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Old 11-27-2007, 10:03 AM   #441
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Yankees and Twins are really getting serious about Santana now. It's actually a news bit now.
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Old 11-27-2007, 11:52 AM   #443
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Yankees and Twins are really getting serious about Santana now. It's actually a news bit now.
I think its only news because Hank decided to talk about it. He seems to talk about whats going on every day within the Yankees. Definitely has to be different for Cashman, who usually doesn't let anything out during free agency/trades.
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:33 PM   #444
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I have a feeling we've seen the last of Phil Hughes as a Yankee.
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:40 PM   #445
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Yeah, everything I've seen does have Hughes in a deal. Still don't like giving him up though. I'm kind of torn on getting Santana because of that.
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I really don't want to give up Hughes but if you really think about it, you're trading a guy who might be an ace for a guy who is arguably the best pitcher in baseball and is still 28 years old. We've been burned by pitching acquisitions in the past, but this is a special case. It gives us a big game pitcher, something we sincerely lack. If Pettitte returns, we'll be really, really tough to beat in the playoffs, especially a short series, which is where we've failed these past few years. I wouldn't want to face Santana, Pettitte and Wang in a short series.

If we get Santana and Pettitte returns, I can see the Yankees keeping Joba in the setup role for another year until Mussina peaces out. Santana/Wang/Pettitte/Kennedy/Mussina is pretty solid, and if we keep Joba in the pen in the 8th with Vizcaino in the 7th and Rivera in the 9th we'll be pretty fucking hard to beat.
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I dunno though. Just getting screwed by pretty much every big pitcher trade or signing the past couple years makes me worry. Yeah, we haven't gotten anybody like Santana in that time but still. Also, the 7 year age difference between Hughes and Santana is pretty huge. I dunno, the deal makes sense but I just don't know if I would do it. I would offer Kennedy, Tabata, Melky and Horne and walk away if something like that doesn't work. I could honestly see Santana not getting traded at all this offseason so there still is a chance he could get to free agency.
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I really want to keep Hughes. I think we could cut a deal without giving up Hughes , Cano or Joba. I would be willing to trade anybody else on the Yankees aside from those 3. Do you think Kennedy/Betences/Melky/Horne might be able to get it done?
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IMO, despite what the reports say, the Twins are gonna want 2 of Joba/Kennedy/Hughes UNLESS Cano is included.
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To add to that, I've heard a lot about the Twins trading Matt Garza to the Rays for Delmon Young. If they do that they will probably keep Santana and see where they stand in July.
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IMO, despite what the reports say, the Twins are gonna want 2 of Joba/Kennedy/Hughes UNLESS Cano is included.

Then we're better off without him. Joba Cano and Hughes are to risky to lose.
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I don't think their is any way that the Twins expect to get 2 of those guys though. They might want them but they really can't be expecting that.

What I've heard is one of the big three pitchers, Melky and probably one of the big outfield prospects
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Hughes/Melky/Jackson seems to be the popular rumor.
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No way! One of our best prospects and both are young Center Fielders? Santana should fuck off to another team if that's what they want. Hopefully the Yankees aren't dumb enough to pull the trigger on this.
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I'd rather they took Tabata than Jackson. Tabata is good and all but he's so young. We'll probably need an OF in a year or two with Abreu's extension expiring and Damon's contract up in another year. Also, Matsui should not be an outfielder.
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Okay quick question If Boston comes right out ands says "All right we'll give you Ellsberry/Buchholz/Lester" Would you guys panic and try to counter with a Hughes package trade?
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I will cry if Theo offers those 3 players for Santana. That is as damaging as Joba/Hughes/Cano. Good thing that's just an example.
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Yeah, Santana is not worth those 3 at all.
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Read something on ESPN saying the Twins aren't exactly thrilled with Melky Cabrera and that they would prefer Carlos Gomez out in center field (they feel they are relatively safe with pitching but need a good CF). That combined with the Mets' willingness to trade more top prospects might make the Mets the frontrunners to this point.

