Let's speculate who the MLB players will be that will be show on the Mitchell report - Page 3

**SammyG** · 12-13-2007, 02:45 PM

God damn, that report really has a shitload of names. Baseball is going downhill, yo.

Also yeah Stima, I was dying laughing. lol @ the idea of Borat there.

**SammyG** · 12-13-2007, 02:45 PM

is there just a simple list someone could post in here? That pdf is like 25434534 pages

**Dragon** · 12-13-2007, 02:47 PM

It has a shitload of names, but pretty much all have been linked to steroids before this whole report. At least from what I've seen, not many new names or whatever

**MVP** · 12-13-2007, 02:50 PM

lol Eric Gagne, should have taken then this season

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-13-2007, 02:52 PM

Its nuts how they have photocopy of checks/package slips at the end of the document

**Loose Cannon** · 12-13-2007, 02:57 PM

yea, I love that they included them. Kind of sucks about Andy. I want to read some of them when I get home later.

**Dragon** · 12-13-2007, 02:58 PM

I dunno. The only one that really irks me is Pettitte. There was a lot of Yankees players but none that really annoyed me like Pettittes name. Justice, Knoblauch, Villone, Stanton I could care less about.

Clemens career is now with Bonds' really. Ridiculous that the best hitter and best pitcher of that era are both involved with steroids.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-13-2007, 02:59 PM

All these guys deserve the same treatment as Barry Bonds IMO

**SammyG** · 12-13-2007, 02:59 PM

Wooooo, no Dodgers on the report.

**SammyG** · 12-13-2007, 03:00 PM

Current ones, at least.

**Splaya** · 12-13-2007, 03:00 PM

2000 World Series Champions: New York Yankees*

**Evil Vito** · 12-13-2007, 03:00 PM

Todd Hundley

Guess that 41 home run season was a sham

Todd Pratt

But yeah, nothing really exciting though.

**Evil Vito** · 12-13-2007, 03:05 PM

LOL Fernando Vina. Has to show his face on Baseball Tonight

**Dragon** · 12-13-2007, 03:08 PM

I guess Pettitte got involved when rehabbing his elbow. I dunno, it doesn't make it right or better in any way but it makes me feel a little better about the situation. Still no excuse or anything obviously and doesn't make it an okay thing to do but I guess I'd rather hear that then just taking it for the sake of taking it.

**ct2k** · 12-13-2007, 03:13 PM

VEL why would you consider Kevin Brown a yankee at all before say, a Ranger or a Dodger? Not to mention the Marlins or Padres, both of whom he WS'd it up with

Its like look at the list of players, find every guy who's played for the Sox or Yankee's and go OMFG LOOK

The bigger issue here, that half the damn MLB roster has juiced, and that the MLB has no credibility left at all seems to have slipped some people's minds.

**Dragon** · 12-13-2007, 03:24 PM

The thing with all the guys that played for New York is that is where Radomski or whatever had his business. And a big portion of the guys named in this report are from Radomski. So when the guy giving all the information is based in NY and operates out of NY you should kinda expect a lot of NY players to be on it.

**ct2k** · 12-13-2007, 03:29 PM

I guess so.

Anyway yeah, the MLB is a joke, I mean we all knew that a few years ago now but really this is just an official declaration of how pathetic it is.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 12-13-2007, 05:02 PM

There is no freaking way Albert Belle and Brady Anderson are not on that list. That is incredible.

**Loose Cannon** · 12-13-2007, 05:04 PM

it's only a couple suppliers named on there. I'm sure there's a boatload of other suppliers out there and you'll find hundreds of other names.

**McLegend** · 12-13-2007, 06:56 PM

I will one day read all 409 pages of the Mitchell report

**Loose Cannon** · 12-13-2007, 07:00 PM

that's great news

**McLegend** · 12-13-2007, 07:02 PM

I think so

**Stickman** · 12-13-2007, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

All these guys deserve the same treatment as Barry Bonds IMO

Only the Blacks will get that treatment

**DrA** · 12-13-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stickman

Only the Blacks will get that treatment

I know you were being facetious, but probably has a lot to do with it. Roger Clemens is just as big of an asshole as Barry Bonds is, and he's been accused of the same exact stuff as Bonds, but I doubt they are going to ride his ass to the extent that they have been riding Bonds for the last five years.

