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Old 01-29-2008, 12:56 AM   #1121
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If thats all we have to give up I'm in too.
It is gutting our farm of our pitching,as well as losing Gomez and Milledge in the same offseason. But we are in dyer need of an ACE and Johan is the absolute goods. We keep FMart and Pelfry....Pull the trigger.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:14 AM   #1122
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Johan will stay a Twin. I have been saying this since day 1. The twins do not want to get rid of him.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:20 AM   #1123
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Johan will stay a Twin. I have been saying this since day 1. The twins do not want to get rid of him.
They don't have a choice but to get rid of him unless they are gonna offer up the money he wants. I don't think they will after giving all that money to Morneau and Cuddyer.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:39 AM   #1124
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They just coughed up over 100 mil in money between Morneau and Cuddyer, and THAT seemed like a stretch for the tight pocketed Twins owner. No chance he plans on giving Johan 120+ mil.
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Inge was a catcher before. So I imagine he wants to remains a Tiger and the Tigers are trying to 're train' him to add depth to their bench. If Inge is all for it, then this is a good baseball move by the the Tigers.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:03 AM   #1126
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Johnny Estrada signs a 1-year, $1.25 million deal with the Nats.

The Erik Bedard to Seattle deal is a big mess yet again. Rosenthal has 3 theories why this is being held up. One reason that popped early last night was that nobody could get through to Pete Angelos because of a family matter. But.....

Pete Angelos still wants to sign Bedard to an extension.
Pete Angelos is mad about Adam Jones leaking the deal to the Venezuelan press.
Or Pete Angelos just wants more/different players than Andy MacPhail negotiated.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:06 AM   #1127
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Angelos should just fire his managers, coaches and center fielder and assume those positions himself.
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Inge was a catcher before. So I imagine he wants to remains a Tiger and the Tigers are trying to 're train' him to add depth to their bench. If Inge is all for it, then this is a good baseball move by the the Tigers.
Well he still pretty pissed now that Miguel Cabrera has his job now. I guess this could work out if Ivan Rodriguez goes someplace else after his contract is up. Pretty surprised nobody has interest in him.
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Pudge is wearing down, all catchers do. I expect Inge to be depth, not a replacement. At this stage anyway.
If Inge wasn't pissed to loose his job, I wouldn't want him on my team. If he's willing to change for the good of the team (and of course himself) then he's a huge asset, the kind of team player you want.
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Buster Olney reports the Twins now are no longer giving a deadline and might wait to trade him even after pitchers and catchers report.

...Kill me now. I just can't take this shit any longer. Make a fucking decision.
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Pudge is wearing down, all catchers do. I expect Inge to be depth, not a replacement. At this stage anyway.
If Inge wasn't pissed to loose his job, I wouldn't want him on my team. If he's willing to change for the good of the team (and of course himself) then he's a huge asset, the kind of team player you want.

Oh he is still pissed but I'm relieved he is going to do this for us. It makes a big difference to have him backing up Pudge instead of Vance Wilson. Plus, if memory serves me Riberio went in the deal to Florida so they have no one left at catcher to back Pudge up. I could see the Tigers getting Inge's value up, shopping him at the deadline, and add a veteran or young catcher with some experience.
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Buster Olney reports the Twins now are no longer giving a deadline and might wait to trade him even after pitchers and catchers report.

...Kill me now. I just can't take this shit any longer. Make a fucking decision.
It's better to just ignore Santana talk. It has greatly helped my sanity.
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:20 PM   #1133
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Johnny Estrada signs a 1-year, $1.25 million deal with the Nats.

The Erik Bedard to Seattle deal is a big mess yet again. Rosenthal has 3 theories why this is being held up. One reason that popped early last night was that nobody could get through to Pete Angelos because of a family matter. But.....

Pete Angelos still wants to sign Bedard to an extension.
Pete Angelos is mad about Adam Jones leaking the deal to the Venezuelan press.
Or Pete Angelos just wants more/different players than Andy MacPhail negotiated.
Or Pete Angelos wants to be Pete Angelos one more time
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Old 01-29-2008, 03:52 PM   #1134
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Kris Benson popped on the radar again. He's gonna throw for teams again about a week from today. Only reported team in attendance are the Phillies.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:19 PM   #1136
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...-santana_N.htm

Reporting that the deal is agreed upon. Gomez, Humber, Mulvey and Guerra for Santana.

That is a steal for the Mets.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:34 PM   #1137
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We end up keeping Pelfry and FMart, though the farm is gutted from pitching I am still EXTREMLY EXCITED!
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:43 PM   #1138
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Yessss Yankees didn't get Santana and the Sox are keeping all their young talent. Let the domination begin
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Yeah, wow, the Twins are fucking dumb. They could have had the best pitching prospect in baseball, Phil Hughes, a 23 year old really good CF with 2 seasons already under his belt, Melky Cabrera and another prospect, or a top pitching prospect like Jon Lester, a potential future star in Jacoby Ellsbury, etc.

