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Old 11-20-2007, 03:29 PM   #41
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I have a theory. I think the crowd were killed by the two matches prior to his arrival....i mean what the fuck was that all about? They should have had the Hardy vs Umaga match last and had the crowd hot for him....instead they killed them off with half an hour of shit....ridiculous.
Totally agree. How shitty was the nding to the Santino/King match? Umaga/Hardy was pretty intense.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:30 PM   #42
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it was Chris Jericho. take away him having been gone for 2 years and I can go back 3 years ago and find a similar promo. I don't see how this one stood out so much.

Yes, Great promo. Best promo in a long while, but that's not saying much. I expected Chris to come out and nail all his lines and do the fast talking Jericho stuff he always does.


Greatest moment in Raw history? Yea, maybe if you've been watching since 2003
I think it was a smart move for Jericho not to give everything away the very first moment he re-debuts because then what do you have to look forward to in his next appearence?

I think the segment was perfect. The fans get what they want in that Chris Jericho has re-arrived back onto WWE territory. It gave Chris Jericho a purpose storyline-wise, (which is to save the WWE from Randy Orton and take the WWE title). And it left the fans buzzing and wanting to see more, which is significant for obvious reasons.
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Cena winning the title!

Cena in The Marine!

Cena winning the title!

Batista saying "YOU TALKING TO ME!?"

Batista wrestling 5 STAR MATCHES with Mark Henry!

Hulk Hogan making his LONG-AWAITED debut versus SHAWN MICHAELS! And BEATING HIM!
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:32 PM   #44
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Name a better moment in the past couple years.
U know there have been tons of great moments in the wwe recently that involved interesting young superstars as opposed to old has beens.

It depends on who u are a fan of and the reason u think this moment was so good is because u wish u lived back in 1999 and u see jericho better than he is because ur image of him is your memory of him and your memory of him is tied to the golden era of the wwe in the attitude time so everything from there seems great to u thats why u love jerichos return so much.

me? I know who he is because I dont get sentimental about the past era. I loved stone cold and attitude like everyone else did, but I moved on and accepted the new generation of wrestlers because I know that we cant have the same guys all the time, it gets boring.
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God, i truly feel for those who complain about last night, you missed out, big time. Go with the fucking moment ffs.
People are just so jaded that it seems even when things are better/something good happens...they still call it crap.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:34 PM   #46
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You know, some people just complain cause they dunno how to enjoy great moments in life...
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I think it was the best thing on WWE tv in a LONG time.
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I think it's the best moment in professional wrestling in a long long time. Might have to go as far back as Rock/Hogan or when ECW first showed up on Raw in 01.
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I think it's the best moment in professional wrestling in a long long time. Might have to go as far back as Rock/Hogan or when ECW first showed up on Raw in 01.
People who think like this are prolly the ones who are obsessed with the past and are forcing themselves to watch now because they cant get over that the guys they grew up loving got old and crappy and new people took over the business. Get used to it and step into the present time please. U may finf urself enjoying the product more without needing guys from the past appearing.
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It is, of course, also my favorite wrestler and a return I wasn't sure if would ever happen.

The way it was done, the anticipation, and the presetation of it made it all so surreal. It finally happened, and when it did I felt like I was going to wake up and realize it never happened.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:40 PM   #51
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U know there have been tons of great moments in the wwe recently that involved interesting young superstars as opposed to old has beens.

It depends on who u are a fan of and the reason u think this moment was so good is because u wish u lived back in 1999 and u see jericho better than he is because ur image of him is your memory of him and your memory of him is tied to the golden era of the wwe in the attitude time so everything from there seems great to u thats why u love jerichos return so much.

me? I know who he is because I dont get sentimental about the past era. I loved stone cold and attitude like everyone else did, but I moved on and accepted the new generation of wrestlers because I know that we cant have the same guys all the time, it gets boring.
First off, you never answered my question. Secondly, don't tell us why we like Chris Jericho. The arguement of "You like him because of things he did in the past" can be made for every single person on the roster because what else do we have to base our like/dislike other than things that they've done, stuff that they've said, or the past antics of their characters? Jericho has done nothing to lead anybody to believe as of yet that he isn't just as good as he was back when he was in the height of his popularity. Saying that we should dislike the man because he was popular some time ago is a pretty short sided arguement.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:41 PM   #52
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Clearly, he's a magician.


