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Old 04-28-2008, 01:01 PM   #1
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Jericho is suffering what a lot of guys seem to be going through. It can only be answered by the necessity to do a fucking draft as soon as possible. I mean, they really don't have any fueds or programmes to protect right now.

After Backlash, which is kind of intended to dust off any questions from Mania, must be considered the perfect time.
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Old 04-28-2008, 01:11 PM   #2
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Jericho is suffering what a lot of guys seem to be going through. It can only be answered by the necessity to do a fucking draft as soon as possible.
Or it could be answered by Jericho giving a shit, putting effort into it, and being as entertaining as he was 5 years ago.

Granted, it's not a total cure for what ails him, but it's a fucking start. I understand he left wrestling because he was burned out, but it seems like he came back before his burnout ended. Yeah, I know, his biggest fans will argue otherwise...Whatever.

People always say "draft," or "End the roster split," or whatever, but these are bandaids, not solutions. The wrestlers are lazy, he writers are yesmen, and the management are retards/
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Old 04-28-2008, 02:07 PM   #3
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Or it could be answered by Jericho giving a shit, putting effort into it, and being as entertaining as he was 5 years ago.

Granted, it's not a total cure for what ails him, but it's a fucking start. I understand he left wrestling because he was burned out, but it seems like he came back before his burnout ended. Yeah, I know, his biggest fans will argue otherwise...Whatever.

People always say "draft," or "End the roster split," or whatever, but these are bandaids, not solutions. The wrestlers are lazy, he writers are yesmen, and the management are retards/
You know I agree with you on Jericho. But, on the other hand I thought he was very good at KOTR and his mic-work has been only surpassed on an entertainment level by Adamle recently. Just horrible booking.

If they are going to use him as a pawn to build a singles fued, he isn't even in. He is always going to struggle. But to use a good talker is a good idea in essence. So why not, if he isn't fueding, put him on Colour Comm's on one of the shows and just have him do what he does so well, do the Highlight Reel as well, and that allows an easy catylist to a fued with anyone at some point.

Before I hear 'but your taking the best wrestler out of the ring, etc...' His wrestling is sure as fuck doing nothing for him right now, and he really isn't makng others look great and putting people over, so it really doesn't matter. I'm not saying to do this as a permanent thing, just while the product is a little dry, and he has no programme to work, why not have 2 hours of Y2J on the mic every week?


As far as the draft. The Wrestlers, writers and management aren't going to change their ways. It goes without saying. Might as well put the shit in a different order though. They will get a good week's television out of it, and we can remain bored with that sliiiiiiiiight twist of originality.
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:15 PM   #4
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The wrestlers are lazy, he writers are yesmen, and the management are retards/
The wrestlers get lazy (mainly) through disillusionment and the writers are yes men because their jobs depend on it, meaning the latter is the root of all WWE's problems. And it starts at the very top with the dictatorial and out of touch McMahon family. Unfortunately, this is something which will never change.

Re: Jericho. He has lacked spark since his return, but in the currently heavily scripted world of WWE where deviation from the plan is a fatal sin and balls are constantly on the line, where politicians have their knives out waiting for any opportunity to pounce, it does not bode well for any wrestler to go beyond the words and actions written down on the page for them. Not neccessarily defending Jericho per se, but the whole roster bar the tippy top crew... they can only work with what they are given, and you can't polish a lump of shit.
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:22 PM   #5
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The wrestlers get lazy (mainly) through disillusionment and the writers are yes men because their jobs depend on it, meaning the latter is the root of all WWE's problems. And it starts at the very top with the dictatorial and out of touch McMahon family. Unfortunately, this is something which will never change.

Re: Jericho. He has lacked spark since his return, but in the currently heavily scripted world of WWE where deviation from the plan is a fatal sin and balls are constantly on the line, where politicians have their knives out waiting for any opportunity to pounce, it does not bode well for any wrestler to go beyond the words and actions written down on the page for them. Not neccessarily defending Jericho per se, but the whole roster bar the tippy top crew... they can only work with what they are given, and you can't polish a lump of shit.
Hit the nail on the head imo. Jericho was 'screwed' out of the WWE title, and yet in todays storyline terms of 100 rematches for screwed Wrestlers, he hasn't mentioned it since. He's IC champ and doesn't even defend the title. Not Jericho's fault that he's in the role of game show host and referee.

His match with MPV was good imo, his match with Punk wasn't. I can't understand why they didn't give Punk the win over Hardy before his suspension and Jericho the MITB.

I mean, have we ever had a Jericho/Taker feud? I don't recall it.

The writers are pretty much clueless, which is why I'm surprised that Regal even won KOTR.

Pretty random and fragmented thoughts, but its late.
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:41 PM   #6
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The writers are pretty much clueless, which is why I'm not surprised that Regal won KOTR.
Fixed.

But yeah, it's no good ripping on Jericho (and Carlito, and Shelton, and all the rest of the so-called "lazy" crew) for not producing the goods when they're given a pile of wank to work with.

No more than you could blame an actor for a film being absolutely abysmal. If the script is abysmal, the premise is abysmal, the support cast is abysmal and in some cases the actor has been horribly miscast (say Jack Black as James Bond, or Samuel L. Jackson as The Joker in a Batman movie) then it should come as no surprise if the movie sucks even if the lead acts his heart out in it.

I'm not saying they deserve NO blame for not trying harder to turn the lemons into delicious lemonade, but when you're banging your head against a brick wall 365 days a year, it must be pretty easy to become disheartened. When you're told you need to "step up your game", yet every step of your 3 minute match is pre-planned, the interviews are scripted word-for-word and you're having no leeway to bring anything of your own into the equation, what the fuck are they supposed to do?
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:25 PM   #7
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I'm not saying they deserve NO blame for not trying harder to turn the lemons into delicious lemonade, but when you're banging your head against a brick wall 365 days a year, it must be pretty easy to become disheartened.
You're right, but do you really think even if Jericho was at his peak (call it WCW 1998, WWF 2000, whatever you may believe was his prime year) it would have made any difference to his position on the card today? The answer is most likely no more so than it ever did then.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:20 AM   #8
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Fixed.

But yeah, it's no good ripping on Jericho (and Carlito, and Shelton, and all the rest of the so-called "lazy" crew) for not producing the goods when they're given a pile of wank to work with.
Shelton's not lazy, he just gets sloppy in ring. Carlito has been doing better to be fair.
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:17 PM   #9
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The wrestlers get lazy (mainly) through disillusionment and the writers are yes men because their jobs depend on it, meaning the latter is the root of all WWE's problems. And it starts at the very top with the dictatorial and out of touch McMahon family. Unfortunately, this is something which will never change.

Re: Jericho. He has lacked spark since his return, but in the currently heavily scripted world of WWE where deviation from the plan is a fatal sin and balls are constantly on the line, where politicians have their knives out waiting for any opportunity to pounce, it does not bode well for any wrestler to go beyond the words and actions written down on the page for them. Not neccessarily defending Jericho per se, but the whole roster bar the tippy top crew... they can only work with what they are given, and you can't polish a lump of shit.

Well,m of course it starts at the top, but if you can't be professional enough to do your job, part of the blame is still yours.
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