**VonErichLives** · 12-14-2007, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct2k

VEL why would you consider Kevin Brown a yankee at all before say, a Ranger or a Dodger? Not to mention the Marlins or Padres, both of whom he WS'd it up with

Its like look at the list of players, find every guy who's played for the Sox or Yankee's and go OMFG LOOK

The bigger issue here, that half the damn MLB roster has juiced, and that the MLB has no credibility left at all seems to have slipped some people's minds.

I admit I didn't read the Brown thing, but seeing all the other Yanks and Clemens dealer being there made me assume it happend when he was in NYY, that was wrong of me and when I'm at work tomorow I'll look up Browns details.

It's interesting to note how many players that were key parts of yankees championship teams may have been juicing at the same time.

I find it interesting Selig wants to take action on these players... I didn't think it was a rule until recently...

Also, if some can be showed they started taking after an injury and stopped once healed then that would be a medicle use and I'd be ok with it.

**Funky Fly** · 12-14-2007, 05:00 AM

Pretty big blow for baseball, huh?

I pretty much got turned off baseball after that strike in 94, so I'm not too knowledgeable about all of this, but wow. So many guys juicing, you'd think it was wrestling.

The way I see it, all those guys using when there was no rule against it should have asterisks next to any records they set. Just that, no real punishment.

Guys using after the rule came into effect should get mad fines and suspensions and asterisks and whatever else they do to cheaters.

**Evil Vito** · 12-14-2007, 09:10 AM

lol Canseco going on about how they need to do more investigating because A-Rod is guilty.

If Canseco wants A-Rod guilty he better just get evidence himself cause A-Rod is breaking the record in 4-5 years. And even then, its pretty obvious that after this report baseball is gonna want A-Rod to take the record away from Barroid and give a "clean" image to the game...especially since he's a Yank.

**FakeLaser** · 12-14-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VonErichLives

It's interesting to note how many players that were key parts of yankees championship teams may have been juicing at the same time.

Now, I'm a Yankee fan, and I'm not necessarily defending steroid use but the source material was straight out of NYC, so of course a lot of Yankees were named. I'm sure there were just as many players on other teams juicing.

**FakeLaser** · 12-14-2007, 09:13 AM

A-ROD IS CLEAN

**Loose Cannon** · 12-14-2007, 09:32 AM

couple of things:

I'm hearing both sides of opinions on this everywhere. I'm hearing some HOF voters will not vote for anyone who has been accused of taking steroids and some see it as an era we're in, so they assume most guys have used some type of drug and the issue becomes null an void.

Then I'm hearing there are a lot of players pissed off and figure these guys have taken money out of thier pockets because they have used. Other players don't really care. And those other players may take drugs themselves...who knows.

A couple of guys made the point that the drug issue will never end because every year a new drug will come out that baseball or whatever sport won't be able to detect and we start all over again.

For me personally, I dunno what they would do anymore. You're never going to stop guys from finding illegal ways to gain a competitive advantage. At this point I almost want to say legalize everything so thier won't be any secrets anymore. It's such a cloak and dagger kind of thing filled with "shhhh don't tell anybody about this" It's stupid.

Someone made a good point yesterday. I forget who it was there lots of guys made good points. And when I say "guys" I mean like the sports writers and such. He said some athletes use the stuff to just help them keep thier job and provide for thier family. It's either take the stuff and increase your skill, whether it be healing faster, more muscle, running faster, or don't take it and be gone.

There's so many sides of the argument and so many ways you could look at things. It's tough to really take one side here.

**YOUR Hero** · 12-14-2007, 10:15 AM

In the Olympics, if you are caught cheating the don't just put an asterisks by your name in the record books, they wipe the record books of your name entirely. Add that to the 2 year banning for a first offence and you can see that if you ever wanted to really clean up baseball, then you need to follow the route of the IOC.