Instead, they get Carlos Gomez, who is comparable to Melky Cabrera, as the centerpiece. They get Philip Humber, who has a future as a number 3 starter. I never heard of Guerra. I've heard good things about Mulvey, but he's not a top prospect or anything. Mets kept their 2 best prospects, Martinez and Pelfrey. What a steal. Twins are retarded. That's what they get for giving the Yankees and Red Sox blue balls for months.

I am very happy. We keep Hughes. The Red Sox don't get Santana. The Mets still won't win the World Series. Life is good.
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I still can't believe that THIS is what they were holding out for. lollllllllllll
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Yeah, I really think the Twins dropped the ball. Gomez and Guerra are supposedly pretty big prospects but Humber and Mulvey are projected to be #4 starters, #3 starters at best.

Gomez has the potential to be good, has a ton of speed and everything. And Guerra has "front-line" potential but he's also in like A ball and years away.

I really think the Twins screwed up though. A package headed by Lester, Ellsbury or Hughes would be better.
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If I were them, I'd have preferred Ian Kennedy, Melky and 2 prospects to this deal.
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How can you seriously lose Santana, Silva and Garza in one offseason and not get a big pitching prospect back to fill in the rotation? Mulvey and Humber are close to being ready but are projected to be back-end pitchers. Guerra is a while away I think.

Definitely happy the Yanks kept Hughes though.
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Kennedy is better than them. He is severely underrated. He was amazing last year. He's a first round pick. Also, look at his minor league numbers, they're as good as anyone ever:

149 IP, 12-3, 165 Ks, 52 BBs, 1.87/0.97

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If I were them, I'd have preferred Ian Kennedy, Melky and 2 prospects to this deal.
Yeah, me too. And I don't even think I'm overvaluing the Yankees prospects at all. You'd think a Kennedy, Tabata, Marquez deal would have gotten this done in minutes. I've heard Mets fans say Gomez really isn't ready yet for bigs either.
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Jawful move by the Twins

Mets get Santana and the Giants are in the Superbowl...WOOOOOO
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Johan is winning the NL Cy Young for the METS and lead us to a world series win over Detriot. It is as simple as that.
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When you lose those 3 guys, you can't expect to win this year. They shelled out the cash to keep Morneau for there future, so go young and rebuild and hopefully be ready to contend come the time of their new stadium.
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Kennedy is better than them. He is severely underrated. He was amazing last year. He's a first round pick. Also, look at his minor league numbers, they're as good as anyone ever:

149 IP, 12-3, 165 Ks, 52 BBs, 1.87/0.97

Nasty
Yeah, I agree. I actually think he will be the most successful next year for us. He doesn't have the pure stuff and might never be an ace but he is the most polished out of the big three. And he has the best chance at pitching a good amount of innings next year. Probably like 180 which will be more than Hughes or Joba.

Man, can't wait for the season to start.
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Johan is winning the NL Cy Young for the METS and lead us to a world series win over Detriot. It is as simple as that.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:02 PM   #1151
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Hopefully Santana is gonna hold out for that 7 year extension though. LOL, don't want the Mets to get him this easily. I really think the Mets are just gonna have to give him what he wants now. They don't have much choice.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:04 PM   #1152
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:09 PM   #1153
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As long as Santana holds out for his 7 year extension I will be happy.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:12 PM   #1154
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Yeah. Just read the breaking news ticker on A.T.H. Only thing that's being held up is Mets deal to Santana when he gets here.

But finally! The wait is over on this.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:21 PM   #1155
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Couple other things I dug up.

According to a Yankees pitching coach, they're gonna start Joba Chamberlain in the pen and break him into the rotation down the line in the season.

On Erik Bedard's end, a radio rumor arose on the Baltimore airwaves this afternoon that the reason the trade is on hold is because that the O's were informed of a "degenerative hip condtion" with Adam Jones. The Orioles are concerned, but no news as of late.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:42 PM   #1156
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:50 PM   #1158
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lol Assmane texting me telling me about this.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:47 PM   #1159
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I am so fricken happy right now. Yankees keep their players and the Red Sox don't get 2 times better then they were. I don't understand why Smith would do this deal though. Minnesota fans are gonna be pissed. Congrats on getting Santana to all the Mets fans.
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:02 PM   #1160
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This is great.

Good on the mets.

Bad on the Twins.

The Yanks and Boston stay the same....good stuff.
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