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Old 01-13-2008, 03:04 AM   #1001
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“I’m a Minnesota Twin. That’s all I know. It’s up to them. Whatever they have to do is going to happen. It has nothing to do with me at all. I said it from the beginning during the season last year, whatever will be the best for this team and this organization, I’ll agree with that.”

-1/11, Johan Santana to the News-Press (So. Fla)

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That's usually what a player says when he knows he's gonna get traded really soon. I swear if the Mets don't come away with Johan it's gonna be hard to even look forward to the 2008 season...just way too big a tease.
Kobe said the exact same thing basically in August, he never got traded.
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:34 AM   #1002
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Glaus still has some major pop.

Rolen is shit.

Imagine if this trade happened 10 years ago Would have been a blockbuster.
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:03 PM   #1003
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News and rumors.

It's pretty much official that the Yankees have pulled out of the Santana trade talks yet again. Red Sox and Mets are the only ones in it.

In the Clemens/McNamee saga. Brian McNamee has additional information he'll offer to congress in exchange for immunity. On Clemens' end, he was gonna skip the trip to D.C. and give an under oath deposition, but instead he's gonna go to congress and plead his case after all.
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News and rumors.

It's pretty much official that the Yankees have pulled out of the Santana trade talks yet again. Red Sox and Mets are the only ones in it.

In the Clemens/McNamee saga. Brian McNamee has additional information he'll offer to congress in exchange for immunity. On Clemens' end, he was gonna skip the trip to D.C. and give an under oath deposition, but instead he's gonna go to congress and plead his case after all.
I just read that Hank issued yet another statement saying that the Yankees aren't out of it and that there is still some discussions with the Twins.

The whole Santana thing is getting tiresome pretty quickly. Especially with Hank commenting every step of the way about his thoughts and opinions on the trade.
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So it's finalized. Rolen to the Jays, Glaus to the Cards. I dunno, man...
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This Santana shit is really driving me up the wall...camps open up in like a month, just get the shit done.
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Scott Rolen to Twins for Santana?
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Some news about the tragic passing of Joe Kennedy. The tox report is still out, but the medical examiner found evidence of Heart Disease.

Congress has asked the Justice Dept. to look into Miguel Tejada to see if he lied to the House Committee during the Rafael Palmeiro steroids case.
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Mets pitchers and catchers reort in exactly one month

Hoping Santana will be among them...but I've been waiting for a deal so long I could very well see it not happening. Barring any new contracts being brought in I'm guessing this is the pitching staff for next year:

Pedro, Maine, Perez, El Duque, Pelfrey/Humber
Wagner, Heilman, Sosa, Schoeneweis (I wish not), Feliciano, Sanchez (assuming healthy), and then a competition of like 5 other relievers for the last spot. If Sanchez can come back as the 2006 Sanchez it would be a HUGE boost...but I don't see it. And I don't see Heilman going back to the rotation.

I dunno...I feel bad shortchanging that pitching staff...but you just know El Duque is gonna get hurt and Pedro probably will as well. And even if Pedro pitches awesomely and stays healthy all year he'll still only be replacing Glavine's spot, still need someone else. I guess you have to go with a Freddy Garcia or something.
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:39 PM   #1010
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For fuck's sake, get done with this shit already.
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Talk about your bad day.

After learning he's gonna be investigated for Perjury by Congress, Miguel Tejada's brother dies in a motorcycle accident in the Dominican Republic on the same day.
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He also realized he's going to spend the next few years of his career in third place behind the Cubs and Brewers.
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:35 PM   #1014
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:29 PM   #1015
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A few signings.

Cubs sign Jon Lieber to 1-year, 3.5 mil deal.

Tigers sign Nate Robertson to a 3-year, 21.25 mil. deal.
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This Johan shit is still driving me insane and probably will until the day he gets dealt. A few exec's have said that the Twins are thinking about just keeping him for '08 and making a run for it...which kinda baffles me since Santana has said he won't waive his no trade clause during the season and the Indians and Tigers are both miles ahead of the Twins.

A few other execs have said that any offer that involves Hughes (even a straight-up swap) is better than anything the Mets can offer, which is pretty asinine IMO.

Its been dragged out so long that I'm trying to get myself into the mindset that the Mets are gonna have to rely on Pedro being healthy to anchor the rotation in '08 and I hope I'll be surprised.