RP · 12-14-2007, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FakeRazor

A-ROD IS CLEAN

seriously thank god. A-Rod is like the saving grace of this era. He'll smoke that home run record.

**Supreme Olajuwon** · 12-14-2007, 02:21 PM

Clemens' career makes so much sense now. Boston didn't want him because they thought his career was declining, so he goes to Toronto and becomes a great pitcher again. Well now we know why.

**FakeLaser** · 12-14-2007, 06:18 PM

Clemens shoulda juiced this year, maybe we would have had a chance.

RP · 12-14-2007, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme

Clemens' career makes so much sense now. Boston didn't want him because they thought his career was declining, so he goes to Toronto and becomes a great pitcher again. Well now we know why.

Yah probably makes sense as to why he wasnt returning to the Yankees until like 2 months into the season

**MVP** · 12-15-2007, 01:12 PM

I'd be really surprised if A-Rod actually juiced. Doesn't make any sense to me since his numbers have been consistent throughout his career, given a few seasons where he hit between 30-40 homeruns. I don't think the difference between his great seasons and those indicate that he's taken substances because it seems like he had off seasons. I would too if I got booed for hitting .280 and 35 HR.

12-13-2007, 02:45 PM	#81
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	God damn, that report really has a shitload of names. Baseball is going downhill, yo. Also yeah Stima, I was dying laughing. lol @ the idea of Borat there.

12-13-2007, 02:47 PM	#83
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	It has a shitload of names, but pretty much all have been linked to steroids before this whole report. At least from what I've seen, not many new names or whatever

12-13-2007, 02:50 PM	#84
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	lol Eric Gagne, should have taken then this season

12-13-2007, 02:52 PM	#85
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Its nuts how they have photocopy of checks/package slips at the end of the document

12-13-2007, 02:57 PM	#86
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	yea, I love that they included them. Kind of sucks about Andy. I want to read some of them when I get home later.

12-13-2007, 02:58 PM	#87
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	I dunno. The only one that really irks me is Pettitte. There was a lot of Yankees players but none that really annoyed me like Pettittes name. Justice, Knoblauch, Villone, Stanton I could care less about. Clemens career is now with Bonds' really. Ridiculous that the best hitter and best pitcher of that era are both involved with steroids.

12-13-2007, 02:59 PM	#88
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	All these guys deserve the same treatment as Barry Bonds IMO

12-13-2007, 03:00 PM	#90
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,768	Current ones, at least.

12-13-2007, 03:00 PM	#91
Splaya 1-0 TPWW Chess Master Posts: 17,212	2000 World Series Champions: New York Yankees*

12-13-2007, 03:00 PM	#92
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	Todd Hundley Guess that 41 home run season was a sham Todd Pratt But yeah, nothing really exciting though.

12-13-2007, 03:05 PM	#93
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	LOL Fernando Vina. Has to show his face on Baseball Tonight

12-13-2007, 03:08 PM	#94
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	I guess Pettitte got involved when rehabbing his elbow. I dunno, it doesn't make it right or better in any way but it makes me feel a little better about the situation. Still no excuse or anything obviously and doesn't make it an okay thing to do but I guess I'd rather hear that then just taking it for the sake of taking it.

12-13-2007, 03:13 PM	#95
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	VEL why would you consider Kevin Brown a yankee at all before say, a Ranger or a Dodger? Not to mention the Marlins or Padres, both of whom he WS'd it up with Its like look at the list of players, find every guy who's played for the Sox or Yankee's and go OMFG LOOK The bigger issue here, that half the damn MLB roster has juiced, and that the MLB has no credibility left at all seems to have slipped some people's minds.

12-13-2007, 03:24 PM	#96
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	The thing with all the guys that played for New York is that is where Radomski or whatever had his business. And a big portion of the guys named in this report are from Radomski. So when the guy giving all the information is based in NY and operates out of NY you should kinda expect a lot of NY players to be on it.

