Mortal Kombat vs. DC Comics

[Taft]

Holy fuck.

www.worldscollide.com

[dablackguy]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78469

[Jura]

Scotty Ranger is my all time favorite Power Ranger with the exception of the Red Space Ranger.

[Kalyx triaD]

Originally Posted by jura Scotty Ranger is my all time favorite Power Ranger with the exception of the Red Space Ranger.

That faggot Andross? He killed Zordon!

[Jura]

Zordon had it coming! I used to call him Gor-Don for some reason.

[Heyman]

In your opinion, what would be the "rankings" of the Mortal Kombat characters? (based on the latest game Mortal Kombat Armageddon). I don't know all of the characters, but here is how I'd rank a few of them:


1) Taven
1a) Lui Kang
4) Blaze
5) Shujinko
6) Onaga
7) Raiden
8) Sho Kahn
9) Quan Chi'
10) Shang Tsung
11) Johnny Cage
12) Goro
12a) Kintaro

I'm too lazy/uninformed to rank the other 60 billion characters or so.

[Taft]

What do you mean by rank?

Like, favorites?

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Scotty Ranger What do you mean by rank? Like, favorites?

Like "who would beat who" according to storyline fights?

For example - in the 1995 movie Mortal Kombat, Johnny Cage defeated Goro. Hence - Johnny Cage was a higher rank in my rankings.

In the video game (Mortal Kombat: Deception), Quan Chi defeated Shang Tsung.

Based on every "storyline fight" (i.e. movies, video games, etc.), I'm trying to figure out as to what would be the Mortal Kombat rankings if there was one.

The following link may also provide some valuable information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Kombat

[Taft]

Well fuck me.

I dunno if I have the patience for that.

But you overlooked one important character in your list.






Styker.

[D Mac]

*Stryker

[D Mac]

Originally Posted by Heyman In your opinion, what would be the "rankings" of the Mortal Kombat characters? (based on the latest game Mortal Kombat Armageddon). I don't know all of the characters, but here is how I'd rank a few of them: 1) Taven 1a) Lui Kang 4) Blaze 5) Shujinko 6) Onaga 7) Raiden 8) Sho Kahn 9) Quan Chi' 10) Shang Tsung 11) Johnny Cage 12) Goro 12a) Kintaro I'm too lazy/uninformed to rank the other 60 billion characters or so.

How could you forget Scorpion and Sub Zero?

[Fryza]

Deception's Onaga > Anything.

Bastard...

[owenbrown]

Hopefully they won't pussy it up where you can't do fatalities on the DC Universe characters.

[Kalyx triaD]

Originally Posted by owenbrown Hopefully they won't pussy it up where you can't do fatalities on the DC Universe characters.

Actually that's pretty much the case. No Fatalities.

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Heyman Like "who would beat who" according to storyline fights? For example - in the 1995 movie Mortal Kombat, Johnny Cage defeated Goro. Hence - Johnny Cage was a higher rank in my rankings. In the video game (Mortal Kombat: Deception), Quan Chi defeated Shang Tsung. Based on every "storyline fight" (i.e. movies, video games, etc.), I'm trying to figure out as to what would be the Mortal Kombat rankings if there was one. The following link may also provide some valuable information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Kombat

sub zero beat quan chi and shinnok. scorpion beat quan chi. shang tung killed lu kang.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant sub zero beat quan chi and shinnok. scorpion beat quan chi. shang tung killed lu kang.

Shang Tsung killed Lui Kang, but it was with the help of Quan Chi. Prior to that however, Lui Kang was getting the better of Shang Tsung. In the original Mortal Kombat tournament, Lui Kang also defeated Shang Tsung CLEANLY.

To the best of my knowledge, Sub Zero and Scorpion have not defeated Quan Chi'. Can you please provide proof of this?

Your co-operation is appreciated.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Diesel Mac How could you forget Scorpion and Sub Zero?

I didn't forget about Scoripion and Sub Zero. I just do not think they belong on that "top 13 list" that I created.

Sub Zero is superior to Scorpion (to the best of my knowledge....or they might be equals with both men getting one victory over another), but Johnny Cage has defeated Scorpion (Mortal Kombat movie).

Cage also defeated Goro...the former reigning champion. To the best of my knowledge, Sub Zero and Scorpion have NOT defeated Goro...and I do not believe that they are capable of doing so.

I hope this helps.

Cheers.

[Reavant]

The game needs to have from MK:

Liu Kang
Sonya Blade
Johnny Cage
Raiden
Jax
Sub Zero
Scorpion
Kano
Goro
Shang Tsung
one of the robots... probably Cyrax
one of the female ninjas... probably Kitana
Baraka
maybe Shao Kahn

Those are the most important and reacurring characters in the MK universe

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Fryza Deception's Onaga > Anything. Bastard...

Onaga was quite dominant in Deception....as he withstood the combined forces of Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, and Raiden himself.

Having said that, Mortal Kombat is designed in such a way that the TOP good guy (or in this case, good guy(s)), will be ranked #1. In this case, Lui Kang, Taven, and Shujinko are the top men.

To the best of my knowledge, Shujinko is successful in his attempt of extracting revenge on Onaga (which puts him at a higher rank). Blaze was also a creation of elder gods (i.e. Taven's parents), which also puts him ahead.