Best gimmick ever? I'd like to think so.
From the hand signals, to the gay shirt, to the whole "I will excite you!" thing...I was pretty much thinking Magician.

And while I admit, with Jericho being my favorite wrestler, even I found the thing to be a bit lack luster...but it still didn't stop me from marking out like a bitch.
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People who think like this are prolly the ones who are obsessed with the past and are forcing themselves to watch now because they cant get over that the guys they grew up loving got old and crappy and new people took over the business. Get used to it and step into the present time please. U may finf urself enjoying the product more without needing guys from the past appearing.
It's hard to enjoy the product when most of it is Crap. Last weeks Raw was the first one i've watched from start to finish in months. To be honest most of what I saw was crap. The reason so many people are excited about Jericho is because he can deliver in the ring and on the mic, which is more than I can say for most of the wwe's current roster.
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I think it's the best moment in professional wrestling in a long long time. Might have to go as far back as Rock/Hogan or when ECW first showed up on Raw in 01.
I think to this point, this was my biggest mark out moment since ECW on raw.
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It's hard to enjoy the product when most of it is Crap. Last weeks Raw was the first one i've watched from start to finish in months. To be honest most of what I saw was crap. The reason so many people are excited about Jericho is because he can deliver in the ring and on the mic, which is more than I can say for most of the wwe's current roster.
Which rosters are u watching?? New stars like John Cena and Batista deliver well both on the mic and in the ring. Then theres Lashley who might be a stinker on the mic but he wrestles really well since he is a college wrestler. This is just a few examples of guys from the new generation who definetely deliver in the ring and on the mic.

But let me guess, ur gonna say that Cena/Batista suck in the ring and ignore the dozens of classics they had with just about anyone over the past few years. I guess if u were too busy being upset that ur favorite guy from 1999 went to play music u probably missed all of this. Sorry, but it happened!
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:53 PM   #56
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People who think like this are prolly the ones who are obsessed with the past and are forcing themselves to watch now because they cant get over that the guys they grew up loving got old and crappy and new people took over the business. Get used to it and step into the present time please. U may finf urself enjoying the product more without needing guys from the past appearing.
I'm pretty fair about things. I want to see new, young stars and fresh programming. I want to see good programming. This is where the past comes in, the programming USED to be good (because it was young stars and fresh). Just because I want it restored to glory, doesn't mean I want the past. I just want it to be entertaini again.
I don't get excited when DX reforms, or Austin returns to referee a match, or especially when the Hogans Flairs and Pipers are around.

But one problem is, some of the only guys who know how to entertain have been doing it for a while. This is WWEs fault too based on how they let their talent progress. But you have the HBKs and HHHs who can still work matches better than the champions.

I like the Edges, the MVPs and even on some level the Kennedys. But I hate the Cenas and the Batistas.
How is that being hung up on the past? It's a matter of entertainment.

Jericho can still entertain. He's from the past, sure. So are Edge and Christian. Batista is older than him, and probably Kennedy too.
Just because he was around years ago doesn't mean he's not new and fresh. It doesn't mean he shouldn't be a focus. He never was properly used really. He was used excellently and had a great career. But he still has the potential to get that big push he never got.

So when it comes down to it, I watch wrestling still with an open mind. I like what is good, and I criticize what is garbage. I don't want 2008 to BE 1998. I want 2008 to BE AS GOOD AS 1998. There's a difference assclown.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:55 PM   #57
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From Jericho I really expect to laugh. he really didn't make me do that you can't honestly say that was some of his best work.
I agree it wasn't all it could be, but it did make me laugh.

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Yea, Savior. Though we tend to agree frequently, i'm going to have to disagree on this one. One of the best moments in RAW history.
Oh. My. Fucking. GOD.

