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Old 05-06-2007, 09:46 AM   #1
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Post In defense of Hogan.
Hogan haters are always saying that the Hulkster refuses to pass the torch to anyone. These people claim to be hardcore wrestling fans and yet they conveniently forget that Hulk has tried to give the spotlight to many wrestlers and yet they all ended up messing up what Hogan gave them. Let's review...

1. The Ultimate Warrior - He beat Hulk Hogan in a clean victory at Wrestlemania VI to win the WWF Title and retain the Intercontinental Title. Was targeted for big things, but lost the belt to Sgt. Slaughter, went crazy and all but vanished but not before demanding more money from Vince hours before a PPV and no-showing events. Then eventually ended up in WCW and all he wanted to do was talk. Then he disappeared from the wrestling world and all he does now is whine on his website and goes to colleges making anti-gay comments.

2. Sting - Beat Hogan for the WCW Title at Starrcade and relaunched his career as the "Dark Crow" Sting. Lost momentum and then the title to Savage. Started not wearing his cool trenchcoat to the ring after the Columbine massacre and lost more momentum, had a failed heel turn, and got wiped out of WCW by the then champ Scott Steiner, only to return on the last Nitro. Turned to God and refuses to work for WWE.

3. Goldberg - Took the WCW title from Hogan on Nitro, and eventually lost it back to Nash. After the "fingerpoke of doom" match, lost a lot of momentum. Like Sting, had a failed heel turn, and several injuries wiped out a lot of his heat. And then had a very crappy run in the WWE.

4. Billy Kidman - After the back and forth verbal pot shots Kidman and Hogan gave each other for a while, Kidman turned heel and targeted Hogan in what was definitely the highlight of Kidman's boring character. After a few months of cheap shots, he finally had his career handed to him by Hogan. Kidman soon went back to being a babyface, and a dull one at that.

5. The Rock - In one of the best angles in recent times, The Rock beat Hogan in a match that brought the house down. The Rock soon became a full-time movie star and retired from wrestling.

6. Brock Lesnar - He had a huge build-up, was beating every wrestler left and right and put an end to Hogan's huge 2002 run and like so many others Hogan passed the torch to, he screwed up.

Then you have Randy Orton. It's a good thing Hogan didn't lay out for Orton because look what happened to him.

Hogan tried with a lot of wrestlers and they all just couldn't handle it. It's not Hogan's fault that those guys just couldn't hold the torch and burned themselves.
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:55 AM   #2
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Have you even seen said Sting and Billy Kidman matches?
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Old 05-06-2007, 10:16 AM   #3
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He's Val Venis. He knows more about wrestling than any man alive...Well, besides Doug Basham.
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Old 05-06-2007, 10:31 AM   #4
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Can you please not drop your knowledge on me Val Venus
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It's just an online handle..and your responses are just excuses not to debate with me because you know there is nothing to debate about cause I'm right. Some of you just hate for the sake of hating.
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:51 AM   #6
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Have you seen some of the articles on Hogan and his attitude? Read them, then judge, idiot.
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:54 AM   #7
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It's just an online handle..and your responses are just excuses not to debate with me because you know there is nothing to debate about cause I'm right. Some of you just hate for the sake of hating.
Actually, my response was ignoring your content because I generally find "Devil's Advocate" roles to be poorly thought or half-ass in execution.

It was also intended in irony to state that you probably haven't seen said matches. Because, you know...If you had....
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:23 PM   #8
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Hogan still has a massive Ego and hasnt contributed anything in almost 10 years. His last few WWE runs were shit, and he should start thinking about callin it quits for good.
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:23 PM   #9
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Just because they Went "over" doesn't mean shit. Hogan should have just walked out of WM 6, instead, he starts crying and slowly draws his way back, making the moment less about the Warrior Winning, but rather him Losing.

If you call Sting losing, then winning later on some bullshit dusty finish that killed a great feud, putting someone over, well you sir are right.

He No Sold Kidman, and only did the feud as a way at Torrie and an excuse to try and save his career by changing to FUNB Hogan. He got bored, dropped it and Kidman.

The Rock.....Come on. The Rock was already at his peak when hogan came in, and he was lucky to be a part of that match. it had beens years since he walked out at the WCW PPV and no one saw anything of him. The Rock saved his career if anything. Remember before that? That comeback is what got him back on track as Hogan he is today.

Brock? I'm pretty sure Hogan didn't decide on that one. He had no choice but to lose. Everyone did.

