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Old 11-20-2007, 07:00 PM   #81
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BTW, anybody else notice how white his teeth were?
lol, no joke here, i did adjust the brightness on my TV thinking it was too high and had to re-turn it back up when I watched Top Gear straight after it

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We should like it because its better than the competition? That's a good reason to like it?
Well, erm, I meant it in jest, but tbh if you like wrestling, then I guess that's a dumb thing to say back... cos otherwise, what the fuck else are you going to like? It's like saying "I watch EWF cos it's shit and more of a joke than any other wrestling promotion".... Unless u like watching things that are not as good as something just cos u want to be one of the "I like it cos not many others like it and if more people like it, I'm gonna find something more shit that only a few people like cos it's cool then" crowd.
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:05 PM   #82
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:12 PM   #83
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Whatever savior, your thread is wack. And you'reclearly in the minority here.
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name a bigger markout moment? RVD winning the title.
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:32 PM   #84
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I don't know what people would've wanted him to do. Anytime somebody big comes back it's a generic promo.
matt hardy had a good return IMO.
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:34 PM   #85
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:56 PM   #86
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matt hardy had a good return IMO.
People bitched about that when that happened too.
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:59 PM   #87
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OH COME ON, seriously, how was that not enjoyable. The crowd was hot for it, the runner running (well walking if it took him that long) all that way just to get clotheslined was quite funny, his return promo was funny, Orton really is that ugly and he does have an annoying, robotic characterless voice. And whilst he has not saved raw, he's only been in WWE 5 minutes, the saving will begin next week, when Jericho takes the WWE title from Randy "cockface" Orton.

Seriously, it was a good return, and he seemed as happy to see the fans as they were him.

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Old 11-20-2007, 08:39 PM   #89
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:42 PM   #90
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Well it was in Florida, it's quite warm there isn't it?
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But yeah seriously they should have booked that shit to happen in Chicago.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:23 PM   #93
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I didn't read any of the posts in here because honestly I could care less what you all think, but apparently watching it on TV didn't give his return justice. From what I've heard, the people at the show went absolutely ballistic when he came out, which you couldn't really tell on TV for some reason.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:07 PM   #96
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They seemed kinda dead on tv.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:13 PM   #97
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I didn't read any of the posts in here because honestly I could care less what you all think, but apparently watching it on TV didn't give his return justice. From what I've heard, the people at the show went absolutely ballistic when he came out, which you couldn't really tell on TV for some reason.
That makes perfect sense. They probably dubbed in some video of a crowd watching Edge.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:55 AM   #98
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:15 AM   #99
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^^ Mic'ing off the crowd screwing them over? *shrug*

There were parts where the crowd seemed just huge. And then it died down. So that could give evidence to mic tampering.

Either way, Jericho's return was neither the greatest thing ever NOR boring. It was a nice, solid, entertaining comeback, and I enjoyed it.

And besides, the best returns in the world are nothing if the ensuing storyline craps the person out. Tazz had one of the coolest debuts ever, and three months later, he was buried.
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You guys, I realized something today, I could have verified that Jericho would return last night, this past saturday, I work backshift, in a load of stuff from a truck were magazines, one of which contained the WWE Magazine. I never thought to go look at it till last night, and voila, oh the cover, was Jericho, pluggling in the cords for the lights, and save_us.222 in the elecricity between the connectors, I could have spoiled it for you all.

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Old 11-21-2007, 09:20 AM   #102
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Which rosters are u watching?? New stars like John Cena and Batista deliver well both on the mic and in the ring. Then theres Lashley who might be a stinker on the mic but he wrestles really well since he is a college wrestler. This is just a few examples of guys from the new generation who definetely deliver in the ring and on the mic.

But let me guess, ur gonna say that Cena/Batista suck in the ring and ignore the dozens of classics they had with just about anyone over the past few years. I guess if u were too busy being upset that ur favorite guy from 1999 went to play music u probably missed all of this. Sorry, but it happened!
What fucking classics are you talking about. The only good matches Cena had were with HBK and really lets be honest, Micheals busted his ass off to make those matches enjoyable. Seriously if you're gonna bring up this "new generation" of talent, try guys like MVP, CM Punk, and Elijah Burke. Those three have so much potential and can deliver.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:42 AM   #103
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And besides, the best returns in the world are nothing if the ensuing storyline craps the person out. Tazz had one of the coolest debuts ever, and three months later, he was buried.
Moot point, since Jericho'll be jobbing in 6 weeks, grand return or not.