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Despite being clearly the best segment last night, whether anyone likes it or not, facts are facts, and one Jericho segment at the end of the night did not SAVE.RAW. The rest was horrible, Jericho was great except his butch haircut and that stupid silver glittery vest. What is he a butch transsexual lesbian or something now?

Jericho didn't look bad. And he didn't have a transsexual lesbian thing going on, or Hanso would be on him. He was a real Etheridge fan.

But yeah, it was a lame Raw, this was a bright spot by comparrison.
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Which rosters are u watching?? New stars like John Cena and Batista deliver well both on the mic and in the ring. Then theres Lashley who might be a stinker on the mic but he wrestles really well since he is a college wrestler. This is just a few examples of guys from the new generation who definetely deliver in the ring and on the mic.

But let me guess, ur gonna say that Cena/Batista suck in the ring and ignore the dozens of classics they had with just about anyone over the past few years. I guess if u were too busy being upset that ur favorite guy from 1999 went to play music u probably missed all of this. Sorry, but it happened!
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Which rosters are u watching?? New stars like John Cena and Batista deliver well both on the mic and in the ring. Then theres Lashley who might be a stinker on the mic but he wrestles really well since he is a college wrestler. This is just a few examples of guys from the new generation who definetely deliver in the ring and on the mic.

But let me guess, ur gonna say that Cena/Batista suck in the ring and ignore the dozens of classics they had with just about anyone over the past few years. I guess if u were too busy being upset that ur favorite guy from 1999 went to play music u probably missed all of this. Sorry, but it happened!
You do realize that Jericho has been in the business since the early 90's, right? And that people don't always look back at only 1999, but also his WCW run, ECW, run and some even his Japanese, Canadian and Mexico runs?

You don't have to live in the past to compare and realize what good writing is and should be vs. what shit writing is. You seem to be brainwashed to think that just because they're pushed at the top of the card means they're the best of the best. It's unfortunately not the case a lot of the time.

The WWE has a lot of good wrestlers. The problem is that Vince is living in the past (something you tell us to stop doing). He's booking very close to the same way he did in the 80s. Big monsters/unstoppable forces who can be decent on the mic who rely on big power spots - or guys, like Jericho, who are at least decent all around but are stuck at the middle of the card. Some get through, but they almost always fall back and aren't the ones who the company is booked around. Usually they wind up as enhancement main eventers.

I've said in the past, Cena is acceptable. Batista, though. I can see why someone would like him - his size and he can move a bit better than a lot of big men. But his "classic" matches have all been shit, except when he was being carried by Taker (or, as you would say, he was carrying Taker). He can be quite sloppy as well. And he's, AT BEST, below average on the mic compared to past main eventers.
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I don't know what people would've wanted him to do. Anytime somebody big comes back it's a generic promo. I didn't like the clothesline revealing who it was. The crowd was gay. But come on, what do you expect him to do in a big return?
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I can name off a lot of comebacks that weren't just said wrestler giving a promo.

they could of done so much more with him, but they took the easy route. That's my whole argument.

There's no angle there. I don't understand what's so big that he is saving the WWE from? I think there is about 20 people that can be put in Jericho's spot and can save us from Orton. What did Orton do that needs saving? Just bothers me when the talent is there, but you do nothing with them. And I know I'm jumping to conclusions right now and thinking they will do nothing but it's fucking WWE.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:41 PM   #65
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:45 PM   #66
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I can name off a lot of comebacks that weren't just said wrestler giving a promo.

they could of done so much more with him, but they took the easy route. That's my whole argument.

There's no angle there. I don't understand what's so big that he is saving the WWE from? I think there is about 20 people that can be put in Jericho's spot and can save us from Orton. What did Orton do that needs saving? Just bothers me when the talent is there, but you do nothing with them. And I know I'm jumping to conclusions right now and thinking they will do nothing but it's fucking WWE.
Well, the promos actually started running before Cena was injured. I think right there would have been perfect and was obviously what they were building it for. Remember, Jericho lost the You're Fired match to Cena. There's your pre-built feud.

