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Old 10-31-2007, 07:11 PM   #41
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How did I know you'd be the first to say something about it?

Well you're the one claiming that "To claim he sucks based upon one aspect of his gimmick is weak, I say."

So I responded by saying that, no, he sucks in all aspects.

Actually I think he sucks at sucking at that, too.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:25 PM   #42
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Mr. Kennedy sucks 8 cocks.

MVP might be the next big star.

Jeff Hardy should get a run with the world title.

Santino Marella is the greatest man in the history of the fucking planet.
Kennedy was the best thing on Smackdown last year, and him and MVP were awesome when they teamed up briefly. But since being moved to Raw there's just something missing. Raw has too much talent to try and fit in, leaving Kennedy slightly lost in the shuffle. He needs another clean win over a top star to help elevate him, or an IC title run.

MVP is my favourite Wrestler right now, the WWE have found an absolute DIAMOND in amoungst all the rough and bland talent that's been coming through the last few years. He has a great gimmick, he can talk, and has been incredible in the ring since doing that program with Benoit. His feud with Matt Hardy has been built perfectly and is fresh every week.

Jeff Hardy is mid card for life. I wouldn't buy him as a Champion, maybe in ECW though.

Santino is the funniest character on Raw and never fails to deliver the goods.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:40 PM   #43
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Well you're the one claiming that "To claim he sucks based upon one aspect of his gimmick is weak, I say."

So I responded by saying that, no, he sucks in all aspects.

Actually I think he sucks at sucking at that, too.
I was actually gearing towards your seemingly built in hatred for the man, knowing you'd be the first to claim he sucked. You're stance on him obviously won't change no matter what I say or claim in order to sell him to you as a performer, so it all seems pretty moot at this point.
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:03 PM   #44
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Jeff Hardy is mid card for life. I wouldn't buy him as a Champion, maybe in ECW though.

Santino is the funniest character on Raw and never fails to deliver the goods.
Death would be too kind for you.
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:20 PM   #45
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:31 PM   #46
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Kennedy is crazy good. There's so much potential in the guy, it's wild. To claim he sucks based upon one aspect of his gimmick is weak, I say.

I haven't seen enough of MVP to make a fair judgment. Smarks seem to flock to him recently, though, so he'll be jobbing out to Batista soon.
No, Kennedy sucks. And Smarks might be flocking to MVP because he is actually good.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:42 PM   #47
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No, Kennedy sucks. And Smarks might be flocking to MVP because he is actually good.
Like Doug Basham.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:44 PM   #48
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, good point Double K. But the smart smarks (as opposed to the alienoid kind) like MVP.

Also, what ever happened to Double ]{?
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:52 PM   #49
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No, Kennedy sucks. And Smarks might be flocking to MVP because he is actually good.
Like I said, with no prior viewing experience of MVP, I can't dispute how "good" he is. But I stick by my argument that if the smarks do love him, he'll be jobbed out quicker than a Save Us promo can disappoint with a no show.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:55 PM   #50
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, good point Double K. But the smart smarks (as opposed to the alienoid kind) like MVP.

Also, what ever happened to Double ]{?
He quit after it turned out Testgal was really banging Chavo.

Smarks like a lot of people, though. A lot of which are total ass
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:59 PM   #51
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:02 AM   #52
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Still would like to know whats good about Santino
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:56 AM   #53
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Dunno if you read this thread at all Skippord, but I think people have gone into a decent amount of detail on what they like about Santino Marella already.
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:50 AM   #54
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come on....

nobody likes Jeff Hatu for real though
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:26 AM   #55
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I think it would be like "OH SHIT! JEFF HARDY'S CHAMP! ", but shortly thereafter, it'd be like ".....oh shit. Jeff Hardy's champ. ".