My hope is that once we get to be about a week or so away from pitchers and catchers reporting...Johan's gonna give the Twins a deadline and reinforce that he won't allow himself to be traded once the year starts, and the Twins will then realize they have no shot in '08 and send him to the Mets for Gomez, Guerra, Humber, and Mulvey (MORE than fair IMO)
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Start the season already. I'm ready for baseball.
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Old 01-17-2008, 11:40 AM   #1019
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Yeah I'm so pumped for baseball.

Anyway, a new day...a new Johan rumor. The Star-Tribune has said that the Twins are all but certain to trade Santana before Spring Training, and that Bill Smith is pretty much trying to prepare fans for a deal they are gonna hate. With Ellsbury and Hughes still not on the table, the Twins may be forced to accept an offer of Gomez, Guerra, Mulvey, and Humber.

If thats what gets it done I have to give props for not throwing Fernando Martinez out there right away. The fact is I think their current offer is the best one out there even without Martinez included. The fans might hate it because none of the 4 are ready to be big-league contributors, but they weren't winning anything this year as is. Including Fernando now would do nothing because Smith is still gonna wait on a Hughes or Ellsbury. As long as the Yanks and Sox stand pat, Johan will be a Met.

Unfortunately I'm fully expecting Hank to come out and say he's willing to include Hughes or something...just because thats how its been this offseason, for every positive report there is a negative one right back.
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Some news.

Jason Jennings signs a 1-year 4 mil. deal. With another $4 million in incentives.

Padres are looking for a corner outfielder. They prefer a trade.

The Devil Rays traded Jeff Ridgeway for Willy Aybar and Chase Fontaine.
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This Johan shit is still driving me insane and probably will until the day he gets dealt. A few exec's have said that the Twins are thinking about just keeping him for '08 and making a run for it...which kinda baffles me since Santana has said he won't waive his no trade clause during the season and the Indians and Tigers are both miles ahead of the Twins.

A few other execs have said that any offer that involves Hughes (even a straight-up swap) is better than anything the Mets can offer, which is pretty asinine IMO.

Its been dragged out so long that I'm trying to get myself into the mindset that the Mets are gonna have to rely on Pedro being healthy to anchor the rotation in '08 and I hope I'll be surprised.

My hope is that once we get to be about a week or so away from pitchers and catchers reporting...Johan's gonna give the Twins a deadline and reinforce that he won't allow himself to be traded once the year starts, and the Twins will then realize they have no shot in '08 and send him to the Mets for Gomez, Guerra, Humber, and Mulvey (MORE than fair IMO)
I dunno man. I think that Hughes, Melky, Marquez offer is better than or at least on par with that Mets offer without Martinez. Hughes is the best prospect in any rumors so far. Maybe I'm wrong but I've heard that Humber and Mulvey are projected to be 4-5 starters and middle of the rotation at best. And Guerra has a ton of upside but is a long ways away. I don't know a ton about those 3 guys but thats what I've heard. Ah, just saw you might be talking about the straight up swap of Hughes and Santana, my bad.

I am actually really intent on just going forward this season with what the Yankees have. It might be a little risky having 3 rookies pretty much in the rotation but I would trust three rookies more than Pavano, Karstens, Igawa, etc...all the crap we used at the beginning of the season last year. The Yankees were ridiculous the second half of the season last year and we have the same team coming back, except full years of Hughes, Joba and Kennedy. Really looking forward to this season just starting.

And if Santana reaches free agency I will be pretty damn ecstatic. The fact that the Yankees have 80 million coming off the books (Pettitte and Abreu are the only ones who'd possibly come back) after this upcoming season makes me even more excited about Santana possibly reaching free agency. I think theres a slim chance of that happening but one can hope. The ideal scenario would be the Twins keeping him and actually being in the race all of the season and then to have an epic Mets-like collapse at the end of the season. LOL, had to throw that in there.
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Just finished reading Game of Shadows, wow what a crazy ass book. I was kinda surprised most of the stuff had to do with the Olympics, while for the most part it was billed towards uncovering steriods in baseball, I can see why it was marketed that way since most people in America are probably more interesting baseball. There was still a lot of baseball stuff obviously. I was kinda against the whole government getting involded thing but after reading the book I've kinda changed my mind. While most of the guys in politics have the wrong intetnions it seems, there was a select few who where stressing the whole role model thing which makes sense since people are dumb and still consider pro-athletes role models.
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WOw, Devil Rays land Aybar, Nice Trade, he will fit in greatly.

The Devil Rays are putting togther a pretty impressive offseason. If they had any form of budget, they would be a sleeper.