They could have constructed a storyline, sure, but it's clear this was meant to be Cena.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:57 PM   #68
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Well, the promos actually started running before Cena was injured. I think right there would have been perfect and was obviously what they were building it for. Remember, Jericho lost the You're Fired match to Cena. There's your pre-built feud.

They could have constructed a storyline, sure, but it's clear this was meant to be Cena.
Right and I really would of pushed for Cena to be on that show. Yea, he's injured, but he can walk and talk. How great would that segment have been if he was there? You can mix in Orton too somehow. It would of been tremendous. The two young stars right now and Chris Jericho.

They kept Austin on TV in '97, so I don't understand why not Cena.
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Jericho's "Save Us" doesn't need to have an actual meaning any more than "Y2J" Had to crash computers worldwide.
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As much as I am a Jericho mark i have to go with the minority, I didn't enjoy that promo at all last night. Everything up until Jericho started talking was excellent but the promo was stale and and the jokes on Orton were lame as fuck.

I did expect much as this return was so heavily hyped up but the promo ruined it.
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Come on, there was severe irony in Jericho talking about someone's hair style. It was totally hilarious.

...Oh, right, we're supposed to be laughing with him, not at him.

"Child Bearing hips" was unexpected, and made me laugh. It's not like his promo was total shit. It's just not the over the top "best promo ever!" Sort of thing.
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Which rosters are u watching?? New stars like John Cena and Batista deliver well both on the mic and in the ring. Then theres Lashley who might be a stinker on the mic but he wrestles really well since he is a college wrestler. This is just a few examples of guys from the new generation who definetely deliver in the ring and on the mic.

But let me guess, ur gonna say that Cena/Batista suck in the ring and ignore the dozens of classics they had with just about anyone over the past few years. I guess if u were too busy being upset that ur favorite guy from 1999 went to play music u probably missed all of this. Sorry, but it happened!
Dozens of classics?

Cena: HBK + Edge
Batista: Undertaker
Lashley: ummm...umm...shit

That sums up about all the classics these people have had in the last 2 years. And what do they all have in common? They were carried by an "old" guy that still performs in the ring better than they could ever hope to. I'd love to respect the newer wrestlers and call any of them "talented" but until I see the company's "headliner" outperform a 45 year old in the ring, i'll save my breath.
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:53 PM   #73
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I dont recall Batista and Undertaker ever having a classic. The wrestlemania match was an okay match, and I think part of why it's considered "good" is because it wasn't a trainwreck and Undertaker didn't lose the streak.
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Come on, there was severe irony in Jericho talking about someone's hair style. It was totally hilarious.

...Oh, right, we're supposed to be laughing with him, not at him.

"Child Bearing hips" was unexpected, and made me laugh. It's not like his promo was total shit. It's just not the over the top "best promo ever!" Sort of thing.
The only part of the promo I liked was Y2J taking the piss out of Orton's monotone voice, other than that it was just your typical generic promo you hear all the time. Santino Marella when he is not jobbing to the King delivers more entertaining promos and is the best man on the stick in the WWE.

Out of the two returns for Y2J and Edge, you expected Jericho's to make the bigger impact. But in reality, Edge's return was better booked and he made a much bigger impact by pasting Taker with a chair.
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:03 PM   #75
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I think they were just catching the glitter/reflection from his homo-vest.

That or it was an illusion. He is a magician you know.
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Tbh, it was better than anything TNA could have done. So that should make everyone love it for that reason alone.

I thought it was just awesome to see a new face I actually give a fuck about return.
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HHH: "Hey Chris, that was awesome TV, man, real good stuff."

JERICHO: "Thanks, Hunter."

(Jericho leaves)

HHH: "You're gonna bury that fucker, Randy."

ORTON: "Mm, yeah. What'd he mean by child-bearing hips? Was that in the script?"
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Tbh, it was better than anything TNA could have done. So that should make everyone love it for that reason alone.

I thought it was just awesome to see a new face I actually give a fuck about return.

We should like it because its better than the competition? That's a good reason to like it?

Have you not seen the Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich episode of South Park?
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