The Boogeyman

[Kane Knight]

Look at who the Champion is on Raw. Look at who's getting the biggest pushes on Raw...DX, Cena, Umaga, for example. Guys who beat "cock" jokes to death, a guy who's a cartoon superman who makes little more than gay and poopy jokes, and a boring lardass with some stereotypical over-the-top gimmick and a finisher only a child would believe.

I'm not convinced that WWE isn't trying for the fourth grade audience, but I'm sure convinced they're not trying for an adult audience.

Smackdown, traditionally, has actually been the more kiddie show, too.
It's amazing we don't have 15 boogeymen on the show. Actually, moving him over to Raw and having him feud with Umaga would be the best move I can name.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight and a boring lardass with some stereotypical over-the-top gimmick and a finisher only a child would believe.

I find this funny, since in theory, Umaga has one of the few actual "realistic" finishers.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? I find this funny, since in theory, Umaga has one of the few actual "realistic" finishers.

Unfortunately, effective and "looks good on TV" are two different things.

I can make someone tap out with an armbar. Literally. The two fights I've gotten into since I've been involved in Aiki Jujutsu have ended with me holding a guy on the ground in an armbar and him screaming.

Doesn't mean in wrestling, it's a useful move. Every jobber can pull it off.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Unfortunately, effective and "looks good on TV" are two different things. I can make someone tap out with an armbar. Literally. The two fights I've gotten into since I've been involved in Aiki Jujutsu have ended with me holding a guy on the ground in an armbar and him screaming. Doesn't mean in wrestling, it's a useful move. Every jobber can pull it off.

I do love how in wrestling believable is never believable. No one will ever tap out to a keylock, but they will bend over for 30 seconds after a boot to the stomach.

I would laugh my ass off if there was a gimmich that's only purpose was to not follow along with wrestling cliche.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? I do love how in wrestling believable is never believable. No one will ever tap out to a keylock, but they will bend over for 30 seconds after a boot to the stomach. I would laugh my ass off if there was a gimmich that's only purpose was to not follow along with wrestling cliche.

That'd be pretty funny.

I've argued with wrestling marks before over what'd be more painful, and it really is a case of "the shit that would never work in real life" is always the stuff they think comes out on top. Maybe not the big boot, or leg drop, but A lot of moves are supposedly "powerful." I've even demonstrated some simple wrist lock stuff, and asked them to resist. I'm not a master...I don't even have my first stripe, thanks to a shoulder/neck injury...But I can drop someone to their knees pretty effectively with moves that aren't showy.

MMA's a pretty good example of what works, though. A lot of the finishers aren't flashy. Hell, most of the finishers are moves a ton of guys use. You don't need a 360-degree-extreme-senton-uranage-toe-lock to make people tap. You just need a good sense of joint manipulation.