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Old 11-23-2007, 03:53 PM   #121
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He's probably gonna hold that ECW title until he gets drafted to Raw or Smackdown. Then we'll see what happens. I don't know if he can break the glass ceiling into the main event. Maybe he is midcard for life. But with his popularity and workrate, and the company's opinion of him, I don't see him getting buried.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:54 PM   #122
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But back to the topic, Jerichos debut was far from whack
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:55 PM   #123
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Just like when CM Punk jobbed a fucking match a year ago
LOL.

Yeah, but Punk is still being buried because he's not holding the WHT, WWET, ECWT, NJPWT and TNAWHATEVERTHEFUCKITIST at once and going over Godzilla with the Pepsi Plunge.
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If he ever hit the Pepsi Plunge on Triple H people would start bashing him for using Triple H's move.

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"I can't wait for Randy Orton to win the title and I want Cena gone"


 


lmao, 2 weeks later.


 


"Orton looks weak and didnt win it soon enough, HBk shouldn't be kicking him, when's Cena due back?"


 


 
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I'm fine with Orton as champ.
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"I can't wait for Randy Orton to win the title and I want Cena gone"



lmao, 2 weeks later.



"Orton looks weak and didnt win it soon enough, HBk shouldn't be kicking him, when's Cena due back?"
Because most smarks have the attention span of five year olds.
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Though to be honest, it also means the same guys who were primed for Jericho's return will be bashing it in two weeks anyway.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:57 PM   #130
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I missed RAW, but I saw the video someone was kind enough to post. Fucking awesome shit. Jericho knocking down the marathon runner was great. I didn't expect it, and it was like an Eric Bischoff walking past Booker T moment. More of a "WTF?" prelude to something greater. Jerry Lawler did his best to ruin it, "That could only be one man!" Thanks, Jerry. I thought the whole purpose of that segment was to tease everyone? Usually the WWE act like idiots when the result is obvious. The one time they have a bit of mystery (because let's face it, Jericho doesn't look too much like Jericho anymore), they blow it so quickly.

Jim Ross was also off, too. I hate it when he points out the ovations a guy gets. Look, if the crowd is happy to see someone, we can tell. Usually the reaction is underwhelming, and you saying it's great does not help as much as you think. Let the crowd reaction speak for itself. Focus instead on the moment, rather than the factors surrounding it.

I don't get the complaints about Jericho's image. I think he looks good with the short hair, personally. As far as the jacket goes, I'm fairly certain Jericho has been busting out gay vests since the early days of his career. I'd rather see the old Jericho (or at least shades of him) than a new "Marine" Chris Jericho.

The promo was great. I don't know how it could have been too much better. It wasn't the funniest or the greatest of all-time, but it was a Chris Jericho level promo. He was a little rusty, but who cares? His delivery was better than pretty much anyone else on the roster. It was fun, it was filled with Jericho goodness, and the Sexy Beast is back, baby. The only thing that could have maybe made it a little better, is if he came up with a name for Randy Orton. I hope that's next week, though. You can't blow everything right away.

I'm not sure whether Chris Jericho should win the WWE Championship at Armageddon, or not. On one hand, fuck yes, it's Jericho, and he's just the best, freshest and most exciting guy the WWE has now. Of course he should be one of their World Champions. On the other hand, Jericho getting screwed somehow (some kind of DQ finish), or maybe just playing up ring rust/an underestimation of Orton by Jericho (it's risky, but I think good writing, which the WWE has actually been getting better with recently, if you ask me...just within the last week, so the trend probably won't continue), and you could have Jericho enter the Royal Rumble, win it, and go on to headline WrestleMania, and win the WWE Championship there.

I'm sticking with my opinion that the main event of WrestleMania 24 should be Shawn Michaels defending the WWE Championship against Chris Jericho.
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Old 11-23-2007, 10:06 PM   #131
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"I can't wait for Randy Orton to win the title and I want Cena gone"


 


lmao, 2 weeks later.


 


"Orton looks weak and didnt win it soon enough, HBk shouldn't be kicking him, when's Cena due back?"


 


 
I've never seen anyone calling for Cena back. Maybe that's just me. I do try to avoid Cena threads. I never wanted to see Randy Orton win the WWE Championship. In fact, I think Chris Jericho, Val Venis, Matt Hardy, Kane and Jeff Hardy were all higher on my list. In fact, Funaki would have been higher.