If they could only find someone to take Baldelli from them, they could get something nice in return. He is injured too much, but someone wouldtake a chance on him.
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I'm kind of interested to see that as well. Matt Holiday had a career year, but he's been consistently good for the past few seasons, so I'm interested to see if he's going to perform again, especially given that he's a FA in 2009. I'm sure he will cause he's proven he's the real deal. Players like Jeff Francis and Garrett Atkins are also gonna need repeat performances of last season to keep the Rockies atop a very competitive NL West.

Yahoo Sports rated the rotations of Arizona, San Diego, and LA in the top 3 of the NL, so the Rockies will have to face difficult pitching all season again.
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WOw, Devil Rays land Aybar, Nice Trade, he will fit in greatly.

The Devil Rays are putting togther a pretty impressive offseason. If they had any form of budget, they would be a sleeper.

If they could only find someone to take Baldelli from them, they could get something nice in return. He is injured too much, but someone wouldtake a chance on him.
Last year I stated that the DRays were getting close to being legit. They've got the offense, but pitching had remained not just weak, but incredibly weak. IF they can address this, watch out status quo.
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I dunno man. I think that Hughes, Melky, Marquez offer is better than or at least on par with that Mets offer without Martinez. Hughes is the best prospect in any rumors so far. Maybe I'm wrong but I've heard that Humber and Mulvey are projected to be 4-5 starters and middle of the rotation at best. And Guerra has a ton of upside but is a long ways away. I don't know a ton about those 3 guys but thats what I've heard. Ah, just saw you might be talking about the straight up swap of Hughes and Santana, my bad.

I am actually really intent on just going forward this season with what the Yankees have. It might be a little risky having 3 rookies pretty much in the rotation but I would trust three rookies more than Pavano, Karstens, Igawa, etc...all the crap we used at the beginning of the season last year. The Yankees were ridiculous the second half of the season last year and we have the same team coming back, except full years of Hughes, Joba and Kennedy. Really looking forward to this season just starting.

And if Santana reaches free agency I will be pretty damn ecstatic. The fact that the Yankees have 80 million coming off the books (Pettitte and Abreu are the only ones who'd possibly come back) after this upcoming season makes me even more excited about Santana possibly reaching free agency. I think theres a slim chance of that happening but one can hope. The ideal scenario would be the Twins keeping him and actually being in the race all of the season and then to have an epic Mets-like collapse at the end of the season. LOL, had to throw that in there.
Oddly enough, I seem to be one of the few people left that would gladly make that 5-for-1 trade to get Santana. Sure I'd love to keep one of Gomez or Martinez...but if need be, I'd make the trade. Martinez is 19 and Guerra is 18...there is no way to know if they'll pan out whereas Santana is a sure thing. Buster Olney is spewing some crap about how Santana must be injured if the Twins trade him to the Mets for a "medicore package" but fuck him.

A lot of Mets fans are going on about how the Mets might win in 2008 if they trade for Johan, but then they'd suck in 2009 and beyond. I just don't get that thinking. If the 5-for-1 trade goes down, you'll have Santana and Maine as locks for the 2009 rotation, and Perez will probably be signed for at least $10M...which is a good deal for a Boras client and he'll stll cost less than Pedro will in '08. Pelfrey will be the #4 starter (sounds like he's the odd man out in the trade), and he may very well be a soild pitcher by then. Then you just use a minor leaguer or sign a vet for that last spot.

In the lineup...you'll still have Wright, Reyes, Beltran. Schneider and Church will also still be under contract...and honestly I think Church might be solid in '08. A void will need to be filled at 1B and LF...but Delgado and Alou coming off the books SHOULD free up money...I bet they'd even have enough to jump into the Texeira derby though I'm sure a team like the Yankees will blow him out of the water with a huge offer he can't refuse.

I dunno...maybe I'm just still bitter from the collapse but I want the Mets to make this trade and win in 2008...it seems to be better than standing pat for three years and hoping the kids meet their expectations. If the trade doesn't go through, all the kids are gonna be heavily scrutinized when they come up as well.

Plus other things to consider: Getting like $32 million a year for Citi Field naming rights, having 3 of the top 33 or so draft picks this year, Omar's tendency to find young Latin players who wind up being big prospects (Gomez, Martinez, etc.)...there's no reason to think they can't contend in 2009 and beyond as well as rebuild the farm if they make that trade to bring Santana in now.
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Last year I stated that the DRays were getting close to being legit. They've got the offense, but pitching had remained not just weak, but incredibly weak. IF they can address this, watch out status quo.
Scotty Kazmir is the only thing they got going on the pitching end. Curious to see if they make a grab at someone else.
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Rays lock up Pena for 3 years, good on them.

