Tovo's Thoughts on Titles...

[Chavo Classic]

Originally Posted by The One Second of all, John Cena with the US Belt was far better than once he got to MAin Events. When he was a white rapper he was kind of annoying, but most people really liked it...when he was a former white rapper turned movie maker mugging for the camera with Marine salutes...THAT'S when his shitness took a turn for the worst. Bobby Lashley sucks anus, but again, his reign was handeled well. That's the biggest thing, look at how their reigns where handled. Plus, think of how many times the US Champ was involved with Main Event feuds compared to how many times the IC Champ has been...I can't really think of one to be honest.

God I hate it when you're right but...

Originally Posted by The One There really hasn't been a time when I didn't know who the US Champ was...the IC Belt (which by the way, I don't know why you used as an example against the US Belt since I am officially recognizing both)

The comparison was to highlight my point that the US title is an equivalent to the IC title. It occupies the same role and serves the same purpose. Personally, I don't see why they had to bring it back when they already had the IC title.

Originally Posted by The One (The IC title) has been kind of meaninglessly thrown around I feel. No real feuds, and really, since the US Belt has been introduced back in 2003...

The two lasting feuds I can think of are

a) Benoit and Orlando. And the only thing that accomplished was to show Orland is a jabroni who taps out within twenty seconds, and as a result, that Benoit can beat a jabroni.

b) Carlito and Cena. Carlito beats Cena in his first match. Cena gets "stabbed". Cena comes back and doesn't beat on Carlito but beats on Jesus instead. Not very meaningful at all really.

Originally Posted by The One Almost everyone who's won it has made a huge leap upwards in their career, not so for the IC Belt (post 2004 or so). It just seems the last 3 years has been complete waste...but never the less, I still recognize and respect the IC Title as it has done nothing to disgrace itself in recent years.

There's an equal amount of IC holders who have gone on to bigger things also: Orton, Edge, Umaga, Christian Cage (albeit in TNA) and Nitro/Morrison. It has also served well in acting as a stepping stone to the supposed next generation of headliners. Which again underlines my question: why did the WWE need another second-tier IC-like belt, when it already had one?

We don't need a IC belt for both brands, because the WWE has a habit recently of trading the next big thing to Raw or Smackdown without having to build up a reputation or a streak using that respective brand's "IC title". So, the US title is completely meangingless.

[The One]

Originally Posted by Chavo The two lasting feuds I can think of are a) Benoit and Orlando. And the only thing that accomplished was to show Orland is a jabroni who taps out within twenty seconds, and as a result, that Benoit can beat a jabroni. b) Carlito and Cena. Carlito beats Cena in his first match. Cena gets "stabbed". Cena comes back and doesn't beat on Carlito but beats on Jesus instead. Not very meaningful at all really.

I decided to only focus on this part of your post for now...

MVP/Hardy is probably hands down the best feud going in WWE right now. The fact that it's been months and months with them as tag partners sometimes, who hate each other all the times, and between the two of them no one can stay healthy long enough to get a PPV match...I don't know...something about it is almost magical. I LOVE this feud. Don't dis this feud.

Before MVP/Hardy was MVP/Benoit. And that was another fucking incredible feud. The matches they had were off the hook. MVP improved by leaps and bounds working with old Crazy Chris. Again, don't diss on this feud...it was the goods.

When Kennedy was Champ, he was feuding with The Undertaker. Now tell me when the last time the IC Champ was in a feud with a brand's top legend.

Finley with the Belt running a muck with Little Bastard was golden.

JBL feuding with Benoit over the belt was just fucking incredible.

Benoit/Booker feud was top notch. (though not as good as their WCW feud was, and sadly injury kind of ruined the best of series...)

I'm sorry, but most of the best feuds of the past few years have belonged to the US Title. I don't know what you could poissibly have against it.