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Old 08-06-2007, 09:32 PM   #1
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Misawa comes to ROH in November... (Official ROH thread Ver 2.0)
So, Misawa said on a talk show that him and Joe Higuchi would be coming to ROH in November... INteresting note, is that Joe is generally the guy who reads the declaration before said matches... So it's possible Misawa might be defending the GHC Heavyweight belt in ROH... Second defense of the belt in ROH possibly...



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Old 08-06-2007, 10:01 PM   #2
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Old 08-06-2007, 10:18 PM   #3
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Also Pearce and Whitmer aren't on the upcoming cards....I wonder why
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Awesome news about Misawa
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:22 PM   #6
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Shit. I will hitchhike to NYC (likely location) just to see fucking MISAWA.

Although, the only ones who could realistically hang with him are Morishima, Danielson and Joe, assuming Joe is done with TNA soon.
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:28 AM   #7
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The first time I saw Misawa live I didn't really know alot about him as I didn't follow Japanese wrestling, after seeing him, wow! That guy can fucking move!

You want to know why this is such a great thing? Just watch this:
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:49 AM   #8
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I have to say 2 things. Misawa and Kobashi are seriously two of the greatest wrestlers ever.

Also, I don't care what anyone says, I absolutely love NOAH's style of matches (King's Road esque style)
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:50 AM   #9
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This is huge for ROH, as it will get their fanbase excited, and it will get them a lot of further exposure in Japan. Like a lot. Misawa is a God over there. By the sounds of it, he's got some people tuning in over here, too.

I would hope that if he came over here, he would defend the GHC Heavyweight Championship. In my perfect vision, Samoa Joe would take a walk from TNA when his contract expires later this year, hopefully in time for it to be Misawa vs. Joe for the GHC Heavyweight Championship.

Misawa is past his prime, I suppose, but ROH has gotten the best out of guys who come over, and the fans will hopefully really get Misawa into the great match zone he is capable of. It will probably be one of ROH's more iconic appearances.
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:53 AM   #10
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Part of me would love to see a defend the GHC title one night against someone like Danielson, and another night, if he did two, fight for the ROH title. Granted Morishima Vs Misawa is nothing new ( assuming Shima is still the champ), if Shima won, despite him being a NOAH talent, the ROH champ going over Misawa would be huge, and would be even bigger for whoever dethrones Shima.
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Normally I would be offended, but knowing that only 2 maybe 3 other people will see that doesnt really bother me.
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Your lack of being offended doesn't change the fact that you are, indeed, the suck.
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So I guess that makes Instant Classin = RoH?

Oh wait, Instant Classic doesn't have predictable booking with long overdrawn 90+ minute matches that usually end in time limit draws.

EDIT (1:28PM) However I am fairly sure that Instant Classic jobs convincingly and cleanly to NOAH wrestlers at every oppurtunity to appease them. This may be the only thing they have in common.
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Old 08-07-2007, 01:24 PM   #19
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I would also like to note the lack of ring physcology in ROH.
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I'm going to agree with IC on ROH. Sure they can do every move under the sun, but can they work a match that tell a story instead of match built on spot after spot after spot. And not a dog named spot, not my spot, but a high spot.
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Old 08-07-2007, 02:44 PM   #21
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You seen a Nigel or Dragon match? They don't go spot crazy
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You seen a Nigel or Dragon match? They don't go spot crazy
So, you are telling me that 2 people in the entire promotion don't do crazy spots and that is suppose to redeem the entire promotion. That is like saying because of Taz, Beniot, and Malenko, ECW wasn't a promotion based on garabage wrestling.
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Those were the first two who came to mind, plus a bunch of guys I'd use as an example have left the company recently. Homicide, Colt, Joe, Daniels were all smart when it came to matches.

Aries, Pearce, Whitmer, Strong, Claudio, Albright, and others are pretty good. ROH has been good with getting away from the spot monkey matches. Those spot crazy matches are usually reserved for the Briscoes
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I have seen Chris Daniels and Soma Joe work. They still don't use that much psychology.
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Now granted, I live in KC. I have seen a couple of ROH matches at best and all I remember is a bunch of spot monkeys flipping around trying to out spot each other. And I'm not about to go buy some dvd just to see more of that crap. Now they could have changed since last I saw. But I doubt it. Plus I'll start caring about a guy once he signs a WWE contract.

Anyone can get over with a bunch of smark by doing a million moves. It takes talent to get ahead in WWE.
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Now granted, I live in KC. I have seen a couple of ROH matches at best and all I remember is a bunch of spot monkeys flipping around trying to out spot each other. And I'm not about to go buy some dvd just to see more of that crap. Now they could have changed since last I saw. But I doubt it. Plus I'll start caring about a guy once he signs a WWE contract.

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So I guess that makes Instant Classin = RoH?

Oh wait, Instant Classic doesn't have predictable booking with long overdrawn 90+ minute matches that usually end in time limit draws.

