Undisputed World Champion

[Stickman]

Here's an idea. What do you guys think of a Undisputed World Champion in the WWE?

Rename the Champions of Raw and Smackdown that brands' respective Champion but have one guy just a notch higher in the whole company. Kind of like an old time NWA world champ. He was never really territory specific as each territory had their own champ.

You could have the real WWE champ show up on both brands, feud with more than one person at a time. Maybe make the Brand champion the number 1 contender for the Top belt.

I dunno, I'm just tired of WWE Champion and World Heavyweight Champion. Why not have Raw Champion, Smackdown Champion, ECW Champion and have the one guy just a step above those championships. Treat those championships as an Elite category but then have a World Champ that the elite of the Elite get to.

Know what I'm sayin? Thoughts...

[El Fangel]

So your saying make one belt that goes to all shows?

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Isnt that the same as during the 1st split when each brand had a mid card title and there was one World Title? I just think there are too many levels of titles as it is, without there being another one on top. See where your coming from though, with territories etc

[Stickman]

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel So your saying make one belt that goes to all shows?

Pretty much. That way it's kind of a big deal when the champ arrives. Think of Ric Flair when he was the man.

[Stickman]

Originally Posted by Lord-Of-Darkness Isnt that the same as during the 1st split when each brand had a mid card title and there was one World Title? I just think there are too many levels of titles as it is, without there being another one on top. See where your coming from though, with territories etc

Kinda ya, but instead of mid card title, it is a heavyweight championship on each brand. It still is the Main Event and what not but then you got that one guy who's just the top dog. He doesn't even need to be on every PPV defending or anything. Maybe act like the guy has been defending the belt overseas or whatever so when he does show up he's got the aura about him.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Yeah, I liked the idea when the brand split 1st came about. Problem was that while there was a title feud on one brand, the other was lost. And I don't think the rosters are solid enough to do that now, probably even less so. And to have a world champ on each brand, plus the 'big' champ, just seems a bit much, when comparing a 'brand' of WWE to a territory back in the day.

[El Fangel]

I think they should just ge rid of the US title, unify with the IC
and the 3 world champs should unite and make the WWE Title (Brand new)

The mid-card and top titles should go to every show, and the same should be done with the Tag Titles.

A contest between the brands to which brand held what title the longest would make things interesting.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

But again you're faced with the same problem. While one brand has the world title, and is fighting amongst itself for it, what do the other brands fight for? Given its a fake sport, but they have to have some kind of 'goal' to achieve rather than just 'for the hell of it' all the time?

[Stickman]

Originally Posted by Lord-Of-Darkness But again you're faced with the same problem. While one brand has the world title, and is fighting amongst itself for it, what do the other brands fight for? Given its a fake sport, but they have to have some kind of 'goal' to achieve rather than just 'for the hell of it' all the time?

THat's why you still have them go for the Brand Championship.

[Theo Dious]

There are too many damn championships. I am thoroughly opposed to adding anything without a serious restructuring of the entire title scene.

[Funky Fly]

The problem with that is the travel schedule for the super champ. Gotta be on all 3 shows.

[Jordan]

I think there should be one Undisputed Champion that travels between Smackdown and Raw, an ECW Champion, an Undisputed Tag Team Champion that travels to all three brands, a US Champion, an Intercontinental Champion, a Cruiserweight title for Smackdown, and a Womens Title for Raw.

I think the US and Intercontinental Titles should be pushed a lot more, like the days of HBK, Diesel, going back to Savage and Steamboat.

Usually you would not have an Undisputed Tag Team and Undisputed World feuds on the same show. So usually Smackdown would have either a Undisputed Title, or Tag Team Title feud to go along with the US Title, and the Cruiserweight Title.

I think have two main event titles ruins the importance, and I don't like that Raw's title is seen as the number 1 title.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly The problem with that is the travel schedule for the super champ. Gotta be on all 3 shows.

To be fair, though, during the old days, a World Champion would travel to every show, and would be prominently featured on each. These days, a John Cena has it relatively easier than a Stone Cold Steve Austin would have.