A lot of you actually miss the smark view quite dramatically, and it makes you look like retards (I love you, Jeritron, don't worry, I'm not speaking about you here). People don't want to see CM Punk as the WWE or World Heavyweight Champion right now. People were complaining about the company misusing him when he lost his undefeated streak to Hardcore fucking Holly. He was also first out of the Extreme Elimination Chamber. The order of elimination really should have been: Hardcore Holly, Big Show (he was on his way out), Test, CM Punk, with Bobby Lashley turning heel and becoming Heyman's new chosen Champion against Rob Van Dam.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:25 AM   #132
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The only thing that could have maybe made it a little better, is if he came up with a name for Randy Orton.
Randy Snoreton?
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:00 AM   #133
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Seriously though, I'd love to see the modern reaction on here if Jerichos original debut took place. "They made him look bad" "Rock buried his career" "He didnt get the last word" "Rock buried his promo"

Just like when CM Punk jobbed a fucking match a year ago
Apples and oranges. In 99', Jericho came in as a HEEL. The Rock SHOULD have gotten in the last word, and he did. As a face in 07' however, I still think that Jericho should have done something physically to Orton.

On a semi-related note, I think a lot of people's standards on here have dropped in terms of what they expect from an entertainment value.

Was Jericho's 07' return pretty cool? Yes. Was it great? IMO - no....it left a LOT of be desired.

Compare Jericho's 07' return to the following....and tell me if it's on the same level:

1) Triple H's return to RAW at MSG on January 7th, 2002.
2) Undertaker's return to the WWE on Judgment Day 2000.
3) The Rock's return to the WWE in early 2003
4) Chris Jericho's debut in the WWE in 1999.

For me personally? Jericho's 07' return just doesn't measure up to the aforementioned. From MY perspective, it just doesn't look like the WWE is dead serious in having Jericho be a dominant main-eventer. Hopefully, I am wrong.
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:54 AM   #134
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IT WAS WHACK

the first coming was like 10000000x better
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Exactly. Jericho's original debut ooozed of originality in my opinion.

This one? Not so much. Don't get me wrong - I am very very happy that Jericho is back (and for the most part, enjoyed the segment)....but I still think it paled vastly in comparsion to the examples that I cited.

I also think Jericho looked and sounded a little bit like a lesbian.
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Randy Snoreton?
Nice, nice.

I loved the return. It honestly did not leave anything to be desired with me. As far as the WWE goes, that's pretty impressive. Jericho attacking Orton Stone Cold-style just isn't Jericho. He's the type to be more flash than fry, and that's the way it should be.
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Was Jericho's 07' return pretty cool? Yes. Was it great? IMO - no....it left a LOT of be desired.
You do realize that the physical attack or whatever you feel was missing is possible, and most likely probable, for next week. Things being left to be desired is a huge part of wrestling. If there was nothign left to be done, there'd be no point to it.
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You do realize that the physical attack or whatever you feel was missing is possible, and most likely probable, for next week. Things being left to be desired is a huge part of wrestling. If there was nothign left to be done, there'd be no point to it.
Hey,

I understand your point and I should have responded to your earlier comment. Yes - things being left to be desired is a HUGE part of wrestling, but I think it was far more important to establish Jericho as a dominating presence....someone that was TRULY a dominant main-eventer.

Think about this: If that was Austin in his prime, would it have been acceptable for him to have NOT beat the snot out of Orton?

Also - I once again cite the example of Triple H's return in 2002. When he came back (first night), he had an alteraction with Kurt Angle....and got the better of him. Undertaker on Judgement Day 2000? Chokeslammed the holy hell out of the entire McMahon-Helmsley Faction.

Jericho beating on Orton would have CLEARLY made him look like a true main-eventer.........and yes, wrestling fans would still be horny to see Jericho wrestle the next week.
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...Because Lord knows the pigtails and shit were the epitome of rugged manliness.

At any rate, I liked it. I'm not going to bitch about how it could be better because everything in the entire fucking world could be better. One million dollars could still be two million dollars. I'm just satisfied that it didn't suck.
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"At any rate, I liked it. I'm not going to bitch about how it could be better because everything in the entire fucking world could be better. One million dollars could still be two million dollars. I'm just satisfied that it didn't suck.
To each his own.

p.s. The vest was what discerned him as a lesbian for me btw.
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On a semi-related note, I think a lot of people's standards on here have dropped in terms of what they expect from an entertainment value.
Natch.

The environment is much weaker, so the standards pretty much have to be lower.
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because everything in the entire fucking world could be better.
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Old 11-24-2007, 02:47 PM   #143
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He went from being 'bored' with save.us.x29 to 'the anticipation was perfect' within a week.
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:09 PM   #144
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Yea I was bored until that night when it was built until the main event of the show. It got me back engaged. I was dissapointed a few weeks ago when they didn't debut him on the night that felt perfectly built for it.
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Yea I was bored until that night when it was built until the main event of the show. It got me back engaged. I was dissapointed a few weeks ago when they didn't debut him on the night that felt perfectly built for it.
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:36 PM   #146
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Not really. I said it was all building towards that night and it didn't happen, and that turned me off to it for a bit. However, it was executed excellently on the night that it did.
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Not really. I said it was all building towards that night and it didn't happen, and that turned me off to it for a bit. However, it was executed excellently on the night that it did.
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