy for TNA to take on the WWE in court.

I think what it really would boil down to (assuming that Angle actually does have a clause, which is unlikely) is how much Angle hates the WWE, and how much the WWE really fears Angle. If the WWE took Angle to court, it is more likely to boost TNA in the public eye than make it less credible (which the no-compete clause is designed to do, isn't it?). So for that reason, and that reason alone, I can see the WWE just shrugging and going on pretending TNA doesn't exist. They shouldn't try shoving them anymore, because TNA now has some heavy firepower.

I want to hear the crowd reaction on Monday night, see what it's like. There better be at least one "WWE now fears TNA" or "WWE fears Angle" sign.
What the hell is TNA going to do, though? I mean honestly, what could they do in retaliation to the WWE taking Kurt Angle to court that they wouldn't do regardless?
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Which I grant; just wanted to point the rest of that out for those that wouldn't think about that/understand that right off (you seemed to understand right when you first pointed that out and corrected me).
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This has to be the darkest day in the history of professional wrestling. I love Kurt Angle, but I think this was a bad move on his part. And to be honest, neither the new timeslot nor Kurt Angle are enough to make me watch the borefest that is TNA.

(PS. Angle is great, but I doubt he alone will be enough to ever make TNA a threat to WWE)
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What the hell is TNA going to do, though? I mean honestly, what could they do in retaliation to the WWE taking Kurt Angle to court that they wouldn't do regardless?
Why would they retaliate? they'd shake Vince's hands for all the free publicity.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:55 AM   #106
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Meltzer talked about this tongith on his radio show. Angle could be pulling a Raven.

Now see If Angle is getting by the WWE then Angle can't work for TNA, but see if Angle waives his money and just says "Vince don't pay me I'm going to to TNA" then it's legal.

That's my understanding of it, and btw Meltz was talking about this Hypothically he had no idea what the surprise was.
I hope that's the case.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:57 AM   #107
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Not gonna lie I would ejaculate for a Shelley vs Angle or a Sabin vs Angle match
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:57 AM   #108
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Why would they retaliate? they'd shake Vince's hands for all the free publicity.
I didn't know lawyers were in the business of working for free these days.
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Old 09-25-2006, 12:58 AM   #109
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I didn't know lawyers were in the business of working for free these days.
Yeah but again...it's kinda hard to sue yourself.
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What the hell is TNA going to do, though? I mean honestly, what could they do in retaliation to the WWE taking Kurt Angle to court that they wouldn't do regardless?
Probably just make an appeal to wrestling fans, etc. I don't know if they'd actually be able to even get their hands up legally, but they do have media contacts, and TNA would make as much noise as possible. They could try and play it like the WWE is a "bully", and the idiot marks that don't apply logic to anything may jump to TNA, just because they are the "good guys" now.

It's crazy, but if the WWE did try to stop TNA and Angle, I could see them trying to spin it in their favour.
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Hey...here's a thought. A couple threads down or so...there's a thread about Jericho maybe coming back to the WWE. Now Angle's with TNA. Jericho might be coming back...anyone smell some colusion here?
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Yeah, lets waist Angle on some vanilla midgets... (Shelly has stopped bing vanilla really, Sabin on the other hand...)

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Do we get Impact! on Foxtel here in Australia?

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Probably just make an appeal to wrestling fans, etc. I don't know if they'd actually be able to even get their hands up legally, but they do have media contacts, and TNA would make as much noise as possible. They could try and play it like the WWE is a "bully", and the idiot marks that don't apply logic to anything may jump to TNA, just because they are the "good guys" now.

It's crazy, but if the WWE did try to stop TNA and Angle, I could see them trying to spin it in their favour.
The key word there is "trying".
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TNA needs to beg Jericho into TNA, get Angle and Jericho to face AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels at Bound For Glory for the NWA Tag Team Championship. Kill four birds with one stone. Daniels can act, too, so this could be awesome.

My God, Angle is TNA is a reality bitches.
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Wow WWE takes away on of TNA top money makers in Jeff Hardy and how does Tna retaliate by picking up KURT FREAKING ANGLE

Well played TNA well played

But i hope Angle doesnt wrestle right away.cause in alot of aspects TNA fans are alot like the ECW fans in which Angle "killed" himself for
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TNA needs to beg Jericho into TNA, get Angle and Jericho to face AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels at Bound For Glory for the NWA Tag Team Championship. Kill four birds with one stone. Daniels can act, too, so this could be awesome.

My God, Angle is TNA is a reality bitches.
Yeah, let's just blow the entire conspiracy right out of the water huh? What will I do with all that free time anyways? Prove that George W. Bush is really a puppet controled by tiny Germans?
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Yeah, lets waist Angle on some vanilla midgets... (Shelly has stopped bing vanilla really, Sabin on the other hand...)
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