Holy shit. If the Mets could grab Santana and still keep Milledge it would be fucking amazing. I'd gladly part ways with Gomez and two of Pelfrey/Humber/Mulvey tbh
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I think they are saying that because they're going to try and get Cano, which is not going to happen.
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I dunno, I think the Twins know they aren't getting Cano or Joba from the Yanks nor will they get Wright or Reyes from the Mets.

I also wouldn't underestimate that the Twins might want to get Santana out of the AL.

Twins also are interested in Fernando Martinez. I think the kid will be great but he JUST turned 19 last month and is unlikely to reach the big leagues until 2009...I'd throw him in if needed.
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Mets get RHP Brian Stokes from the Rays for cash......7.07 ERA last year Meh, probably won't even make the team.

Anyway the Twins are reportedly on the verge of getting Delmon.....which leads me to believe that Santana is going nowhere until the deadline UNLESS you throw in a Cano or Reyes
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Every deal I've heard with the Sox for Santana involves Buchholz which I'm ok with.

The word is they want Ellsbury, I don't part with him.... he's on my can't touch list.

Buchholz, Lester, Crisp and some AAA prospect I'm ok with...

or maybe something with Youke... yeah, he was gold glove and put up decent numbers, but he doesn't make much and could switch back to 3B which the Twins need... and if it means getting the lefty ace in Santana I'd do it.
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Not really understanding the Twins dealing Garza. I can't see them getting rid of Garza and Santana. Anyway, if that deal goes through I'd guess Santana's price also went up trade-wise. I can definitely see them just hanging on to Santana until next season if this is the case.
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I guess that pretty much means Hughes is a definite in any discussions.

Also, the Rays would have a pretty decent and young front part of the rotation with Kazmir, Shields and Garza if this deal happens.
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Mets also discussing a deal with the O's to get Erik Bedard and Ramon Hernandez in case Santana talks don't work out.
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I guess that pretty much means Hughes is a definite in any discussions.

Also, the Rays would have a pretty decent and young front part of the rotation with Kazmir, Shields and Garza if this deal happens.
All they need is a closer, a setup man and the rest of a bullpen and they'll be set!
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Almost official now:

The Twins are close to landing Delmon Young from the Devil Rays in a six-player deal that would send Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett and Juan Rincon to Tampa Bay.

If that's true, then wow, great deal for the Rays. Rincon sucked last year but he's better than any other arm they've got out there by far. Bartlett isn't a bad IF and Garza gives them a strong front end.
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ESPN's Buster Olney reports that the Rays and free agent Troy Percival are working on a deal.

Well, that post I made about 15 minutes ago now looks kind of dumb. Percival will probably close, with Al Reyes in the 8th and Rincon working the 7th. Chad Orvella and Dan Wheeler will probably round out the pen with another arm or two, and suddenly the Rays look pretty good. Percival and Rincon could both turn out to be busts but I like this move a lot for the Rays.
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Just to add my 2 cents in, I don't see the Red Sox trading for Santana...They've already landed an ace pitcher for a star caliber young positional player (Hanley Rameriz) so I can't see them giving up Elllsbury. (Who would definitely need to be included)
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I dont think that the D rays should part with young fo so little. I mean, garza is ok, barlett is HORRIBLE. Young is a potential 100 rbi 30 hr playr with the best arm of anyright fielder.
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Young also has 0 plate discipline and the Rays have a plethora of young outfield bats. They need pitching. I think it was a great move for the Rays.
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Mets also discussing a deal with the O's to get Erik Bedard and Ramon Hernandez in case Santana talks don't work out.
Really? Damn that'd be good for the Mets
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Yeah, there's 3 guys...I really want the Mets to get one of them: Santana, Haren, or Bedard. I guess Blanton could be there too...but I'd prefer Haren.

Plus there's still the chance that they are gonna sign Carlos Silva. Something like Bedard-Pedro-Maine-Perez-Silva is a great improvement over last year.

Hell who knows, if the Twins hang onto Johan through 2008 the Mets could make a run at him for 2009 once guys like Pedro and Delgado are off the books.
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Delmon Young replaces Torii, they save money, they *should* be able to swing an extention for Santana. Unless Santana simply doesn't wish to play there anymore, I see them getting him re-signed. Even if it's a short 2 year 50 million deal to make a run at things with the like of Liriano coming back. If I were the Twins, I'd of course want to lock him up for longer/good, but maybe entice him with something like that. U-NO
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I don't think there's any way Santana accepts a 2-year deal though. I could see them holding on to Santana until the trade deadline though.
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A few Yankee rumors and my say on the Johan Santana deal.