What a stand up guy. He has always been about Hogan and no one else. He made the business what it is, but he has also done more damage than anyone.
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Old 05-06-2007, 12:39 PM   #10
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Have you even seen said Sting and Billy Kidman matches?
Not in a very long time.

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Have you seen some of the articles on Hogan and his attitude? Read them, then judge, idiot.
I'm not talking about his attitude. I'm talking about what he's done for wrestling.

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Hogan still has a massive Ego and hasnt contributed anything in almost 10 years. His last few WWE runs were shit, and he should start thinking about callin it quits for good.
You gotta be kidding. Have you heard some of the responses Hogan gets when he's on WWE TV? Hogan is where he's at today...not because he uses his backstage pull to get there....but because he gets ten minute standing ovations.


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Just because they Went "over" doesn't mean shit. Hogan should have just walked out of WM 6, instead, he starts crying and slowly draws his way back, making the moment less about the Warrior Winning, but rather him Losing.
The Warrior burned himself with the torch Hogan gave him and he wasn't making any money for Vince. It's all about money and Hulk Hogan has always brought that in.

Vince gave the ball to a lot of wrestlers to try and lead the company but none of them ran as long and as hard as Hulk Hogan did and none of them have stood the test of time unlike the Hulkster.

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The Rock.....Come on. The Rock was already at his peak when hogan came in, and he was lucky to be a part of that match. it had beens years since he walked out at the WCW PPV and no one saw anything of him. The Rock saved his career if anything. Remember before that? That comeback is what got him back on track as Hogan he is today.
You're live in a fantasy world. At No Way Out 2002 before Hogan and The Rock even interacted, Hogan was getting louds cheers from the crowd. And the next night in Chicago, Hogan was getting cheers before The Rock even came out. The plans for Hogan was for him to be a heel but no matter what he said and did, people cheered him and Vince had to change things up. Hogan could have wrestled anybody at Wrestlemania and they would have been booed out of the building. The Rock didn't get Hogan back on track. The fans did.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:41 PM   #11
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the crowd put hogan over. They put him over out of nostalgia. When i was a kid and believed wrestling was real i thought he was amazing the way he could take so much punishment them suddenly get angry and point at the guy before booting him in the face and leg dropping.

As you grow up and watch wrestling you start wondering why this guy is still winning with a leg drop when other guys do this in the ring they don't even go for a cover. You log on to the net and read about th bullshit Hogan pulls, how he believes so much of his own hype,how he "no-sells" finishers, how he refuses to put over younger talent...then you realise that he is a senile old asshole.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:42 PM   #12
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Hogan sucks. What he did for wrestling is great, but as an in ring performer, he sucks. He has the biggest ego in wrestling, as he himself stated on his reality show, "I don't want to be passed by younger guys." The man is 54 years old and has a fake hip, and he's worried about a young wrestler taking his "spot", a "spot" he hasn't had since he left WWF to go to WCW. Which he killed, or at least he was the first nail in the coffin.
The reason he gets such big pops is because people are surprised he's still alive.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:55 PM   #14
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Doesn't matter why they put him over, they do.

Hogan may be an asshole in many ways, and I totally agree he is, but he is a legend - the biggest wrestling has ever seen
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the crowd put hogan over.
And what's wrong with that? Yes, the people did bring Hulk Hogan back. No debate here. The people love him and that is why he is still going strong and as long as the fans keep feeding Hulkamania, he will keep coming back. Hogan has stood the test of time. People loved him in the 80's and they still live him now and that is why he is the greatest icon in wrestling and why he deserves respect and why he still wrestles.

As far as the net goes, there are two sides to every story. You shouldn't just believe one side without listening to the other.

Also, it's the Hulk Hogan character people love and there's nothing wrong with that. That's what some of these characters are made for. I know the man who plays the character has refused to job before but that's because wrestling is a tough business and nice guys finish last. And Hogan proves that. Ric Flair is mid-carding on WWE now and Hogan refused to do things that he felt would ruin his character and that would.

Hell, if Hogan jobbed all the time you guys would still insult him. I recall back in 2002 when Hogan was jobbing to guys, people were on here making fun of him, saying stuff "how the mighty have fallen" and calling Hogan a jobber and still showing him no respect. Hogan is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't with you guys which is why internet fans have always been a very low force in the wrestling business.