However, you don't create hype like that, and then give less than 110%

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You guys, I realized something today, I could have verified that Jericho would return last night, this past saturday, I work backshift, in a load of stuff from a truck were magazines, one of which contained the WWE Magazine. I never thought to go look at it till last night, and voila, oh the cover, was Jericho, pluggling in the cords for the lights, and save_us.222 in the elecricity between the connectors, I could have spoiled it for you all.

FUCK
You mean the one that's been up all over the web for over a week now?
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You actually managed to say something dumber than br0ken or even Terry Boulder.

Please don't tell me to shut up until you've rectified this.

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Old 11-23-2007, 10:29 AM   #106
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I'll have to agree with SAVIOR on this one. IMO - Jericho's return left a lot to be desired. YES - It WAS cool to see Jericho come back, but I think the whole thing could have been done better. Here are my gripes:

1) No new entrance music: I think for Jericho's character, it would have been MUCH cooler if he came back with new entrance music. Think back to when Austin came back to the WWE in late 2000 (with his 'Disturbed' theme)....or when The Rock came back in 2003 (his heelish Hollywood music).

2) No beat down on Orton. If the WWE were DEAD serious in having Jericho look like a dominant main-eventer, they would have had him come down to the ring and beat the snot out of Orton. If the WWE intends to ride the momentum of Jericho's return, they NEED to make him look dominating. Granted - Jericho's not exactly a "big man", but still. If the WWE can do it with HBK, they can do it with Jericho.

3) Promo was unoriginal. I agree with Savior. Commenting on Orton's hips? C'mon. Compare Jericho's 2007 promo to his 1999 promo. When Jericho entered the scene in 99', THAT promo was freakin awesome.....and original.


VERDICT: I hate to be a negative bitch, but I was NOT highly impressed with Jericho's return. Compared to his entrance in 99', I found this to be lackluster. I have a bad feeling that Jericho will ultimately get buried once again........just as he was a few years ago.

Only this time - instead of being used to put over up-coming talent (i.e. Benjamin), Jericho will become a "main-event jobber" (a la Shawn Michaels).
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2) No beat down on Orton. If the WWE were DEAD serious in having Jericho look like a dominant main-eventer, they would have had him come down to the ring and beat the snot out of Orton. If the WWE intends to ride the momentum of Jericho's return, they NEED to make him look dominating. Granted - Jericho's not exactly a "big man", but still. If the WWE can do it with HBK, they can do it with Jericho.
I disagree. I think it was very smart of them to leave the cliff hanger for next week's ratings spill over. If they had him beat down Orton (for no real reason, no less) it would have taken a lot away from next week in that you've already seen him in the ring in one form or another. This way, you (should) get the in-ring action/beat down this week. They can easily get the same effect this week, and have the advantage of having two weeks with something different.
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Watching the video again, I figured out something that really took away from it for me. The announcing.

The announcers did a horrible job during this segment, barely even acting surprised. JR: "There he is ladies and gentlemen, Chris Jericho." Or after the clothesline "JR that can only be one man!" They both made it sound perfectly clear that they were well aware that it was coming, which while they were, was a complete break of "kayfabe of announcers" (if such a thing exists). I think people overlook sometimes how good acting on the part of the announcers can add to a moment. Neither JR or King acted like it was a big deal, or that they were surprised in any form. Honestly, I felt like they played a big part in toning the entire thing down.
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Old 11-23-2007, 11:55 AM   #109
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Watching the video again, I figured out something that really took away from it for me. The announcing.

The announcers did a horrible job during this segment, barely even acting surprised. JR: "There he is ladies and gentlemen, Chris Jericho." Or after the clothesline "JR that can only be one man!" They both made it sound perfectly clear that they were well aware that it was coming, which while they were, was a complete break of "kayfabe of announcers" (if such a thing exists). I think people overlook sometimes how good acting on the part of the announcers can add to a moment. Neither JR or King acted like it was a big deal, or that they were surprised in any form. Honestly, I felt like they played a big part in toning the entire thing down.
"It can only be one man" makes sense, though.

