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Old 07-15-2007, 09:51 PM   #1
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Brock Lesnar is an excellent wrestlers but the reports are he couldn't even get close to Shelton Benjamin, nevermind Kurt Angle. Lesnar didn't show any wrestling technique in his MMA fight but he has it.
Well in terms of all the national champ HWT wrestlers through the years, Brock is nowhere near the best, but he did take the guy down with a train double leg in his fight before he started pummeling him, so i dont see how he didnt show his wrestling skills.
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Old 07-16-2007, 02:24 PM   #2
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Well in terms of all the national champ HWT wrestlers through the years, Brock is nowhere near the best, but he did take the guy down with a train double leg in his fight before he started pummeling him, so i dont see how he didnt show his wrestling skills.
And what he did do that Ortiz didn't?
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:35 PM   #3
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And what he did do that Ortiz didn't?
go to a d1 program all american 4 times and win the d1 championship his senior year. In terms of the match he did what he should do, bring it to the ground... what does tito have to do with it anyway? get off his nuts. Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour. He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god. What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT. All tito has wrestled was a bit for junior college which california junior colleges dont even participate in the njcaa national championship with the rest of the country. If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again. Hes a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning. He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:39 PM   #4
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go to a d1 program all american 4 times and win the d1 championship his senior year.
I stopped reading after this line. Did he do all this during his first MMA match? No. The point is that he didn't showcase his wrestling skills in his fight anymore than Ortiz did in his but yet we know his pedigree. Again, because you don't show the skills it doesn't mean you don't have them.
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Old 07-17-2007, 04:28 PM   #5
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I stopped reading after this line. Did he do all this during his first MMA match? No. The point is that he didn't showcase his wrestling skills in his fight anymore than Ortiz did in his but yet we know his pedigree. Again, because you don't show the skills it doesn't mean you don't have them.
Well since you can only read one line of text Im going to break it up for you.

Brock train doubled the guy, then beat him into submission.

Double legs are big in wrestling.

The guy tapped in like 30 seconds. I cant believe your using this as an example.

Wrestling skill has nothing to do with submissions/jujitsu. Wrestling is all possitioning and technique. I.E Sean Sherk (perfect example of wrestling skill in MMA)
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In case you have learned to read more than one line of text at a time Im going to repost this:

Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour.

He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god.

What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT.

If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again.

Tito is a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning.

He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.
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In case you have learned to read more than one line of text at a time Im going to repost this:
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Everyone says tito has amazing wrestling skills. But everyone is basing that off all his opponents he had before his first fight with randy cotour.
No. They base that on his previous wrestling experience but his competing in the Abu Dhabi wrestling tournaments and what not.


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He had the basics and it made him look amazing against guys that had almost no experience other than jujitsu or judo. Of course hes going to look like a wrestling god.
Bullshit but whatever. His basic wrestling beat black belt BJJ? What does that tell you?

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What happened when he went up against someone who actually did have amazing wrestling skill??? *cough* Randy *cough*.... HE GOT HIS ASS BEAT.
Got beat by an Olympic standard wrestler? Lots of shame in that. Not like Randy Couture has beaten anyone of any importance since right.


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If evans was as big/strong as tito, tito would have gotten smoked again.
But Evans isn't as big or strong so this is fucking nonsense. I'd beat Tito if I had great wrestling skills and weighed 220lbs on the day of the fight. But I don't so it's irrelevant. Move on.


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Tito is a good brawler but hes a jack of some trades and master of none. He has OK striking, decent wrestling, almost no submissions to speak of, supposedly he has this awsome conditioning.
His conditioning has never been suspect since he lost to Frank Shamrock. Rashad was 5 seconds from being choked out from those no submissions too.

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He better start to focus on what he needs to do to get himself better or hes going to turn into a shamrock real fast.
How many men has Ortiz lost to in the last 8 years? 2. Shamrock has barely beaten 2 men in that time.
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:57 AM   #8
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Bullshit but whatever. His basic wrestling beat black belt BJJ? What does that tell you?
It tells me that any wrestling experience gives you a huge advantage in MMA... umm duh



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Got beat by an Olympic standard wrestler? Lots of shame in that. Not like Randy Couture has beaten anyone of any importance since right.
See this is just proof that you would was titos balls if he asked you too. There is no shame in losing to randy you nitwit. On the randy comment I dont know whether your being a smart ass or a dumbass but whatever.




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But Evans isn't as big or strong so this is fucking nonsense. I'd beat Tito if I had great wrestling skills and weighed 220lbs on the day of the fight. But I don't so it's irrelevant. Move on.
ok fair enough



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His conditioning has never been suspect since he lost to Frank Shamrock. Rashad was 5 seconds from being choked out from those no submissions too.
The guillotine is the most basic choke hold there is. Its almost instictual to apply it. Oh and that basic move DIDNT submit Rashad. Move On.


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How many men has Ortiz lost to in the last 8 years? 2. Shamrock has barely beaten 2 men in that time.
8 years ago tito was killing people. Im talking about him now. And yea Frank actually beat 4 people Since beating Ortiz.
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