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Old 12-19-2007, 05:49 PM   #1
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Is Jordan the biggest/greatest sports icon ever?
I think so....I'd put Tiger as a distant second.



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Old 12-19-2007, 06:35 PM   #2
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I dont see why. Others have won more championships, others have made greater impacts for their sport..and he didnt dominate the league like others did.
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:42 PM   #3
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Yes he did. He is the greatest sports icon ever.

Now I'm sure Zen and other candiens will say Wayne Greatezky was better at what he did then Jordan was, and to that I say... He very well might have been.
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:48 PM   #4
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The greatest sports icon ever is Muhammad Ali. Simple as that.
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Old 12-19-2007, 06:58 PM   #6
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I dont see why. Others have won more championships, others have made greater impacts for their sport..and he didnt dominate the league like others did.
He won a lot of championships, had a pretty big impact and the Bulls were pretty much the shit of the 90's. Not to mention he is one of professional sports biggest stars ever. Combine the production on the court and off the court and the answer the question is yes.
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The greatest sports icon ever is Muhammad Ali. Simple as that.
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Being a little biased I'd say Gretzky is higher than Jordan because Gretzky basically brought a sport to places that couldn't care less about it. Gretzky in LA brought in Sun Belt teams.

Tiger Woods is higher than Jordon as well because he's brought thousands of kids, and minorities into golf.

And number one on the list....Ali
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Jordan is, to me, the greatest sports icon ever. No question. I can see why some would disagree, but I just can't think of anybody who had a greater impact on me.
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Of my gerenation? Without a doubt.

Of all time? Ali is definitely top, and Pele would give Jordan a run for his money too.
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:33 PM   #11
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Without question.
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:34 PM   #12
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:35 PM   #13
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No, of all time it is Ali, this isn't even a debate.
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:37 PM   #14
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Yes, yes he is
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:22 PM   #15
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Pele or Ali are good answers, although Pele is in a much bigger sport.

But when it comes to domination of a sport, I cant think of another man other than Gretzky who just holds so many records, and actually has such a difference in points than the second ranked best in the sport.
Close to a 1000 point diff. He has more assists than the next guy has total points I do believe.

But I think Mario was more talented, and probably could have challenged the records.
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Old 12-19-2007, 09:52 PM   #16
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You're also a huge hockey fan.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:27 PM   #17
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True, but that doesnt take away from anything either.
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He certainly had the biggest marketing machine behind him.
Basketball, Hockey, Soccer etc aren't of importance in my country.

Personally, I'd say Pele would be up there, same with Maradona, Woods, Jonah Lomu, Donald Bradman, Richard Hadlee, and Ali.
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Jordan only ever dominated America.

Ali was the world's greatest.

I'll repeat again and again it's Ali everytime.
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I guess I can't really argue with that. Growing up in the Chicago area and being a huge basketball fan at that time makes me kind of biased.
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Jordan is to basketball what Gretsky is to sports.
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Old 12-20-2007, 03:33 AM   #22
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I don't follow boxing at all but there is no way I would say anyone but Ali is the greatest sports icon of all time. I mean maybe some gladiator from Roman times was pretty famous but Ali transcends every aspect of life.
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Only westerners would have heard of Jordan, whereas everybody has heard of Ali.
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If you think Gretzky was as big as Michael Jordan you're out of your fucking mind. Maybe he dominated hockey as much as MJ dominated basketball, but I don't see too many kids walking around in Air Gretzkys right now. I don't remember a movie called Space Power Play.
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Gretzky was massive for Ice Hockey and people outside of that world knew him but not to the extent they knew of Jordan, and certainly he had nowhere near the impact of Ali or Pele.

Jordan was/is huge there's no denying it, back in the day EVERYBODY was wearing a Bulls 23 jersey, he inspired a whole generation of kids everywhere to play basketball and follow the NBA, thats internationally not just in the US.