Also the Rockies gave Holliday a 2 year deal so they won't have to deal with arbitration.
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Tigers lock in Miguel Cabrera for 1-year $11.3 mil.

Braves do the same to Mark Teixeira only for $12.5 mil.

Other names who recently agreed to deals are Justin Morneau, Jason Kubel, Brad Lidge, Joe Crede, Juan Rivera, and Huston Street.

Octavio Dotel signs 2-year, $11 mil. deal with the White Sox.

Scott Downs resigns with the Blue Jays for 3-years, $10 million.

Speaking of Scott Kazmir, sources say he's on his way to Arbitration.
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Tampa has a decent 2 and 3 in Shields and Garza. They also have some amazing pitching prospcts in the minors.

If Longoria can come into spring training and lands the 3b job, and live up to his .300 25 HR potential, allowin them to move Iwamura to 2nd and maybe Upton to the outfield, they can be a really surprising team. They have only gotten stronger from the team with the best 2nd half record 2 years ago. IF Boston or the Yanks come out weak this year, they could challenge for 2nd place. I doubt they do with their weak coaching, but they*could*
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Tampa has a decent 2 and 3 in Shields and Garza. They also have some amazing pitching prospcts in the minors.

If Longoria can come into spring training and lands the 3b job, and live up to his .300 25 HR potential, allowin them to move Iwamura to 2nd and maybe Upton to the outfield, they can be a really surprising team. They have only gotten stronger from the team with the best 2nd half record 2 years ago. IF Boston or the Yanks come out weak this year, they could challenge for 2nd place. I doubt they do with their weak coaching, but they*could*
I don't think they are ready to compete for 2nd place yet though. I actually think they've got a pretty solid team going into next year but just not enough to compete yet. They have Kazmir, Shields and Garza, which is a pretty solid top of the order and they have big pitching prospects in Price, McGee, etc... coming up. The big thing is whether guys like Kazmir, Crawford, etc... will be around when these other guys come up.
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I like Tampa Bay a lot but they'll finish in 4th behind the Blue Jays.
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Apparently the Dotel signing was a false report, and he is still a free agent. Wouldn't mind seeing the Mets sign him but I'd rather focus on another pitcher first.
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I don't know why the Yankees just let him go. They essentially paid for him to rehab, then he pitched like 4 innings and they didn't sign him.
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I'm kind of interested to see that as well. Matt Holiday had a career year, but he's been consistently good for the past few seasons, so I'm interested to see if he's going to perform again, especially given that he's a FA in 2009. I'm sure he will cause he's proven he's the real deal. Players like Jeff Francis and Garrett Atkins are also gonna need repeat performances of last season to keep the Rockies atop a very competitive NL West.

Yahoo Sports rated the rotations of Arizona, San Diego, and LA in the top 3 of the NL, so the Rockies will have to face difficult pitching all season again.
I'd also like to see who our second baseman will be
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Apparently the Dotel signing was a false report, and he is still a free agent. Wouldn't mind seeing the Mets sign him but I'd rather focus on another pitcher first.
That's good cause I thought it was ridiculous that he got signed for 2 years, $11 million.
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Some interesting arbitration developments...Ryan Howard asked for $10 million in his first year of arbitration, which would be a new record for first year if he wins. Meanwhile, the Phillies lowballed him by $3 million.

Mets have 5 players arbitration eligible, but in typical Mets fashion I expect deals to be worked out as they haven't had to go to a hearing since David Cone in 1992.

Though it really shouldn't, the fact that the Mets offered Oliver Perez $4.725 million and Perez asked for $6.5M really worries me. With Boras as his agent, I can see him saying "Ollie, they are trying to screw you...just wait to you hit the FA market", causing Ollie to ignore any talks of a contract extension during the year.
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Well if the Mets put any money into Perez they're taking a pretty huge gamble that he won't do the same thing he did in Pittsburgh and pitch great for a season then lapse and post 5.85 and 6.55 ERAs the following seasons.
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Brandon Phillips is exchanging his arbitration numbers with the Reds. Phillips wants $4.2 million and the Reds want $2.7 million. Hey, here's an idea: give that man his money and then ask him if you can get him a bottled water or a hot pretzel.
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