Don't have a RAW, SmackDown! and ECW Championship, but rather just keep things as they are, and unify the WWE, World Heavyweight and ECW Championships into the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Introduce a WWE Television Championship for ECW, and keep the IC and US Titles for RAW and SmackDown!, respectively. That's a secondary belt for each brand, and a World Title for them to share. Have the World Tag Team and WWE Tag Team Titles unified into the WWE World Tag Team Championship, and have those guys appear on all three shows, too. The Women's Title and Cruiserweight Title can become interpromotional, too.

The IC, US and TV Titles would all be about "brand pride," and the belts would be used to identify a #2 Contender for each brand. The other titles are all their own divisions, and can be recognised as "world championships," in the sense that there is no purpose to keeping them exclusive.

[Jeritron]

I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about with the first statement of that post Noid

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Jeritron I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about with the first statement of that post Noid

During the Attitude era, guys would be on both RAW and SmackDown! every week. Just don't have the World Champion work house shows. Done.

[Fox]

By getting rid of the two tiers of singles titles on each show, you're getting rid of that neccesary stepping stone for midcarders and upper-mid carders to climb the ladder to the main event and the big one. There are too many main eventers to only have one World Title for all 3 brands; it would leave too many main eventers with nothing to feud over (WWE writers cannot come up with stories, so that's out).

They may as well just end this stupid brand split and unify the WWE and World Heavyweight Titles, then fire all the shitty wrestlers and utilize the good ones to their fullest extent.

But that will never happen.

[Xero]

Rename the WWE Championship the "RAW Championship" and move the WWE Championship up to the all-brands type of deal. That's the only way this idea could happen in the current landscape because of the brands not having another stepping stone, as Fox said.

[GD]

Respect your idea. We can have the undisputed champ only if all the 3 world heavyweight belts are unified. No need to create raw or smackdown champions, we already have the IC & the US titles with a lot of history behind them. A guy holding the IC or US title should challenge for the big one. The idea of having less number of titles in the wwe, increases the value and prestige of the belt.

[Morrisey]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 To be fair, though, during the old days, a World Champion would travel to every show, and would be prominently featured on each. These days, a John Cena has it relatively easier than a Stone Cold Steve Austin would have.

Each brand has separate house shows, so I think the schedule works out more or less the same depending on the champion. I'm pretty sure Cena appeared at pretty much every event for whichever show he was in. I don't know whether the same is true of Austin.

I'd say both Stone Cold Steve Austin and John Cena had easier schedules than pretty much all the big stars before the WWWF raided the major territories.

[Evil Vito]

I've thought about them having an Undisputed Champion above all the other titles, but I just don't see it working. Say Edge is the Undisputed Champ and he gets involved in a feud with Triple H...Edge would be on Raw all the time to continue the feud and it'd make Raw seem much more important. I mean, you could balance it out by having a stipulation that whoever the Undisputed Champ is feuding with can appear on all shows as well, but that would be retarded.

The way they have it as is is fine IMO. With Batista/Taker being in the main event slot 2 PPVs in a row now, I'd bet casual fans might regard that title as being equal with the WWE Title. The ECW Title is the one that's fucked because it opens up every PPV. I just want Smackdown and ECW to do a full-time merge, including the titles. Use ECW as Heat for both brands or something.

But yeah, I'd stay away from the Undisputed Title until the rosters merge back into one altogether. Then you can do the obvious (merge the World Titles, merge the Tag Titles, keep the IC and US with one of them acting like the European Title).

[Morrisey]

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 The ECW Title is the one that's fucked because it opens up every PPV.

I can't remember which book it was in, but someone said that generally, the opening match is the second best slot to have on a card.

[ddpBANG]

Originally Posted by Morrisey I can't remember which book it was in, but someone said that generally, the opening match is the second best slot to have on a card.

If the match is decent, it could really get the crowd into the event. If it's not, they just ruined their night. Unless it's a women's match, because it gives people more time to buy concessions.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Morrisey I can't remember which book it was in, but someone said that generally, the opening match is the second best slot to have on a card.

Yeah, I've never really been too critical of ECW Title matches opening shows. It'd be nice if Joey Styles or Tazz threw out something like "the competitors could not wait to get their hands on each other" or "we're opening and closing this PPV with World Title matches." But yeah, opening the show and putting on a decent enough match to set a good tone is a pretty important part of the show. You don't open with a snooze-fest (if you're smart).