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Hogan sucks. What he did for wrestling is great, but as an in ring performer, he sucks.
Hogan just doesn't wrestle the style smarks like. He's a brawler, not a high-flyer or a technical wrestler. There's nothing wrong with the brawling style of wrestling. Austin was a brawler too as is The Undertaker. Also, there's more to sports entertainment then just wrestling. Hulk Hogan may have been the greatest technical wrestler but he was a positive force and a hero to people when the world needed one. Have you noticed he is the most popular whenever the U.S.A. is having problems? Back in the 80's when the U.S.A. was sweating over Russia and then in recent years when the U.S.A. has been feuding with Bin Laden and Iraq. Hogan just brings a sense of comfort to the world I believe.

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He has the biggest ego in wrestling
Because the fans feed that ego. So don't blame Hogan, blame us.

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as he himself stated on his reality show, "I don't want to be passed by younger guys."
Because every guy he puts over drops the ball.

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The man is 54 years old
53, and I don't see what his age has to done with anything. There are guys older then him that still wrestle. Besides, age is just a number and you're only as old as you feel. And he is still the same exact person he was twenty years ago. Age is nothing. Just because a guy has had more birthday's then you doesn't mean he's dead and should stop living. And despite his age, he is still as popular as he ever was.

The fake hip comment was just immature and irrelevant to this topic.

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and he's worried about a young wrestler taking his "spot", a "spot" he hasn't had since he left WWF to go to WCW. Which he killed, or at least he was the first nail in the coffin.
I don't think he's worried at all. He has no reason to be. Because there will only be one Hulk Hogan.

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The reason he gets such big pops is because people are surprised he's still alive.
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:01 PM   #16
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Doesn't matter why they put him over, they do.

Hogan may be an asshole in many ways, and I totally agree he is, but he is a legend - the biggest wrestling has ever seen
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:14 PM   #17
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:29 PM   #18
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How's this for truth then? Hogan bodyslams André at WrestleMania III, making probably the most famous moment in WrestleMania history so far. Fast forward 20 years + almost a month to April 27th 2007: Hulk Hogan defeated Paul "The Great" Wight at PMG Clash of Legends on April 27, 2007 when he picked up and body slammed Wight and pinned him with the leg drop. Gee, sound like anything that might have happened at said WrestleMania III 20 years ago? Case in point: Hogan lives too much in the past and feeds too much off the crowd to even walk into the same arena as today's WWE superstars. The future has passed Hogan by, and he will always continue to live in the '80s as far as wrestling is concerned, and as such, he just needs to hang it up once and for all, and stop instead insisting on "one more match", where all he does is whine and cry to Vince that he should win with his gay little leg-drop routine every time. The fans are sick of it, and I'm sure the WWE superstars of today are too.
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:32 PM   #19
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Im sick of how he always hulks up every match and every wrestler that faces him looks stupid and has to act like they've never seen it before.
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The fans are sick of it
Interesting. Say, do you know who those thousands of people are in wrestling arena's that stand up and cheer and chant "HOGAN" for ten minutes whenever Hulk wrestles?

St. Jimmy - Comparing a man who has made millions of people happy to a man who murdered millions of people is just stupid and this is the only response you'll get from me in regards of that.
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Interesting. Say, do you know who those thousands of people are in wrestling arena's that stand up and cheer and chant "HOGAN" for ten minutes whenever Hulk wrestles?

St. Jimmy - Comparing a man who has made millions of people happy to a man who murdered millions of people is just stupid and this is the only response you'll get from me in regards of that.
Hitler didnt make millions of Germans happy? Maybe they didnt love him and stand in the streets for hours on end just to watch him walk by.
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The Hitler thing and the above crank call is stupid and a lame way to get the attention off what we are talking about and it's a coward way little messed up way of saying..."I just got beat!".
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You gotta be kidding. Have you heard some of the responses Hogan gets when he's on WWE TV? Hogan is where he's at today...not because he uses his backstage pull to get there....but because he gets ten minute standing ovations.
He gets them because they let him do that. You could get the same ovation from most legends.

