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Old 05-27-2007, 10:43 PM   #41
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I hope he doesn't get to use "Rob Van Dam". I would mark the fuck out if he came out in TNA and said his name is "ROBERT...VON...DOOM!"
He can cut promos where he shouts "NONE CAN CONTEND WITH THE WILL OF DOOM!" at the camera.

And then TNA can bring in Stevie Richards (WWE won't notice he is gone) to feud with Robert Von Doom. Cause then he could yell "RICHARDS!!" at the top of his lungs while shaking his fist in the air.
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:50 PM   #42
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If WWE owns the name he could just be Rob Van Damme/Damn/Damm.
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:52 PM   #43
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wait, even if WWE trademarked "Rob Van Dam" couldn't he just go by "Rob Van Damn"?
No that sort of thing is illegal too due to the likeness in names.

Otherwise the Dudley Boys could just be the Dudley Boyz or something like that.

And yes, I did read this topic to whoever mentioned it lol
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:12 PM   #44
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No that sort of thing is illegal too due to the likeness in names.

Otherwise the Dudley Boys could just be the Dudley Boyz or something like that.

And yes, I did read this topic to whoever mentioned it lol
Howabout Rhyno/Rhino and such?
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:19 PM   #46
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:26 PM   #47
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Howabout Rhyno/Rhino and such?
Ahh I don't really know then, I always thought that sort of thing could lead to a lawsuit? For some reason I thought remembered the bWo not getting in trouble since it was a parody of the nWo, but I thought if it wasn't parody then ECW could be a target for a lawsuit. Plus I thought WWF was gonna sue TNA when Billy Gunn debuted as The Outlaw so they changed his name

I am gonna look some more information on this type of thing now becuase I am bored as fuck anyway (so bored I am posting in the wrestling forum lol)
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:37 PM   #48
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They were gonna sue over the Outlaw. I don't know if they would have won, though. Remember that Rey Mysterio/Misterio, Rhyno/Rhino, and Booker T/Booker Tee ( ) are decent examples as to how it was gotten away with in a far more litigious time.

bWo would have been protected under parody rights, though, one way or another.
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:51 PM   #49
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I just thought of something, maybe both spellings for the Dudley Boys/Dudley Boyz are copywrited by the WWE so that's why they can't use it?
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Old 05-28-2007, 12:10 AM   #50
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They were gonna sue over the Outlaw. I don't know if they would have won, though. Remember that Rey Mysterio/Misterio, Rhyno/Rhino, and Booker T/Booker Tee ( ) are decent examples as to how it was gotten away with in a far more litigious time.

bWo would have been protected under parody rights, though, one way or another.
Well, at first, the man now known as Kip James was referred to as "The New Age Outlaw", before it was dropped down to just The Outlaw. It's interesting to me how this type of thing was never a major issue until the 90s.
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Old 05-28-2007, 12:40 AM   #51
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I just thought of something, maybe both spellings for the Dudley Boys/Dudley Boyz are copywrited by the WWE so that's why they can't use it?
Exactly. They used both versions (s and z) I believe in WWE.

Also, as far as Kip James goes, TNA wasn't in any trouble from what I heard because WWE let the copyright on the name run out.
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Exactly. They used both versions (s and z) I believe in WWE.

Also, as far as Kip James goes, TNA wasn't in any trouble from what I heard because WWE let the copyright on the name run out.
I heard that piece of information, but the person I heard it from reasoned it/"proved" it by saying, "There was really no reason for them to keep it." And THAT to me just sounds ridiculous.
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Old 05-28-2007, 01:18 AM   #54
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How about if he was a pirate? He could just be called Van Dam...which would then be followed by him proclaiming Arr VD
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Old 05-28-2007, 08:19 AM   #58
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Howabout Rhyno/Rhino and such?
Doesn't Marvel own the rights to the name "Rhino"?
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Old 05-28-2007, 08:39 AM   #59
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I think copyrights tend to be a little more specific.

So Rhino would be copyrighted for it's use in wrestling. There's no brand confusion between a comic and a sports entertainment show, so there's no issue.

At least I think it works like that. Someone back me up?
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If that's the case - why is/was there an issue with Marvel and the WWF over the name "Hulk Hogan".
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Also, as far as Kip James goes, TNA wasn't in any trouble from what I heard because WWE let the copyright on the name run out.
Trademark, not copyright.

Anyway, a quick hop over to the US Trademark and Patent Office shows that there was never a trademark on the New Age Outlaws. Not by WWE. therés an autopart manufacturer.

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Doesn't Marvel own the rights to the name "Rhino"?
As a super hero, yes. Well, Super Villain.

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If that's the case - why is/was there an issue with Marvel and the WWF over the name "Hulk Hogan".
You mean, aside from the fact that the earliest incarnation of Hulk Hogan involved him coming out from under the ring in green paint? Or "Hulking up?"

