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Old 03-03-2007, 10:39 PM   #41
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Old 03-03-2007, 10:44 PM   #42
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Lashley going over Big Show didn't make Lashley seem more credible, it just made Big Show seem weak. If they were going to have Big Show give Lashley the belt then at least have it built up more to the point where maybe it could have made Lashley look good. They're trying to make Lashley seem like Goldberg but he's just simply not Goldberg. I know he's really big and got big muscles but he can't pull off looking powerful. Honestly, Batista doesn't look so powerful to me either. I think Bobby Lashley would be better off if they made him look fast, tough and smart instead of trying to be Black Lesnar.
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Old 03-03-2007, 10:50 PM   #43
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The thing is though, Goldberg was Goldberg because of the way he was pushed. It was because of a lot of simple things coming together in a major way to make him "Goldberg".
If Lashley was pushed identically in his shoes, he may have been huge too. I like Goldberg, but he is no Rock.

Lashley would have looked good if they hyped him up more before his jump to ECW, and then ahd him beat Big Show in a program. Not out of the blue in their first meeting. Then you need to have him beat guys who aren't Velocity wrestlers.

This is all about booking, not Lashley.
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Old 03-04-2007, 12:58 AM   #44
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Old 03-04-2007, 02:47 AM   #45
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Lashley is a talented young wrestler with a good background. but he has been carried too far too early
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Old 03-04-2007, 03:37 AM   #46
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I also think hes floundering because of HOW and WHERE, and with what resources he's being pushed, rather than the fact that he is.

ECW's world title and main event scene are not powerful enough to propel a young star, its just not an established tool for creating stars. An already established superstar needs to make that belt, before that belt can even play a role in establishing any young superstar. Also, the show has no crop of credible main eventers for said superstar to go over, especially a fellow uncredible one.

Also, the show is C-brand and the booking is horrendous. Going over Test and Holly 20 times over and over again is accomplishing just as little as it did once. Him going over JBL for the US title was a bigger rub for christsakes.
Beating up on midcarders in a sham main event doesn't propel anything. Especially when its a first time main eventer doing the squashing. So he he's stomping on shit all day. Great, he's proven that he's better than shit and can smash it into the ground, but in doing so it just leaves him and the title with the lingering stink of shit on them.

I've said it before, beating Hardcore Holly 20 times isn't half the rub of losing to Taker.

But mainly, this whole problem with his push and the ECW title picture represents failings with the ECW product, booking, use of talent and other factors.
It in no way reflects on Lashley, or his abilities. He's no Kurt Angle in the ring, and he's not The Rock, but he is what he is and he's not god awful. He should be booked to his strengths and booked well.

It all comes down to the WWEs shortcomings and not Bobby Lashley. Unfortunatley some can't see the many factors at work here and just resolve that Lashley sucks. Which is a shame, because even though Lashley is not a 5 star wrestler, or a big talker, he IS charismatic. Its about the charisma and presence he exudes in the ring, not words for those of you who think thats charisma.

He's a decent worker. I don't care what anyone says, his style is that of what he is. And he's simply not a goat. But thats okay. There is a place for a silent, dominant big man in pro wrestling still. Even if Vince has turned you off to that idea.
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I dont know why, but while reading Jeritron's post, I pictured Bobby Lashley staring down Stone Cold Steve Austin in the ring, and I can imagine electricity. Sure, it won't go anywhere, but I remember back in the day when the WWE used to be able to harness that electricity.

Lashley really is being pushed too fast. That really cannot be stated enough. He needs to a good solid run in the mid-card on RAW.

Vince McMahon should strip Bobby Lashley of the ECW World Championship. Make no excuse for it, just have him do it. The ECW Title is no more than a prop, and I think it would be more interestingly served in the New Breed vs. Originals feud, and it could help get guys like Elijah Burke, Matt Striker, Kevin Thorn and Marcus Cor Von some pedigree for when they come over from ECW.

Bobby Lashley should in turn cost Umaga the WWE Intercontinental Championship. Have Umaga vs. Lashley be completely titleless. The feud will work a lot better that way, and the fans won't get confused by who is holding what, and why, and they can focus simply on the performers. Give Lashley the big win, and then have him move over to RAW and get some more exposure before moving up.

Of course, the WWE won't do that, and this time next year, we'll be talking about how the WWE dropped the ball with Lashley and Umaga.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:31 AM   #48
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Mostly agreed, but the ECW title is gonna do even less for Elijah Burke, Kevin Thorn and Marcus Cor von than it would for Lashley.