Ya know?
Jeff Hardy winning the title would be an okay thing. Jeff Hardy BEING champion, defending the title, that would suck. It would be like if Rey Mysterio ever became World Champion. It would be a sort of novel thing that people loved when it happened, but it would soon become clear that he just isn't capable of it, it would shatter the suspension of disbelief, and nobody would take it seriously. Thank God they've never done that.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:26 AM   #56
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Dunno if you read this thread at all Skippord, but I think people have gone into a decent amount of detail on what they like about Santino Marella already.
Not particularly.

Or not any useful detail. Platitutdes are nice, but don't really answer the question.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:43 AM   #57
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Ken Kennedy got a fucking bad match out of Shawn Michaels. He sucks. All he has is a ring intro. His psychology is the shits. He works like he thinks he is Steve Austin but the difference is that Steve Austin can actually work.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:51 AM   #58
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I used to like Kennedy, but ever since his return, he's bored me.

I can't picture (and probably never will) Jeff Hardy with a World Title. He gets an awesome reaction every night, but the whole gimmick just doesn't have "World Champion" to it.

MVP I can'r say I've seen much of. I don't watch Smackdown

Yes, Santino is the best guy on the Raw roster right now. You know the WWE is behind a guy when he gets 10-15 minute segments every week and rarely wrestlers. His mic skills are the best in the company and his wrestlng is decent. But hey, if you're that good on the mic, you can get away with being an average wrestler.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:09 AM   #59
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Kennedy: I still find him more likable than most other people on the roster. I'm starting to find the whole "Kennedy...Kennedy" think real annoying, but otherwise he's the goods. I find his character very strong for a heel, liking the fact that he really wants to win his matches and gets extremely upset when he loses. Also in a time where almost every heel tends to have that chickenshit streak, I like the fact that he never really backs down, even from the faces. I guess you could put someone else with the same gimmick, but he pulls it off fairly well and I'm sticking on his bandwagon for it.

MVP: Yea, I haven't watched Smackdown regularly since Kurt Angle and Brock Lesner were feuding for the second time, so I have no opinion over MVP other than SNME and a few PPVs. He seems okay to me, and I would say the MVP vs. Matt Hardy feud is the best thing in the fed today, but until I sit down and watch a few episodes of Smackdown, that's all I got to say.

Santino is okay. He's funny, but I'm not as impressed with him as everyone else seeems to be. Maybe in time I'll like him more, but that will probably be the point where everyone else wants to jump off his dick.
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Kennedy has no business being in the ring. At times he appears sloppy as hell, and is piss boring.

MVP is the goods, and his feud with Matt is the best thing going on in wrestling at the moment. Can't wait for the eventual blowoff with Hardy getting the title and then moving MVP into the main event scene.

Santino: Has a great personality. Needs a little more polish in the ring and maybe a moveset.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:36 PM   #61
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Santino is okay. He's funny, but I'm not as impressed with him as everyone else seeems to be. Maybe in time I'll like him more, but that will probably be the point where everyone else wants to jump off his dick.
And by that time, the bandwagon will have found someone else.
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Santino: Has a great personality. Needs a little more polish in the ring and maybe a moveset.

Moveset? What the fuck? "Movesets" don't mean shit. This ain't a video game.

And he should NEVER wrestle.
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Old 11-01-2007, 06:03 PM   #63
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In that case, he fits in really well with the current environment.
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Old 11-01-2007, 06:11 PM   #64
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Not particularly.

Or not any useful detail. Platitutdes are nice, but don't really answer the question.
There's really no concrete answer to the question. It's all a matter of opinion. At least that's the best you're going to get here in this particular venue. I know I've personally stated why I like Santino many times over the past few months, and I'm not suggesting that you or Skippord should agree, but he can still acknowledge the fact that other people feel how they feel about him.
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Did he try and take that away from anybody, Thrilla?

Or did he say he didn't get how/why people liked him?