There's using a name, and then there's using elements that might leave the average Joe to believe that you're endorsed by the trademark.

See, it's about market confusion, That's why you're more prone to see a suit in wrestling over another wrestler. Because it's within the general purview. It's less common amidst a broader stream of things.
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Interesting.

Question - why couldn't the Dudley Boyz become - The Dudley Men?
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Interesting.

Question - why couldn't the Dudley Boyz become - The Dudley Men?
"From that moment on, they were no longer Dudley Boyz. They were...Dudley Men. "
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The Dudleyz trademark seemed to be very comprehensive. Considering they were under suit at one point for wrestling in camo at some indy promotion.

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The Dudleyz would probably have a case, actually. RVD was a willing participant and an idiot, but the Duly Boyz name was sold to WWE despite an ageement between Paul and his talent, no?
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How about Rhyno/Rhino and such?
In ECW he was Rhino with an I. Before going into WWE he knew he could get screwed over name wise so he called himself Rhyno. He had previously copyrighted the "Rhino" and Vince copyrighted "Rhyno". Thats pretty much why he can use his name in TNA.
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He can cut promos where he shouts "NONE CAN CONTEND WITH THE WILL OF DOOM!" at the camera.

And then TNA can bring in Stevie Richards (WWE won't notice he is gone) to feud with Robert Von Doom. Cause then he could yell "RICHARDS!!" at the top of his lungs while shaking his fist in the air.
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In ECW he was Rhino with an I. Before going into WWE he knew he could get screwed over name wise so he called himself Rhyno. He had previously copyrighted the "Rhino" and Vince copyrighted "Rhyno". Thats pretty much why he can use his name in TNA.
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Old 05-28-2007, 12:14 PM   #69
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In ECW he was Rhino with an I. Before going into WWE he knew he could get screwed over name wise so he called himself Rhyno. He had previously copyrighted the "Rhino" and Vince copyrighted "Rhyno". Thats pretty much why he can use his name in TNA.
Sorry but wrong.

Rhino was using that name before he went to ECW. Worked under "Rhino Richards" for indys over Canada and the northern states. He can prove it's something he created. The Dudleys were a name created in ECW but not by Paul Heyman. That's where the agruement comes in on who owns the name. If it went to court, WWE thinks they own ECW copyrights but they only own what they can prove ECW created. They would have had the Raven gimmick had ECW not already given up that right when Raven went to WCW. Team 3D would probably win but it would cost more money in legal fees then they could get back working in the ring (over $100,000). They don't want the name back now either as WWE sends them regular royalty checks.

In WWE, Vince McMahon decides what you are called. Rhino/Rhyno doesn't decide it.
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Sorry but wrong.

Rhino was using that name before he went to ECW. Worked under "Rhino Richards" for indys over Canada and the northern states. He can prove it's something he created. The Dudleys were a name created in ECW but not by Paul Heyman. That's where the agruement comes in on who owns the name. If it went to court, WWE thinks they own ECW copyrights but they only own what they can prove ECW created. They would have had the Raven gimmick had ECW not already given up that right when Raven went to WCW. Team 3D would probably win but it would cost more money in legal fees then they could get back working in the ring (over $100,000). They don't want the name back now either as WWE sends them regular royalty checks.

In WWE, Vince McMahon decides what you are called. Rhino/Rhyno doesn't decide it.
So why didn't Rhino have to go by Rhino Richards like Christian had to go by Christian Cage?
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Old 05-28-2007, 01:04 PM   #72
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By the way, thereis currently one and only one way for RVD to own his name. By which, of course, I mean "Rob Van Dam" Not Rob Ivanovich Lobochevski. Or however you spell it.

WWE owns the actual trademark, and if they were willing to have licensed it to him like they did (Or were planning to) with the Rock, then he could "own" his name in all but the most rigid of senses. But given there's no reason to, and RVD isn't going into movies or something similarly nonthreatening, I doubt they'd do ANYTHING to that extent.
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So why didn't Rhino have to go by Rhino Richards like Christian had to go by Christian Cage?
WWE already called him "Rhyno". Can't have it both ways.
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Why wouldn't be able to keep his name? He used it before ECW so in court he can prove it's not their copyright and thus WWE doesn't own it.
The Dudley Boys???
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There has been much speculation that Robert Szatowski (Rob Van Dam) had signed over his ring name to the WWE, but that’s not the case. So, if Szatowski was to sign with another company outside the WWE, he can choose to go by the alias Rob Van Dam without having any legal issues after leaving the company.

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There has been much speculation that Robert Szatowski (Rob Van Dam) had signed over his ring name to the WWE, but that’s not the case. So, if Szatowski was to sign with another company outside the WWE, he can choose to go by the alias Rob Van Dam without having any legal issues after leaving the company.

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Sorry, but that's wrong. FACT.

RVD is on record with the WWE Trademark, rescinding all claims to usage. FACT.

I'd link you up, but The Trademark/Patent office requires a database search.
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