But Ali's pretty much the poster boy for an era, the era of civil rights, vietnam and so on, his influence went far beyond his amazing talents and accomplishments in the ring, people don't discuss Foreman, Marciano or even Joe Louis in the same way as they do Ali, he's so huge its not even worth comparing another sporting figure to him let alone a boxer.
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:13 PM   #29
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If you think Gretzky was as big as Michael Jordan you're out of your fucking mind. Maybe he dominated hockey as much as MJ dominated basketball, but I don't see too many kids walking around in Air Gretzkys right now. I don't remember a movie called Space Power Play.
Without Gretzky there is no such thing as the following:

Anehiem Ducks,
San Jose Sharks,
Dallas Stars
Nashville Preditors
Tampa Bay Lightning
Carolina Hurricains
Florida Panthers
Atlanta Thrashers
Columbus Bluejackets
Phoenix Coyotoes

Add on minor and junior hockey in California, Texas amongst other States.


So without Jordon there is no what?
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I think you're overestimating the popularity of hockey. It's always been way behind baseball, football and basketball in terms of popularity in the USA. Maybe it's the most popular sport in Canada, but the United States is 10 times more populous. Where was Gretzky's cross-over appeal? You're out of your mind if you think Wayne Gretzky is anywhere near as well known as Michael Jordan. There's just no fucking argument.

Would there have been NBA expansion (Hornets, Heat, Timberwolves, Magic, Raptors, Grizzlies) without Jordan's presence? Probably not. So there goes your argument. He made the NBA popular in not only the US but around the world, and was/is immediately recognizable around the world. He also is directly responsible for ratings increases as you can see a steep decline during each of his retirements and a sharp increase whenever he came back.
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Yeah, I think you guys are missing the point that 96.5% of Americans don't care about hockey at all.. Not to say 100% do like basketball, but Jordan is a much more household name..
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In the beginning...

Early in 1984, Nike was a struggling shoe company. The running shoe phenomenon that has fueled their sales in previous years was slowly dying and they needed a way to revitalize and reinvent themselves in order to appeal to another segment of the market. At the same time, rookie player Michael Jordan was already endorsing several products, but Nike hoped that his appeal would generate sales. Jordan, though, had other ideas. He had always preferred Adidas or the Converse shoes endorsed by North Carolina Coach, Dean Smith, and hoped to sign on with either company. Converse, with Larry Bird and Magic Johnson on board as spokesmen, were not interested in offering a better deal than Nike, and Adidas wasn't interested at all at the time; perhaps due to Kathe Dassler's death the same year. While Jordan, himself, did not initially see the significance of Nike's offer, his agent, David Falk, saw a golden opportunity in Nike's offer to create a new line of shoes called "Air Jordans." and urged him to give Nike a chance.

Really Not That Interested..

At that time, there was not a tremendous impact from a shoe endorsement, and few companies were willing to risk so much of their marketing budget to bet on one athlete to promote their products. An athlete as paid for wearing the products but little else resulted from an endorsement. It's possible that Jordan's reluctant attitude stemmed from this fact as much as his allegiance to Converse and Adidas products.
Nike saw something special in Michael Jordan, though. They saw a chance, an opportunity. He was a champion with personality, charisma, and heart, and they were willing to put the company on the line. They knew from the beginning that he would be a star and wanted to help him get there. Finally, after much persuasion from his manager and parents, the reluctant rookie agreed to fly to the Nike headquarters in Portland, Oregon to view a special video presentation and proposal though he later stated in retrospect that he went with no intention of signing with Nike.
The video presentation featured slow-motion clips of Jordan's college career and some of his high-flying Olympic moves with a background of then hit music "Jump" by the Pointer Sisters. Nike Head Designer, Peter Moore presented sketches of AJ1 shoes, jumpsuits, and sports apparel, all in black and red. Michael's remarks upon seeing the designs were less than enthusiastic. He is reported to have said,
"I can't wear that shoe, those are Devil colors"
Throughout the entire meeting Jordan was reported to seem disinterested and bored, but as he and Falk left the meeting, Jordan said to his agent, "Let's make the deal."