[Morrisey]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Yeah, I've never really been too critical of ECW Title matches opening shows. It'd be nice if Joey Styles or Tazz threw out something like "the competitors could not wait to get their hands on each other" or "we're opening and closing this PPV with World Title matches." But yeah, opening the show and putting on a decent enough match to set a good tone is a pretty important part of the show. You don't open with a snooze-fest (if you're smart).

Exactly.

[Jeritron]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 During the Attitude era, guys would be on both RAW and SmackDown! every week. Just don't have the World Champion work house shows. Done.

First of all, they didn't operate on two different touring schedules. Raw and Smackdown would be worked by the same roster, but this would be in place of a Tuesday event. The Tuesday smackdown tapings were usually held the next night in the same arena as Raw was at, or at a nearby venue on the same touring route. For instance, they'd have Raw in Worcester MA and Smackdown in Boston MA. Or Raw and Smackdown both from MSG, or something to that effect.
It's basically the same for a wrestler on the Raw or Smackdown brand now as it was for a WWF wrestler then. Maybe harder.

The house shows aren't drawing enough to grant that luxury as perhaps may have been done in the past. In the past popularity and massive ticket sales made things different. In, say, 2000, you could get away with having your main eventers duck out on house shows here and there because the whole roster was such a damn drawing powerhouse. You had tag teams like the Hardys and E&C that could draw, and uppermidcard stars like Jericho, Rikishi, Angle and Kane that could main event if neccessary.

[FourFifty]

Originally Posted by Stickman Here's an idea. What do you guys think of a Undisputed World Champion in the WWE? Rena--

Stopped reading right there, saying no the the idea right now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Jeritron First of all, they didn't operate on two different touring schedules. Raw and Smackdown would be worked by the same roster, but this would be in place of a Tuesday event. The Tuesday smackdown tapings were usually held the next night in the same arena as Raw was at, or at a nearby venue on the same touring route. For instance, they'd have Raw in Worcester MA and Smackdown in Boston MA. Or Raw and Smackdown both from MSG, or something to that effect. It's basically the same for a wrestler on the Raw or Smackdown brand now as it was for a WWF wrestler then. Maybe harder. The house shows aren't drawing enough to grant that luxury as perhaps may have been done in the past. In the past popularity and massive ticket sales made things different. In, say, 2000, you could get away with having your main eventers duck out on house shows here and there because the whole roster was such a damn drawing powerhouse. You had tag teams like the Hardys and E&C that could draw, and uppermidcard stars like Jericho, Rikishi, Angle and Kane that could main event if neccessary.

That's true, but as I said, you can cut out some house show appearances out of the WWE World Heavyweight Champion's schedule. You'd have the RAW/SmackDown!/ECW Championships below the World Title, and it would force the WWE to focus on creating some credible upper mid-carders.

[Jeritron]

Adding another title is fucking retarded. Not to mention adding another title thats a "world title" and outranks 3 other "world titles" and makes the whole fuckin thing even more confusing to people.

There should be one world belt.

I'm in favor of and Undisputed champ if it means unifying the world and wwe belts to make the WWE world Champ and thats all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Jeritron Adding another title is fucking retarded. Not to mention adding another title thats a "world title" and outranks 3 other "world titles" and makes the whole fuckin thing even more confusing to people. There should be one world belt. I'm in favor of and Undisputed champ if it means unifying the world and wwe belts to make the WWE world Champ and thats all.

That's what I'm for. When I said RAW/SmackDown!/ECW Title, I meant the IC, US and TV Titles, but was too lazy to backspace and specify.

[Jeritron]

I wouldn't mind that at all actually. The problem is you'd either have to do it temporarily or have it be a segway to ending brand extension. Because you couldn't permentantly have champions working all 3 shows given the current scheduling and touring.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Jeritron I wouldn't mind that at all actually. The problem is you'd either have to do it temporarily or have it be a segway to ending brand extension. Because you couldn't permentantly have champions working all 3 shows given the current scheduling and touring.

Unless you cut out most house shows from their schedule.