The guy went right into Jericho's entrance pose.
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"It can only be one man" makes sense, though.

The guy went right into Jericho's entrance pose.
Regardless of that, compared to how we've seen JR and King on numerous occasions, it completely lacked their typical enthusiasm about something big happening. I've seen them get more excited about John Cena's 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000th success overcoming the odds than they did about Jericho's return. Horrible job on their part.
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Regardless of that, compared to how we've seen JR and King on numerous occasions, it completely lacked their typical enthusiasm about something big happening. I've seen them get more excited about John Cena's 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000th success overcoming the odds than they did about Jericho's return. Horrible job on their part.
Maybe it's sour grapes, since everyone was already cheering Y2J. That'd be hilarious if they really were underselling Jericho because people really were on to them.
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Regardless of that, compared to how we've seen JR and King on numerous occasions, it completely lacked their typical enthusiasm about something big happening. I've seen them get more excited about John Cena's 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000th success overcoming the odds than they did about Jericho's return. Horrible job on their part.
Dude they never broke kayfabe. If you had been paying more attention, and also, if you had seen what KK just posted you'd realize that they didn’t act like they knew until they saw him doing the pose with his arms stretched out...
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Regardless of that, compared to how we've seen JR and King on numerous occasions, it completely lacked their typical enthusiasm about something big happening. I've seen them get more excited about John Cena's 100000000000000000000000000000000000000024th success overcoming the odds than they did about Jericho's return. Horrible job on their part.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:54 PM   #114
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Orton did a worse job than the announcers. He didn't sell that it was a huge deal for Jericho to be back, he just did a typical Orton promo.
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Really, they did undersell it, but not because they weren't surprised enough.

They should have been more excited, even if the crowd wasn't. But surprised?

Fuck that. The "This could only be" bit would have been perfect, had they only sounded like they gave a shit.
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Dude they never broke kayfabe. If you had been paying more attention, and also, if you had seen what KK just posted you'd realize that they didn’t act like they knew until they saw him doing the pose with his arms stretched out...
Oh please. If YOU had been paying more attention you'd notice that I quoted KK's post in my post, so to claim that I didn't see it is just completely brainless.

And give me a damn break. JR said in a COMPLETELY NORMAL VOICE "There he is ladies and gentlemen, Chris Jericho." What ever happened to "BAH GAWD it's Chris Jericho!!! Folks he's been gone for 2 years and now he's here on Monday Night RAW!!!!!," how he usually does it whenever someone comes back from a long break. Like KK said, they had the lines right, but completely lacked the enthusiasm of giving a shit in any form. Which, especially for the monday night announce team, seems a bit odd. As Santino would say "JR did not reach the point of orgasm."
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Orton did a worse job than the announcers. He didn't sell that it was a huge deal for Jericho to be back, he just did a typical Orton promo.
At least he acknowledged who he was and when we last saw him, instead of no-selling his existence. I meant, Orton is bland, but it's not like he did a bad job. His job was to stand out there holding the title and get his moment stolen. His only line was just a lame comeback, but it was a setup to get burnt back.

It could have been way worse. I'm not neccesarily arguing that this return was better than his debut in 1999, but if that happened today you'd all be bitching about how whack it was that The Rock no sold his existence and buried him on the microphone, stealing the moment in kayfabe.
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JR: "Well there he is folks, Chris Jericho!"

The King: "Who is that? You know who that is?"

JR: "Chris Jericho, King. Undisputed Champion. Main evented WrestleMania 19?"

The King: "He looks like a chippendales dancer! Ha Ha!"

JR: "King, this moment is surreal."

The King: "I can't look directly at this Terror-Co guy; his jacket's too shiny!"

JR: (loading shotgun) "Look over there then, Jerry."

The King: "At Randy? Over at Randy, JR? I think Randy's going to say something-

BANG.
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Seriously though, I'd love to see the modern reaction on here if Jerichos original debut took place. "They made him look bad" "Rock buried his career" "He didnt get the last word" "Rock buried his promo"

Just like when CM Punk jobbed a fucking match a year ago
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