I mean, previously, didn't you say that you didn't get how someone could call him boring when I did just that?
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:21 PM   #66
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Yeah, but I followed it up with 'to each his own'.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:01 PM   #67
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Santino was the cause of the only time I was ever entertained by anything involving Sandman:

"You just-a jealous because I make-a love to beautiful Maria, and you make-a love a-to your stick!"

They need to do with him what they were doing with Carlito and Matt Morgan; stick him with some big useless idiot and have him run his mouth and be amusing. When they have tag matches he should be in the ring very little, only to let his partner rest, and he should always insist on getting pins.
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:05 PM   #68
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Mr. Kennedy sucks 8 cocks.

MVP might be the next big star.

Jeff Hardy should get a run with the world title.

Santino Marella is the greatest man in the history of the fucking planet.
-I don't think Kennedy is that bad. I actually think he's a lot more entertaining than most others on the current WWE roster. I do agree however, that he needs more than "KENNNEDAAAAAY!" if he's to be taken seriously as a main-eventer. His in-ring work needs a lot of work as well.

-MVP, if he stays healthy, definitely has the tools needed to be a serious main-event heel.

-Jeff Hardy should get a world title run, but only if he's on Smackdown. Jeff Hardy, on RAW, with the world title would just look awkward IMO. Put Jeff Hardy on Smackdown and yes, give him the world title!

-Definitely agree about Santino Marella. I just saw his promo on the net where he wanted to "open the can of ass of the whip!" LOL.
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Old 11-02-2007, 02:05 PM   #69
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Speaking of Santino's hilarity... anyone have the latest Stone Cold mockery video from RAW?
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Old 11-02-2007, 02:17 PM   #70
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The 14 year old part of me would like to see Jeff get a title win. Can't really see it happening though.
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:52 PM   #71
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I see money in his chasing the title. He deserves a month with the top belt.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:30 PM   #72
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Kennedy being more entertaining than most of the roster doesn't mean much.

There are like, ten entertaining people between the three brands.
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Since when is that all he does?

Anyway, on the topic at hand...

Kennedy's the goods.

Hardy should never ever get a title run ever. He makes RVD look reliable.

MVP is a moderately talented guy who's found a niche in smarkdom.

Santino's boring 98% of the time. We'd be better off with more Boogen screen time.
KK is right about Kennedy.

KK is a little inflexible, but closer to the truth on the matter of Jeff Hardy.

I'd somewhat agree with KK on MVP.

I disagree with KK on Santino Marella.

But he has it pretty damn right.
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:51 AM   #74
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Mr. Kennedy's not limited to saying his name twice. What happened was he said his name twice, it got over, so the WWE is marketing it. Are they overusing it? Perhaps, but anyone who saw his work in OVW or SmackDown! knows the guy can cut a promo. He's got great reactions, and is twice as gifted in the acting department as any main eventer the WWE currently has.

In the ring, the man is good. Say what you want about having a bad match with Shawn Michaels, but anyone who has a good match with Batista can be forgiven for it. Any man who has two good matches with Batista is officially a good wrestler, in my book.

As far as Santino Marella goes, the reason so many people love him is because he's actually entertaining. In a WWE where cock jokes are meant to be funny, Santino actually makes people smile. I remember in his debut, Vince almost cracked up when he was talking. I agree that Santino should get a big man to serve as his bodyguard. I like KingofOldSchool's idea of it being Charles Evans from OVW. Hell, Paul Burchill would even work (even though by WWE standards, he's not a giant). It appears Dave Taylor & Drew McIntyre are going to be the British tag team on SmackDown!, so having Marella use another European as his henchman would be a good idea.

Next week, Santino will probably be eating a Stone Cold Stunner, but I think if the WWE were smart, Stone Cold would be getting a can of the ass whip unleashed on him by Santino and a new associate. Stone Cold is the most over guy the WWE has access to, but Santino could legitimately be a star, and the WWE would be best served to cultivate that. Have Marella lead a team against Austin at Survivor Series.
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