EDIT (1:28PM) However I am fairly sure that Instant Classic jobs convincingly and cleanly to NOAH wrestlers at every oppurtunity to appease them. This may be the only thing they have in common.
You're kidding right? Has a match in ROH ever gone 90 minutes?
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No but they can be brutally long.
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So, you are telling me that 2 people in the entire promotion don't do crazy spots and that is suppose to redeem the entire promotion. That is like saying because of Taz, Beniot, and Malenko, ECW wasn't a promotion based on garabage wrestling.
That is about as unfounded as me saying that everyone in the WWE is a spot monkey. Which guys in ROH are you referring to?

There is definitely more psychology in ROH than WWE. The last match I saw in the WWE with good psychology was probably something with Chris Benoit, Mr. Kennedy, MVP or Matt Hardy. That's going to go bye-bye with the WWE trying to turn SmackDown! into a RAW clone, only without the stars to support itself.

The quote "it takes talent to get ahead in WWE" is laughable. They have plenty of talented guys. NONE are being used to their full potential, except for maybe John Morrison.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:07 PM   #31
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So ROH is more talented then the WWE guys? That is what your saying?
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No but they can be brutally long.
I'll give you that one. Sometimes the matches in ROH reach too long for "epic." ROH has its problems, it doesn't always has perfect booking, and sometimes, yes, matches do go on too long. Almost every match the WWE has is too short, though. I think I'd rather longer than shorter.
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So ROH is more talented then the WWE guys? That is what your saying?
What I'm saying is that the guys in ROH are allowed to be more talented, and compete at the level they are capable of, which is very good for most of them.
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You're kidding right? Has a match in ROH ever gone 90 minutes?
It's certainly seemed that way at times. And I remember Bryan Danielson having 4 consecutive title defenses ending in time limit draw. And while I haven't seen too many spot heavy matches other than those involving Jack Evans or Jimmy Jacobs I will point out that a lot of their psychology makes the matches look really obvious that it's fake. Colt Cabana's matches instantly come to mind. All honesty everytime he horses around and acts like a goofball mid-hold while his opponent does NOTHING to get the advantage makes me shake my head. Same thing with Austin Aries' stupid Head-Stand "counter".
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What, in WWE, at least they have psychology.
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They used to about 5 years ago, now there are about as many guys in ROH who know ring pstchology as there are in WWE.

And at least the spotfests you get in ROH are somewhat entertaining. In WWE, if a match lacks psychology you get two guys throwing around common, boring moves and rest holds for 10minutes.

Also, back to your original statement of needing talent to succeed in WWE, how many guys on the roster who have never been champion are more talented than Cena, Batista, or Lashley?

A lot.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:37 PM   #38
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BDC, you said yourself you've seen very little ROH. You didn't even specify from what time frame you saw it. New ROH is way better than old ROH. Basically, your opinion has no grounds to support itself. And "OH, I've seen JOe wrestle in TNA" doesn't work either, since he's horribly watered down in TNA.

But let's be honest, if you think that the majority of WWE matches are better than the majority of ROH matches, you're fucking crazy anyway. WWE has psychology? If you're fucking lucky. I'm not saying ROH has tons of psychology, but to boast about how much psychology the WWE has is retarded.

Furthermore, WWE matches are so watered down it's pathetic. Most wrestlers have punches, your standard filler moves, 2 signature moves, and a finisher. The videogame counterparts of most WWE wrestlers have a bigger moveset.

Even people who HAVE talent in WWE are watered down. Take Cena for example, or Carlito, or Shelton, or Haas. How watered down are they in comparrison to what they could do.

Let's not even get started on the bad angles, the diva search, Eugene, the chop machine World Champion, etc, etc , etc.

I'm a wrestling fan. ROH is the company putting on the most consistent and best wrestling in America right now. You want to diagree? Fine, go ahead, but at least have something real to back it up with. While I don't agree with his opinion, at least Super V can actually make a specific arguement. (Albeit weak at best)

Yes, some matches go long. Yes, Bryan Danielson comes to mind. Outside of him though, there aren't a ton of LONG matches in ROH. You're standard ROH match is going to be under 20 minutes, with a main event match usually being somewhere between 20-35. I'm pretty damn positive I can go to the ROH board, and get the match times and they'll back me up on that.

And BTW Super V, if you don't like Colt Cabana, than good for you. He's a comedy style wrestler. However, you're seriously probably in the minority in regards to him, as everyone else seems to love him.

Anywho, I grow tired of this. So, in closing, if you're actually going to try to bash ROH, try watching it first, and know what you're talking about, because most of you don't, and the only person who seems remotely in the know (Super V), has a pretty weak arguement.

Also, ROH > WWE. Granted, it's like comparing apples and oranges, but as a wrestling fan, I'll choose the company with actual wrestling.
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BDC, you said yourself you've seen very little ROH. You didn't even specify from what time frame you saw it. New ROH is way better than old ROH. Basically, your opinion has no grounds to support itself. And "OH, I've seen Joe wrestle in TNA" doesn't work either, since he's horribly watered down in TNA.

But let's be honest, if you think that the majority of WWE matches are better than the majority of ROH matches, you're fucking crazy anyway. WWE has psychology? If you're fucking lucky. I'm not saying ROH has tons of psychology, but to boast about how much psychology the WWE has is retarded.