The asking price of the Twins right now is "A major league star and three top prospects, including one pitcher."

Twins wanted Melky Cabrera, two prospects (one of them being Austin Jackson), and one of "The Big 3" pitchers.

Also going around was Robinson Cano's name. A japanese newspaper reported Hideki Matsui being mentioned.

Twins don't want Chien-Ming Wang.

Well I see it as this. Out of the big 3 pitchers, I would surrender Ian Kennedy. I see him as the weaker of the three. A coin flip would have to be made on Hideki Matsui. He does start out slow, but he's able to wake up and hit dingers every few days.

I don't know about you everyone else here. But I'd send them over two of either Farnsworth/DeSalvo/Igawa/Nieves. As I mentioned earlier on around the trade deadline, we were ready to push the button on Igawa to the Padres, but the Yankees are gonna give him another shot. See game 3 of the season against the Red Sox for DeSalvo.

Keep Wang around. He's as economic as they come. If he can get over his fear of starting on the road, tune up his sinker, and maybe learn another pitch, he may have a shot at getting Cy Young. Only thing that held him back was the ALDS disaster.

However, since the Twins seem to be this year's Marlins, other options if this fails could be asking about Carlos Silva, and Joe Nathan might be expendable if the Twins lose both their top arms.
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WFAN just reported the Mets are about to offer Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra and Kevin Mulvey for Dan Haren and Kiko Calero.

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I have no doubt Beane is gonna ask for more...but I'd love this deal. Guerra looks like he could be the man, only 18 and throwing 95 MPH...but that just spells "arm trouble"
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That would be a great deal for the Mets. Haren will fucking tear it up in the NL.
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A few Yankee rumors and my say on the Johan Santana deal.

The asking price of the Twins right now is "A major league star and three top prospects, including one pitcher."

Twins wanted Melky Cabrera, two prospects (one of them being Austin Jackson), and one of "The Big 3" pitchers.

Also going around was Robinson Cano's name. A japanese newspaper reported Hideki Matsui being mentioned.

Twins don't want Chien-Ming Wang.

Well I see it as this. Out of the big 3 pitchers, I would surrender Ian Kennedy. I see him as the weaker of the three. A coin flip would have to be made on Hideki Matsui. He does start out slow, but he's able to wake up and hit dingers every few days.

I don't know about you everyone else here. But I'd send them over two of either Farnsworth/DeSalvo/Igawa/Nieves. As I mentioned earlier on around the trade deadline, we were ready to push the button on Igawa to the Padres, but the Yankees are gonna give him another shot. See game 3 of the season against the Red Sox for DeSalvo.

Keep Wang around. He's as economic as they come. If he can get over his fear of starting on the road, tune up his sinker, and maybe learn another pitch, he may have a shot at getting Cy Young. Only thing that held him back was the ALDS disaster.

However, since the Twins seem to be this year's Marlins, other options if this fails could be asking about Carlos Silva, and Joe Nathan might be expendable if the Twins lose both their top arms.
You're living in a dream world dude. If you think the Twins are gonna take Matsui or we'll give him up you're crazy. You're even crazier if you think they'd want Farnsworth, DeSalvo, Igawa or Nieves. Farnsworth COULD be good, but he isn't. DeSalvo is not a highly rated prospect. Igawa is a bust who is a #5 starter AT BEST and Nieves is probably the worst hitting catcher in major league baseball. He was hitless spanning THREE SEASONS. This is a deal for the top pitcher in Major League Baseball. They're going to want some serious trade chips. I'm talking Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and Austin Jackson.

Wang will never win a Cy Young. He doesn't K enough. I like him but he has shown that he isn't really a big game pitcher. Perhaps it was a fluke this year but I don't think so. Also, he's too one dimensional. He needs to learn to blow people away every now and then. He needs another pitch. His sinker his great but when it's off, forget about it. He's done. He's a good pitcher but he's not a true ace.
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