Plus, pops are a poor mark. One of the shows I went to had Teddy Long (Then a ref, not GM or a manager) get a pop comparable to the wrestlers. Scotty sometimes gets pops that rival the main eventers. Would you use that to Justify Scotty 2 Hotty in a ME position?
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Because every guy he puts over drops the ball.
"You know, ladies, the Big Valbowski and a big pile of horseshit have a lot in common..."
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The only two people I can think of who were legitimately put over by Hogan were Brock and Goldberg and that's cause he was promised return jobs from them down the line. I appreciate what he did for wrestling but that was so long ago that it doesn't matter anymore. Yes, he's a legend. Yes, he helped draw some serious money for the company. Now it's someone else's turn.
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1. The Ultimate Warrior - He beat Hulk Hogan in a clean victory at Wrestlemania VI to win the WWF Title and retain the Intercontinental Title. Was targeted for big things, but lost the belt to Sgt. Slaughter, went crazy and all but vanished but not before demanding more money from Vince hours before a PPV and no-showing events. Then eventually ended up in WCW and all he wanted to do was talk. Then he disappeared from the wrestling world and all he does now is whine on his website and goes to colleges making anti-gay comments.
Quite possibly the greatest match they ever had thanks to some serious coreography. A loss for Hogan, sure, but he ended up weaseling his way back anymay.

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2. Sting - Beat Hogan for the WCW Title at Starrcade and relaunched his career as the "Dark Crow" Sting. Lost momentum and then the title to Savage. Started not wearing his cool trenchcoat to the ring after the Columbine massacre and lost more momentum, had a failed heel turn, and got wiped out of WCW by the then champ Scott Steiner, only to return on the last Nitro. Turned to God and refuses to work for WWE.
Yeah, Sting beat Hogan in the same sense that I can beat a three-legged dog dying of pneumonia. Hogan defeated him cleanly in a match that was ONE YEAR in the making where everyone was dying to see Sting beat the ever-loving snot out of Hogan. One Dusty finish later and you have the lamest title win this side of the Fingerpoke of Doom. Sting's later character booking can be blamed on the writers, not Sting himself.

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3. Goldberg - Took the WCW title from Hogan on Nitro, and eventually lost it back to Nash. After the "fingerpoke of doom" match, lost a lot of momentum. Like Sting, had a failed heel turn, and several injuries wiped out a lot of his heat. And then had a very crappy run in the WWE.
Again, that's not the fault of the guy in question. Who had the right to end Goldberg's streak prematurely when he was busy making everyone rich?

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Losing to someone and putting them over are two different things. Not to mention Billy Kidman is a lame ass choice for a main event push. Hogan didn't do squat here.

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Hogan should've been blessed that the Rock was willing to do the work of 10 guys at WM 18 to make sure His Hulkness still looked watchable. Hogan should also take an example from the Rock with that whole retirement thing considering he's older.

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Hogan wanted a job in return from Brock so their was no altruism here either. Not to mention that Brock was bland with no passion for wrestling anyway.

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Then you have Randy Orton. It's a good thing Hogan didn't lay out for Orton because look what happened to him.
And look what happened to Hogan. Hurt his knee getting up FROM HIS COUCH and doesn't even show up on a regular basis. What benefit does Hogan get from a win over a guy who's literally half his age with the gimmick of a legend killer? I don't like Orton, mind you but even I have to admit that was pretty retarded. Don't speak as if Hogan has the right to some sort of immunity because he doesn't.
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MAG. It's more that Sting Beat Hogan in the way that I could beat Mike Tyson if he had an aneurism before he hit me.
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Ultimate Warrior- Probably the only clean, unsabotaged job he ever did. He did it knowing Warrior wouldn't last, and gave Vince the "I told you so" treatment, starting right after the match.

Sting- If you saw Starrcade you'd know this example is only working against you. He in real life paid Nick Patrick to do the count at a normal pace, when it was supposed to be slow. He also sabotaged Sting's career and any momentum by convincing Eric Bischoff "he didn't spend enough time at the tanning bed".

Goldberg- Only jobbed to him before leaving in order to make it look to higher-ups in attendance at the big Georgia show that he drew the house. Did it under the condition that Goldberg job the title back "when the time is right". This of course ended up leading to the fingerpoke of doom catastrophe and Hogan taking the belt off Goldberg with Nash as a transition. Killed Goldberg.

Billy Kidman-You're kidding right? He never actually put him over and if you saw it you'd know that. He said Kidman "couldn't headline a flea market" and refused to do anything meaningful or decisive to help put him over. So he picked up a few pins after cheating, run-ins, swerves, etc. This doesn't matter. By that logic HHH put over the Brooklyn Brawler and Vince McMahon. He didn't do anything to help Kidman.