A Legacy (and a Controversy) is Born

With those four words, the Air Jordan legacy was born. Nike signed Jordan to a $2.5 million deal for 5 years, plus royalties and other fringe benefits. Peter Moore created the first AJ Logo with a basketball with wings lifting it. The introduction of the Air Jordan I turned the athletic shoe industry upside down. Before the AJ I, most basketball shoes were white, but the bold black and red styling of the Jordan I flouted this convention. The NBA banned the shoe from the league in response, but Jordan wore them anyway, racking up serious fines of up to $5000 a game. Nike, of course, was more than happy to pay these to keep the shoes on Jordan's feet and in the public eye. All this controversy and Jordan's spectacular numbers that year served to put the Air Jordan line on the road to becoming a household name.

Changes

After winning 1986-87 Slam Dunk competition at Seattle Coliseum, the Jordan logo changed to the familiar Jumpman logo of today, but when it came time to talk about the Air Jordan III, Michael was ready to bolt. Reaction to the Air Jordan II, due in part to the high retail price, hadn't been stellar and designers Peter Moore and Rob Strasser had left Nike to start their own company. They began to court Jordan, hoping to develop the business around him This was a turning point for the line; a make-it-or-break-it moment. It was at this time that Tinker Hatfield stepped in to help the struggling shoe line. Immediately, Hatfield did something completely new and unheard of. His first instinct was to sit down and talk with Michael one on one and ask for his input about the design. Hatfield has stated that this was a very tense time. No one had ever approached the business of designing a shoe like this and Jordan had never had anyone ask his opinion until that time. Ultimately, though, it was the good advice of Michael's father that saw it through. It's reported that he advised his son to stay with the people who had done a good job for him. Eventually the process of designing the shoes and matching apparel drew Jordan in and helped reinforce his commitment to Nike. At Jordan's request, the Air Jordan III was a three-quarter cut basketball shoe made of high quality, lighter than average materials. This non-standard approach to the process of designing basketball shoes led the Air Jordan III to rocket off the charts with its popularity, and Tinker went on to design all the Jordan models up to the Jordan XV. With the release of the Air Jordan XV and Jordan's second retirement, both Hatfield and Jordan stepped back from the Jordan line and other designers took the reigns to continue to the legacy.

Moving Out

Air Jordan Shoes were a part of the Nike, Inc. family until late in 1997 Nike unveiled a new marketing plan and Jordan became its own sub-brand of Nike. To mark this change, the new Jordan Brand released the Air Jordan XIII, Air Jordan Team, and Air Jordan Trainers. From this point on, Jordan Brand products no longer featured the Nike name or Nike Swoosh, and their only connection to Nike,Inc is a fine print address for Nike headquarters to be used for insurance purposes.

The Shoes Changed the World

Air Jordan shoes have consistently been among the best selling basketball shoes since their creation in 1985. The Jordan brand is a household name and people of all ages and social strata line up eagerly for the release of the latest model. Some of this success can be attributed to the fact that the shoes, from the Jordan III to the most recent model, have always started with their namesake, Michael Jordan. The designers take his ideas, hobbies, and life into account and incorporate these feelings into the shoes. A number of Jordans have been designed after Jordan's cars and some of the more recent models, like the Jordan XXI (Jordan 21) on the way, some wonder when the Air Jordan line will be retired while others speculate that, in honor of the man, the last Air Jordan will be the Jordan XXIII (Jordan 23). No matter what happens to the signature Air Jordan line, it's a good bet that the brand and its tradition of quality, high-fashion basketball and athletic shoes will continue long after Air Jordans have retired.
I don't think there are kids in Haiti wearing Gretzky jerseys..
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It's Ali.

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Ali is the obvious "all time icon". Tiger Woods is not even close to the top of this list though.
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Basically what I was getting at is hockey was completely unheard of in many states, the sun belt states, prior to Gretzky. Remember too, everybody can play basketball all you need is a ball. Hockey's a bit different. Oh, and I am in no way denying what Jordon has done.

I rank Tiger ahead of them both.
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Ranking Tiger ahead of Jordan is ridiculous.
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Jordan is way more recognizable and popular.
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Tiger is no where near Jordan. Come on.
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