12-13-2007, 03:29 PM	#97
ct2k Triple A Posts: 48,551	I guess so. Anyway yeah, the MLB is a joke, I mean we all knew that a few years ago now but really this is just an official declaration of how pathetic it is.

12-13-2007, 05:02 PM	#98
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,766	There is no freaking way Albert Belle and Brady Anderson are not on that list. That is incredible.

12-13-2007, 05:04 PM	#99
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	it's only a couple suppliers named on there. I'm sure there's a boatload of other suppliers out there and you'll find hundreds of other names.

12-13-2007, 06:56 PM	#100
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,621	I will one day read all 409 pages of the Mitchell report

12-13-2007, 07:00 PM	#101
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	that's great news

12-13-2007, 07:02 PM	#102
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,621	I think so

12-14-2007, 05:00 AM	#106
Funky Fly The Satanic Mechanic Posts: 52,521	Pretty big blow for baseball, huh? I pretty much got turned off baseball after that strike in 94, so I'm not too knowledgeable about all of this, but wow. So many guys juicing, you'd think it was wrestling. The way I see it, all those guys using when there was no rule against it should have asterisks next to any records they set. Just that, no real punishment. Guys using after the rule came into effect should get mad fines and suspensions and asterisks and whatever else they do to cheaters.

12-14-2007, 09:10 AM	#107
Evil Vito President of Freedonia Posts: 58,383	lol Canseco going on about how they need to do more investigating because A-Rod is guilty. If Canseco wants A-Rod guilty he better just get evidence himself cause A-Rod is breaking the record in 4-5 years. And even then, its pretty obvious that after this report baseball is gonna want A-Rod to take the record away from Barroid and give a "clean" image to the game...especially since he's a Yank.

12-14-2007, 09:13 AM	#109
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	A-ROD IS CLEAN

12-14-2007, 09:32 AM	#110
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	couple of things: I'm hearing both sides of opinions on this everywhere. I'm hearing some HOF voters will not vote for anyone who has been accused of taking steroids and some see it as an era we're in, so they assume most guys have used some type of drug and the issue becomes null an void. Then I'm hearing there are a lot of players pissed off and figure these guys have taken money out of thier pockets because they have used. Other players don't really care. And those other players may take drugs themselves...who knows. A couple of guys made the point that the drug issue will never end because every year a new drug will come out that baseball or whatever sport won't be able to detect and we start all over again. For me personally, I dunno what they would do anymore. You're never going to stop guys from finding illegal ways to gain a competitive advantage. At this point I almost want to say legalize everything so thier won't be any secrets anymore. It's such a cloak and dagger kind of thing filled with "shhhh don't tell anybody about this" It's stupid. Someone made a good point yesterday. I forget who it was there lots of guys made good points. And when I say "guys" I mean like the sports writers and such. He said some athletes use the stuff to just help them keep thier job and provide for thier family. It's either take the stuff and increase your skill, whether it be healing faster, more muscle, running faster, or don't take it and be gone. There's so many sides of the argument and so many ways you could look at things. It's tough to really take one side here.

12-14-2007, 10:15 AM	#111
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	In the Olympics, if you are caught cheating the don't just put an asterisks by your name in the record books, they wipe the record books of your name entirely. Add that to the 2 year banning for a first offence and you can see that if you ever wanted to really clean up baseball, then you need to follow the route of the IOC.

12-14-2007, 02:21 PM	#113
Supreme Olajuwon You know that�s right Posts: 52,766	Clemens' career makes so much sense now. Boston didn't want him because they thought his career was declining, so he goes to Toronto and becomes a great pitcher again. Well now we know why.

12-14-2007, 06:18 PM	#114
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	Clemens shoulda juiced this year, maybe we would have had a chance.

12-15-2007, 01:12 PM	#116
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	I'd be really surprised if A-Rod actually juiced. Doesn't make any sense to me since his numbers have been consistent throughout his career, given a few seasons where he hit between 30-40 homeruns. I don't think the difference between his great seasons and those indicate that he's taken substances because it seems like he had off seasons. I would too if I got booed for hitting .280 and 35 HR.