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Old 04-26-2008, 10:26 AM   #1
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NFL is a game for little girls, real men play Rugby
Anytime someone gets tackled everyone just stops and hugs and shit like that and the tackles made are so weak!. Rugby is a man's game not this fairy tickling contest you americans call a sport

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Old 04-26-2008, 10:29 AM   #2
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Old 04-26-2008, 11:18 AM   #3
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Old 04-26-2008, 12:43 PM   #4
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Old 04-26-2008, 01:38 PM   #5
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I love how foreigners can spend all day talking about how Americans are blood thirsty, warmongering, uncultured Neanderthals, but if we try to protect people who are playing a game we're considered little girls.

As one of the very few people on this board who have competitively played both rugby and American football, I can assure you that rugby is not a tougher sport and the tackling is not harder.

For starters, there is no blocking in rugby, which means if you're not directly involved in the action you're not going to get hit. With football, regardless of your involvement in the action, you're going to get hit in some form on every play. Blocking also means more blindside hitting which causes for awkward collisions and dangerous landing positions which without pads could lead to serious injury. Since we're only playing a game, why would we want to try to hurt each other?

In addition, the rules for tackling in football are much more ambiguous than in rugby. Rugby tackling requires you to wrap your opponent and actually tackle him. In football, you can do pretty much everything besides punching and kicking your opponent to tackle him. Again this leads to a greater chance of head and neck trauma and if measures can be taken to assure that people can play this game and have fun while being kept safe, why wouldn't you take them?

I don't understand why foreigners are so obsessed with proving rugby is a tougher game. They're not the same sport and they have drastically different rules and circumstances. You're free to have your ignorant opinions and nobody can stop you but I really think you'd all benefit from doing a bit of research and experiencing both football and rugby for what they are: games.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:29 AM   #6
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I think in some ways NFL is a sissy sport, play for 8 secs then take a 30 sec breather. But to say the tackles in NFL are weak, well, you must be watching the wrong games dude. The tackles that NFL players would knock the head off of some players from rugby.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:42 AM   #7
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Supreme is in the right direction, both are very tough sports. Although him playing rugby in America is like playing Soccer in NZ. The competition is gonna be shit, so it's hard to compare.

You need to be better conditioned, and fitter to play rugby. No doubt. It's also a more skillful game.

But realistically, getting hit by one of those fatties in football is gonna fucken hurt, it's all they have to do, so you know they're gonna do it right.

All in all, they are different games, and each are tough in their own aspects. I'm also sure that you would struggle to find alot of players from either sport that could cross over to the other and be successful. They are that different.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:51 AM   #8
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Old 04-27-2008, 05:13 PM   #11
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And English People have horrible teeth.


The Aussies have nothing else to do but beat the shit out of each other....Well, other than save their babies from Dingos.


NFL is brutal physically, takes more skills, NFL players are far superior athletes to Rugby players, Adding pads only allows harder hits/harder objects hitting you (try taking a Helmet to the stomach Dundee)

Say what you will, but at the end of the day, the NFL makes billions of dollars with hundreds of millions of fans.

While Rugby players are the Nick Mondo's of pro sports.





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Old 04-27-2008, 05:40 PM   #12
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And English People have horrible teeth.


The Aussies have nothing else to do but beat the shit out of each other....Well, other than save their babies from Dingos.


NFL is brutal physically, takes more skills, NFL players are far superior athletes to Rugby players, Adding pads only allows harder hits/harder objects hitting you (try taking a Helmet to the stomach Dundee)

Say what you will, but at the end of the day, the NFL makes billions of dollars with hundreds of millions of fans.

While Rugby players are the Nick Mondo's of pro sports.





Flame on

So you mean taking rest stops and allowing the other masses of grunts to run around like idiots is athletic? okaaaay. props to the dig at the poms and the oz.
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Well in soccer they run around like idiots.

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Old 04-27-2008, 06:29 PM   #14
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American Football is a game a strategy.. The "rest stops" are to set up that strategy.. You'd know that if you actually studied what you are trying to insult as opposed to talking out of your ass..
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Supreme is in the right direction, both are very tough sports. Although him playing rugby in America is like playing Soccer in NZ. The competition is gonna be shit, so it's hard to compare.

You need to be better conditioned, and fitter to play rugby. No doubt. It's also a more skillful game.

I disagree, I've watched both sports and I think both have some players who are incredibly well conditioned and some who are fat lumps, all depends on the position said player plays and said players dedication imo
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Also show me one Rugby player who could tackle this man..



He benched 225lbs 34 times in a row at the combine..

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You need to be better conditioned, and fitter to play rugby. No doubt. It's also a more skillful game.
I wouldn't say that. I would say the athletes are just as conditioned and just as fit. I wouldn't say that football requires greater skill, but that the two skill sets required for the two sports are different, but not one greater than the other.
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Anyone who is bashing the NFL here, can fuck off.