Not to mention how much more it would make the things I spoke about regarding the brand and the belts credibility.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:35 AM   #49
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I dont know why, but while reading Jeritron's post, I pictured Bobby Lashley staring down Stone Cold Steve Austin in the ring, and I can imagine electricity. Sure, it won't go anywhere, but I remember back in the day when the WWE used to be able to harness that electricity.
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Thats because they had Austin types. Lashley in a fued with Austin, Rock, HHH, Angle or whoever would get him over. He wouldnt run away with it, he'd just be a dominant heel for them to clash with.
But it'd get him over.
Thats what the problem is now, you could stick Lashley in a fued with Batista or Cena and it'd just be meh.
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Thats because they had Austin types. Lashley in a fued with Austin, Rock, HHH, Angle or whoever would get him over. He wouldnt run away with it, he'd just be a dominant heel for them to clash with.
But it'd get him over.
Thats what the problem is now, you could stick Lashley in a fued with Batista or Cena and it'd just be meh.
That's the problem with the WWE as a whole. Another is the way the WWE picks and chooses who they will make "stars". The WWE should listen to the fans and see who they want to see pushed.

Matt Hardy was the most over babyface the WWE had in 2005. He was potential cash. The WWE cut him off just because he wasn't a John Cena, yet they pushed Cena despite everything but "Die, Johnny, die" chants (which should totally be brought in).

It's also a little sad that Batista, John Cena and Bobby Lashley should all be heels at the moment. They're also going into WrestleMania with the World Championships. That's like three babyface World Champions heading into WrestleMania. Back in the day, you wouldn't even have one.
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I don't really bitch about continuity. I don't bitch about logic. I don't really bitch about the McMahons or DX all that much. I don't really like Doug Basham or Val Venis. And for the record Nash is not horrible and is awesome. I think I arm-chair book, but I don't. So am I part of this IWC?
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. I think Bobby Lashley would be better off if they made him look fast, tough and smart instead of trying to be Black Lesnar.
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:00 PM   #64
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I'd like to stress "among other things". There are like sixty-thousand more.

Seriously, though, pretty much what DarthTeedious said.
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I don't really bitch about continuity. I don't bitch about logic. I don't really bitch about the McMahons or DX all that much. I don't really like Doug Basham or Val Venis. And for the record Nash is not horrible and is awesome. I think I arm-chair book, but I don't. So am I part of this IWC?
That's almost bitching about the IWC. That was the one left off the list.
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Seriously, Lashley does have to get the fuck off the mic. They did the right thing with Lesnar and had him talk very little and had Heyman do his talking. Brock and Lashley aren't good promos because their voices make them sound like pussies.
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Seriously, if you went to "MicrophonesinPussies.com" Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley would be the poster boys.
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If anything, Lashley seems too muscular. It looks as if all his muscles get in the way of him moving. Also, for as big as he is, he doesn't look tough or intimidating. I'm mean Batista looks like he could handle himself in a fight, for some reason Lashley doesn't. Maybe it is because Lashley is short...for a wrestler.
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If anything, Lashley seems too muscular. It looks as if all his muscles get in the way of him moving. Also, for as big as he is, he doesn't look tough or intimidating. I'm mean Batista looks like he could handle himself in a fight, for some reason Lashley doesn't. Maybe it is because Lashley is short...for a wrestler.
Lashley is probably legitimately tougher than Batista, I'd think, but he doesn't have the intensity he needs to really maintain main event status.

He seems to pick it up for maybe a few seconds in his matches, or when he leaps into steel cage walls. That's it.
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I like Lashley, and agree with Destor on this, the guy oozes charisma. He also seems legit tough.
I actually enjoyed the mathes he was having with Test recently. And the guy is a monster live. He doesn't need mic skills to get over, he just needs to stop smiling cause it makes him look like wayne brady.
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Looking like Wayne Brady is probably the best thing Bobby Lashley has going for him. The WWE should sign Brady, have give him some training (Brady is pretty fit, I think he would be able to do some athletic stuff), and then have him cut a promo on Bobby Lashley, saying he stole his image.

Brady can come out with an entourage, and play a chickenshit heel against Lashley. But I'm sure Brady already has enough money to not need desperate grabs at stardom like that.
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Old 03-06-2007, 03:04 AM   #73
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Wayne Brady > Bobby Lashley
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But yeah, Destor is 100% right, Lashley oozes charisma. It's the same kind of charisma guys like Charlie Haas and Brent Albright have, although people label them "bland". It's a "don't fuck with me, or you will end up losing a body part" charisma.
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