The Rock - Damn right he jobbed, but it was only to make himself look good in his new run with WWF and it's because Vince is in charge. But he still slimed around. He only jobbed to Rock knowing what would be in it for him that summer. That's why Austin avoided the match that year, he knew Hogan was clever enough to keep his return match until Wrestlemania and would get bigger fan support.

Brock Lesnar - Only did the job under the condition that he come back and have Brock do the job back. This of course never happened because Vince showed him the door before he could, which is why Vince > Hogan's bullshit.

So you present no real strong examples. I'll give you The Rock and Ultimate Warrior, but in Rock's case it didn't even matter, and both were just to make him look like a good employee. He knew the pros outweighed the cons in these situations.
Same as with Goldberg.


Got any more examples?
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There you have it, Hogan never did anythign without expecting something in return, that was he nature, that was how he did business.
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Hogan is such an immature prick, winning matches you're told you're going to win isn't that important when you've won so many already. It's like he actually believes these matches are real and he actually wins them.
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This argument is mostly null and void, because both sides are partially correct.

To say that Hogan hasn't given ANYTHING back to the business in 10 years is wrong. In WCW, he put over Bill Goldberg and strapped him with the WCW Championship, and he did it completely clean. His match with The Rock is going to go down in wrestling history as one of the greatest contests of all time. His incredible reception when he returned to Smackdown in 2002 was absolutely a moment to remember. And his completely one-sided loss to Brock Lesnar is what helped the Next Big Thing look ready to take on The Rock at Summerslam, at which point, he won his first WWE Championship.

Hogan has also done a lot of dirty, underhanded, cheap things in his career that have sullied not only the careers of other wrestlers, but the viewership of the fans. Arguably, WCW failed because of Hogan's greed (among other reasons) and his inability to step out of the spotlight and let someone else main event for awhile. It was his unwillingness to create new stars in WCW that led to their eventual demise, as we began to step into the new Millenium, it was clear that WCW needed new main eventers (Macho, Hogan, Flair, Sting and Roddy Piper just weren't cutting it anymore like they did in the late 90's...), and unfortunately, it was far too late for WCW.

But despite the bad things Hogan has done in his career, he's also given us, the fans, a lot of great memories and moments that will forever live in wrestling history.

And besides, he wouldn't put over SHAWN MICHAELS. Why would anyone in their right mind try to defend HBK in a matter of putting people over? That's just fucking stupid.
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According to you, Fox, Hogan (in the last ten years) put over two guys and had one really good match... vs being integral to the death of an entire company.


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It's not about what he's given to the business. He has given a lot. He gave immense amounts, thanks to what he was given to do so. He was given plenty in return.

His contributions to WWF in the late 80s and early 90s are great, and his contributions to WCW initially with the nWo were comparably meaningful to that company.

However, despite how much he was given it was no excuse for what he took away. He killed WCW practically single handedly. Of course poor decisions business wise by others, and similar political ego moves by other wrestlers were just as instrumental. But Hogan was the captain of the cancerous contingent to WCW, and by being bedfellows with Eric Bischoff, he steered the company and it's leader (in all fairness who shouldn't have allowed himself to be mired) right into the decline that killed them.

Hogan gave plenty, and made his mark. Nobody is arguing that. However, later down the road he took plenty and made his mark in a more negative way. The real problem is that he hung around in a selfish manner, clung to a spot, and sneakily and politically fed his ego and wallet in a self-satisfying destructive way. Those around him shouldn't have allowed it, he shouldn't have done it. So despite the contributions he made, he is equally responsible for what I like to call strip mining.

To use examples of his 'contributions' to the business does not make the point null and void. Since they are few, and all problematic, they only serve the fact that he's destructive. It's also problematic to use them as a way to vindicate him of his behavior. It should be expected, regardless of how much he contributed in his run, for him to put talent over, step out of the way, and allow for the business that helped make him and he helped make to thrive and grow and move forward. That's a duty.

You don't see others who've been on his level of success, (such as Austin Rock Flair and other true legends of the business) carrying on with such a track record of wrong-doing. And if they ever did, which they didn't, their contributions would not be an excuse for doing so. With that being said, they also did was right and should have been expected of them by the business and themselves, and that is pave the way as well as step out of it.
Austin and Rock put over more talent, made more talent look good, and did so much more professionally. They also didn't hang around and become cancers. Flair is still tickin and wrestling, but like them he made others look good, and for years has been content with being out of the limelight. He made a career of making others look good. They're all content with their status as true legends, as should be Hogan. So his shaky and few favors to the future are no excuse.
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