There really is room for an alternative in professional wrestling...

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool Never said it was. And didn't mean to agree with 'Noid on the point either. RoH is a distant 3rd at best. It is a local promotion, that just has the smallest of footholds to get nation distribution of tapes. It needs a lot of work before it can be in running.

They've run shows in New York, PA, NJ,Hartford, St. Paul, Boston, Detroit, Cleveland, Dayton, Chicago, the UK and Japan. That's all within the past year. They're going to be running a show in Vegas soon, and are going to have a large present at Wrestlefest in san Fran coming up.

They have a ppv deal, a strong working relationship with NOAH (the 2nd biggest company in Japan right now), and Dragongate, and have also worked with AJPW in the past. Many ROH wrestlers are touring with NOAH as well. It pretty much has it's own farm league in FIP as well.

Say what you will about ROH, but I think you're going to have a hard time convincing people who actually know what they're talking about that ROH is "A local fed that has the smallest of footholds." It's not mainstream, but it's definitely risen above indy level, and like it or not, it is the number 3 company in America right now, both in reach, and in profit.

[BigDaddyCool]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? Say what you will about ROH, but I think you're going to have a hard time convincing people who actually know what they're talking about that ROH is "A local fed that has the smallest of footholds." It's not mainstream, but it's definitely risen above indy level, and like it or not, it is the number 3 company in America right now, both in reach, and in profit.

Yeah, I'll have a hard time convincing those 5 people of anything, but the rest of the nation still has no idea what an roh is. Don't take it personal, but RoH is still a local fed. They are still an indy promotion. Once they start producing live ppv we will talk. But right now they really are a distant 3rd place behind TNA and WWE in terms of size. Now in terms of quality, they could be better, but that is down to personal taste (that being said, it wouldn't be hard to make a better product than either WWE or TNA right now).

I would love to see some hard number to prove RoH's size as compared to WWE or TNA. And I'm still waitting for those tapes to see what kind of product they actaully produce. I honstely am not trying to knock RoH, but anyone who thinks they are on the verge of breaking into the "Big Three" is not thinking right. There isn't even a big 2. TNA is still reginional in terms of size and tour capibilities. There is no promotion that even reaches WWE's level right now.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool There isn't even a big 2.

That sums things up pretty well about the level of competition among wrestling promotions. There is just the Big One, and that is it. TNA is the medium one. ROH is just the biggest indy fed.

Say there's a pond, and there is three kinds of fish in the pond. One of them is a shark, one of them is a goldfish, and the rest are just a bunch of guppies. The shark is obviously WWE, the goldfish is obviously TNA, and ROH is just the fattest guppy. But, still a guppy nonetheless.