Furthermore, WWE matches are so watered down it's pathetic. Most wrestlers have punches, your standard filler moves, 2 signature moves, and a finisher. The videogame counterparts of most WWE wrestlers have a bigger moveset.

Even people who HAVE talent in WWE are watered down. Take Cena for example, or Carlito, or Shelton, or Haas. How watered down are they in comparrison to what they could do.

Let's not even get started on the bad angles, the diva search, Eugene, the chop machine World Champion, etc, etc , etc.

I'm a wrestling fan. ROH is the company putting on the most consistent and best wrestling in America right now. You want to diagree? Fine, go ahead, but at least have something real to back it up with. While I don't agree with his opinion, at least Super V can actually make a specific arguement. (Albeit weak at best)

Yes, some matches go long. Yes, Bryan Danielson comes to mind. Outside of him though, there aren't a ton of LONG matches in ROH. You're standard ROH match is going to be under 20 minutes, with a main event match usually being somewhere between 20-35. I'm pretty damn positive I can go to the ROH board, and get the match times and they'll back me up on that.

And BTW Super V, if you don't like Colt Cabana, than good for you. He's a comedy style wrestler. However, you're seriously probably in the minority in regards to him, as everyone else seems to love him.

Anywho, I grow tired of this. So, in closing, if you're actually going to try to bash ROH, try watching it first, and know what you're talking about, because most of you don't, and the only person who seems remotely in the know (Super V), has a pretty weak arguement.

Also, ROH > WWE. Granted, it's like comparing apples and oranges, but as a wrestling fan, I'll choose the company with actual wrestling.
I would love to watch enough ROH just to make my arguments more compelling, but until I can watch some for free, that isn't going to happen. What I have seen, I beleve was from early last year, I could be wrong...it was Spanky and some other guy I can't remember. All I remeber is them flopping around like rag doll, not building towards anything.

As for ROH > WWE, in what respect? Because ROH has more money? No that can't be it. ROH has more viewers? No, I don't believe so. ROH has better workers? Um...maybe, but not really. Oh, I got it, is it because ROH guys can do what ever they want in the ring?

Look, all I saying is that you have to know how to tie a match together (or at least good road agents that can do it) if you are only allowed to use 10 moves instead of 100 and get over. I mean seriously, look at a list of the top draws ever then look at a list of the "most talented/techincal" works. There will be little to no corrilation.
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I would love to watch enough ROH just to make my arguments more compelling, but until I can watch some for free, that isn't going to happen. What I have seen, I beleve was from early last year, I could be wrong...it was Spanky and some other guy I can't remember. All I remeber is them flopping around like rag doll, not building towards anything.

As for ROH > WWE, in what respect? Because ROH has more money? No that can't be it. ROH has more viewers? No, I don't believe so. ROH has better workers? Um...maybe, but not really. Oh, I got it, is it because ROH guys can do what ever they want in the ring?

Look, all I saying is that you have to know how to tie a match together (or at least good road agents that can do it) if you are only allowed to use 10 moves instead of 100 and get over. I mean seriously, look at a list of the top draws ever then look at a list of the "most talented/techincal" works. There will be little to no corrilation.
If you really want to watch some for free, go to PW Torrents and get some. Hell, maybe I'll send you a dvd of some matches. But honestly, you really can't judge a promotion by one or two matches.

As far as my little ROH > WWE, that's just my honest opinion from watching both. As a fan, I enjoy ROH more all around. I don't care if they make more money, have more exposure, have a better business model, etc. When it comes down to it, ROH gives me what I want as a wrestling fan. WWE does not.

Also, I don't see where ROH talent has a problem "tying good matches together." Yes, you are going to have your brawls, your spot fests, etc, but that's the same case for every promotion. in the end though, IMO, the good goes outway the bad (which I can't say for the WWE recently, nor TNA.)

I think you hit the nail on the head with your last comment though. There would be little correlation between top draws and best in the ring. There's a reason for that though. The top draws in wrestling are going to be in the WWE. The WWE doesn't hold technical talent in high regard apparently. Someone like Cena, who is a draw (to an extent), could wrestle much better than he is. The WWE doesn't want him too. The WWE wants to have it's own style, and hey, more power to them I suppose. In some cases, the draw isn't going to be affected by the technical skill. Cena, I feel would draw the same regardless how he wrestles. If he wrestled better, he'd just catch less flack.

On the opposite side is someone like Bryan Danielson. He's talented, but he'd never be a big draw.

I know who I'd rather watch though. Danielson can tie a better match together and make a match flow better with 100 moves than Cena can with 10. However, mainstream wrestling has become geared towards the 10 move brawling style, so while Cena may not tie together a better wrestling match, it'll probably be more "over." That doesn't mean, to me at least, he had the better match.

ROH plays to a niche though. The people who would rather watch Danielson than Cena. ROH isn't trying to compete, it's offering an alternative. One that I'd honestly rather have. It really comes down to what you'd rather watch "pro-wrestling" or "sports entertainment."

Anywho, you should go to pw torrents and check out some ROH. Hell, if you're really ambitious, there's a free seed of a torrent that's al the ROH shows from 06.
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