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Old 03-19-2008, 06:45 PM   #1
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He wasn't slatted to beat him. It was an idea for him and later Kane to beat Triple-H but he nixed both.
That's not what this guy is now saying.
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Old 03-19-2008, 06:53 PM   #2
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Well, if RVD didn't openly trash WWE and brag about how he smokes weed every time he does an interview....
LOL yeah. It's even better that he tends to lie about shit, too. The primary thing being that he pretends he was fired for weed...

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Old 03-19-2008, 07:12 PM   #3
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That's not what this guy is now saying.
Where does he say that this was the exact plan?
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Old 03-21-2008, 11:24 PM   #4
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Where does he say that this was the exact plan?
"Then, with Brock gone and defected, our plan called for Bischoff to announce the creation of the World Heavyweight Championship, with the No. 1 contender (Triple H) facing the IC Champion (Rob Van Dam) to crown the first champion at Unforgiven.

Van Dam would then win the World Title, and our plan called for both he and Brock to hold onto their championships until the following WrestleMania -- there had been so much turmoil and craziness with the Invasion storyline and the brand extension that we resolved it would be a good thing to get one guy driving each show for the better part of the year. Having Brock and Van Dam be the guys felt new and fresh, especially after a year when you had Austin, Hogan, Rock, Triple H and Undertaker on top -- all huge stars obviously, but the fans (and most of us on creative) were screaming for something new."
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Old 03-22-2008, 08:12 PM   #5
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"Then, with Brock gone and defected, our plan called for Bischoff to announce the creation of the World Heavyweight Championship, with the No. 1 contender (Triple H) facing the IC Champion (Rob Van Dam) to crown the first champion at Unforgiven.

Van Dam would then win the World Title, and our plan called for both he and Brock to hold onto their championships until the following WrestleMania -- there had been so much turmoil and craziness with the Invasion storyline and the brand extension that we resolved it would be a good thing to get one guy driving each show for the better part of the year. Having Brock and Van Dam be the guys felt new and fresh, especially after a year when you had Austin, Hogan, Rock, Triple H and Undertaker on top -- all huge stars obviously, but the fans (and most of us on creative) were screaming for something new."
I can tell you that "our plan" wasn't the WWE plan. It wasn't close to it. There as a 50-50 split on giving both RVD and Kane world title runs prior to matches with Triple-H and nothing after that. And as for long term plans going into Wrestlemania, WWE barely books anything for Mania before Survivor Series because they change their minds about as much as I change my kid's dirty nappies.
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Old 03-22-2008, 10:08 PM   #6
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I can tell you that "our plan" wasn't the WWE plan. It wasn't close to it. There as a 50-50 split on giving both RVD and Kane world title runs prior to matches with Triple-H and nothing after that. And as for long term plans going into Wrestlemania, WWE barely books anything for Mania before Survivor Series because they change their minds about as much as I change my kid's dirty nappies.
Of course it wasn't the WWE's plan. They obviously didn't go through with it. Whether it was Triple H, Stephanie McMahon or Vince McMahon, Triple H was awarded the World Heavyweight Championship, which seemed to justify victories over Kane and RVD to "establish" the belt. There are not real arguments there.

This writer has come out and stated that the writers (or whoever "we" represents -- I'm assuming the writers) wanted to put the World Heavyweight Championship on Rob Van Dam. He is a legitimate source, I believe.

You do have a very good track record, but that doesn't mean your word should be taken as lore automatically. I'm not arguing with you here, or implying that you don't have a clue what you're talking about, but following even an enlightened person blind is often a bad choice. You have been right most of the time, though, I'll give you that.

I'm sure you are right when you talk about it not being Vince's plan. If it was, then it probably would have happened. I think it is a bit ignorant to dismiss this writer's claims as completely false, though.
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I'm sure you are right when you talk about it not being Vince's plan. If it was, then it probably would have happened. I think it is a bit ignorant to dismiss this writer's claims as completely false, though.
You are 100% on that if it was Vince's plan, it would have happened. And I'm not dismissing the story as completely false. I'm saying it wasn't ever a set plan. It was an idea. Whole different thing. Like I said, I know for a fact there was serious talks of putting the title on RVD and Kane but it never happened. Those were also just ideas. Unless Vince McMahon changed his mind on something, it's not the plan.
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You are 100% on that if it was Vince's plan, it would have happened. And I'm not dismissing the story as completely false. I'm saying it wasn't ever a set plan. It was an idea. Whole different thing. Like I said, I know for a fact there was serious talks of putting the title on RVD and Kane but it never happened. Those were also just ideas. Unless Vince McMahon changed his mind on something, it's not the plan.
I agree. Sorta. I think saying "the idea was to put the title on RVD" and "the plan was to put the title on RVD" are interchangeable. It's just that the plan didn't get very far. It was the plan for a lot of people, but the person who counts just went a different route. You can get plans on all different levels.

But I do agree with the general point that Vince obviously wanted to go with Triple H.

Seth Mates has written another entry, where he talks about how Triple H was the right choice to go with as World Heavyweight Champion, and in it he claims that "most of the writers" wanted RVD to be the first World Heavyweight Champion. And the following here is a direct quote from Mates:

"At the time, it was disheartening to see the plans change so drastically (yes, the official plan at first was for RVD to win it)."

I'm not saying you are wrong, Rob. Just saying that there were obviously "plans" or "ideas" for RVD to be the first World Heavyweight Champion. I think we're just arguing semantics when it comes to whether or not they were serious.
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