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Also show me one Rugby player who could tackle this man..



He benched 225lbs 34 times in a row at the combine..

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He would also last about 4 and a half minutes in a game of rugby before passing out

Rugby pretty much bores the piss out of me
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Also show me one Rugby player who could tackle this man..



He benched 225lbs 34 times in a row at the combine..

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lol of course you would show a New Orleans player.

But yeah, the players in the NFL are in the best of shape. Even the 300 pound+ players in the leaugue can out run the majority of people.
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He would also last about 4 and a half minutes in a game of rugby before passing out

Rugby pretty much bores the piss out of me
Ok then,



Either way, to say that Rugby players are tougher and/or more elite athlete is pretty fucking retarded..
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Oh, and DrA, the last time we had this argument I used Ray Lewis as my example.. Just so happened that today I was watching Ellis videos and reading up on him and whatnot..

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Ok then,



Either way, to say that Rugby players are tougher and/or more elite athlete is pretty fucking retarded..
For sure it is. However, there are guys just as fit/in as great shape as Reggie Bush in Rugby. However, I see the whole argument as irrelevent, mainly due to the fact that in Rugby, there isn't much difference in sizes. They seem to range from small and stocky to big and stocky/fat who are on the field for the full game, with one stoppage. In American Football, there are all sorts of sizes and shapes, from piss thin kickers to fat OL guys with all sorts of machine linebackers, mad athletic backs etc in between. Some of those guys I have no doubt could atheltic/cardio-wise play rugby but not everybody.

In comparisons between the two games, I see the NFL as a high impact game. The pads are there because in rugby, you quite simply don't have a 200+lbs guy in peak physical condition running into you as quickly and as hard as he possibly can. There isn't enough space and like somebody mentioned, tackles must be made 'properly', not just trying to destroy the other person. My main worry in rugby I think would be getting trodden on.

Anyways, pointless argument. Again.
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Oh, and DrA, the last time we had this argument I used Ray Lewis as my example.. Just so happened that today I was watching Ellis videos and reading up on him and whatnot..

p.s. Good pick getting Felix Jones.. That kid is a monster..


The argument of NFL players not being great athletes (I am not sure if it was even said, but just in case it was), is untrue. Many players that play in the league are multisport stars to begin with. You have guys that, if trained properly, could probably be Olympic sprinters playing alongside guys that can lift trees out of their roots if they wanted to. The NFL is full of guys that could play in other leagues professionally if they chose that direction: baseball, basketball, probably rugby if that was big here. I have never played rugby, or really know anything about it, but I am sure that it is a tough sport in its own right. However, just because one sport is tough does not mean that another one is not.
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I disagree, I've watched both sports and I think both have some players who are incredibly well conditioned and some who are fat lumps, all depends on the position said player plays and said players dedication imo
yeah, but the fat lumps in rugby still have to spend 80 minutes constantly running, so I'd say they are certainly more conditioned than the fat lumps in football. A Rugby loose forward has to have more aerobic fitness than a whole NFL Team combined.
Also, I tried to be decent with my comments, and not be a fanboy, some of you American could try to do the same. Hanso
Then again, you don't get Super14 etc, so you wouldn't know.

Oh and as far as tacking Ellis goes, anyone can be tacked in a rugby tackle. Jerry Collins or Schalk Burger would take him easily.

I'd like to see Dale Newstead in here with his opinion.
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Jerry Collins wouldnt just tackle him, he would fucking eat him alive.

More too the point a lot of guys in Rugby could tackle him. Most players over here live by the bigger they are the harder they fall and its very true. Many is the time I have seen a little weed of a guy floor an absolute beast with a decent round the legs tackle.

That said and done the two are very dissimilar games in all but the violent undertone. That said Rugby League and NFL are probably a lot more similar in a physical sense. Those boys put in some king hits.
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yeah, but the fat lumps in rugby still have to spend 80 minutes constantly running, so I'd say they are certainly more conditioned than the fat lumps in football. A Rugby loose forward has to have more aerobic fitness than a whole NFL Team combined.
Also, I tried to be decent with my comments, and not be a fanboy, some of you American could try to do the same. Hanso
Then again, you don't get Super14 etc, so you wouldn't know.

Oh and as far as tacking Ellis goes, anyone can be tacked in a rugby tackle. Jerry Collins or Schalk Burger would take him easily.

I'd like to see Dale Newstead in here with his opinion.

Im just trying to get everyone riled up.


I respect the shit out of rugby, but I think the NFL is superior in all aspects. Rugby is on par with Hockey I would say.
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Football and Rugby tackling are completely different techniques. Thought I'd throw that out there.
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