Since out of ALL the competitors that competed in Armageddon (i.e. trying to "fight their way" up the pyramid), Taven was the one that emerged victorious, he gets the top rank.

It is still unknown at this point as to whether Lui Kang or Shujinko is superior to one another (my money would be placed on Lui Kang).

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Heyman Shang Tsung killed Lui Kang, but it was with the help of Quan Chi. Prior to that however, Lui Kang was getting the better of Shang Tsung. In the original Mortal Kombat tournament, Lui Kang also defeated Shang Tsung CLEANLY. To the best of my knowledge, Sub Zero and Scorpion have not defeated Quan Chi'. Can you please provide proof of this? Your co-operation is appreciated.

this being a video game discussion, id think we stay to the video game story lines.... anyway...

Mortal Kombat Mythologies Sub zero defeated fujin, shinnok, and quan chi.

Sub Zero only beat scorpion when he was alive and didnt have the powers he has now.

During mortal kombat 4 Scorpion defeated sub zero for the last time but learned about quan chi being responsible for his misery where he took him to hell and tortured him until mortal kombat deadly alliance.

Also Sub zero has the powers of a god now with his dragon amulet and scorpion was made a soldier of the elder gods during MK deception.

So to say that neither of those guys could beat any of the other people is kind of dumb.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant Those are the most important and reacurring characters in the MK universe

Granted, but "re-occurring" character cannot be 1-1 correlated with "who is a better fighter?"

For example - it's obvious that the creators of Mortal Kombat have an extreme hard-on for Shang Tsung (as result, the creators of MK were actually thinking of killing off the "Shao Khan" character in "Deadly Alliance."). However - it's no secret that in a 1-1 confrontation, Khan would defeat Shang Tsung.

Theoretically, Reptile is supposed to be a combination of Sub-Zero and Scorpion.....(which implies that he's superior to those two), but Sub-Zero and Scorpion still garner far more attention (and have been in more video games to the best of my knowledge).

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Heyman Onaga was quite dominant in Deception....as he withstood the combined forces of Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, and Raiden himself. Having said that, Mortal Kombat is designed in such a way that the TOP good guy (or in this case, good guy(s)), will be ranked #1. In this case, Lui Kang, Taven, and Shujinko are the top men. To the best of my knowledge, Shujinko is successful in his attempt of extracting revenge on Onaga (which puts him at a higher rank). Blaze was also a creation of elder gods (i.e. Taven's parents), which also puts him ahead. Since out of ALL the competitors that competed in Armageddon (i.e. trying to "fight their way" up the pyramid), Taven was the one that emerged victorious, he gets the top rank. It is still unknown at this point as to whether Lui Kang or Shujinko is superior to one another (my money would be placed on Lui Kang).

there was no end to deception.... it went strait to armageddon at east shujinko never got anywhere near onaga in the fact that noone still knew who shujinko was in armageddon.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant this being a video game discussion, id think we stay to the video game story lines.... anyway... Mortal Kombat Mythologies Sub zero defeated fujin, shinnok, and quan chi. Sub Zero only beat scorpion when he was alive and didnt have the powers he has now. During mortal kombat 4 Scorpion defeated sub zero for the last time but learned about quan chi being responsible for his misery where he took him to hell and tortured him until mortal kombat deadly alliance. Also Sub zero has the powers of a god now with his dragon amulet and scorpion was made a soldier of the elder gods during MK deception. So to say that neither of those guys could beat any of the other people is kind of dumb.

OK - I stand corrected. Admittedly, my knowledge of Mortal Kombat is a little vague before 'Deadly Alliance.'

I was also unaware of Scorpion defeating Quan Chi' (along with the other details of Scorpion/Sub-Zero that you provided.....nice job by the way ).

My "rationale" for ranking Quan Chi ahead of Sub-Zero and Scorpion, was the fact that he defeated Shang Tsung after they collectively defeated Raiden. Since Sub Zero and Scorpion were working for Shang Tsung (in MK1 the movie...I didn't differentiate video game storylines from movie storylines), I figured that it automatically made Quan Chi' superior.

Your reasoning however does make sense (the producers of MK have gone on record stating the Scorpion is one of their favourite characters). It would only be fitting that Scorpion (and Sub Zero) be given greater roles.

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Heyman Granted, but "re-occurring" character cannot be 1-1 correlated with "who is a better fighter?" For example - it's obvious that the creators of Mortal Kombat have an extreme hard-on for Shang Tsung (as result, the creators of MK were actually thinking of killing off the "Shao Khan" character in "Deadly Alliance."). However - it's no secret that in a 1-1 confrontation, Khan would defeat Shang Tsung. Theoretically, Reptile is supposed to be a combination of Sub-Zero and Scorpion.....(which implies that he's superior to those two), but Sub-Zero and Scorpion still garner far more attention (and have been in more video games to the best of my knowledge).

i wasnt ranking them.... i was saying charaters to be in the game.

reptile isnt a combo of anyone... in fact hes one of the weaker ninjas who got his ass kicked by everyone, hes just a fan favorite

[Reavant]

if we're going on rankings.... by pure power, ermac might be top five in the fact he is the collection of hundreds of different warriors... he has no storylined fights tho

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant there was no end to deception.... it went strait to armageddon at east shujinko never got anywhere near onaga in the fact that noone still knew who shujinko was in armageddon.

OK - you might have a point.

However, here is what it says on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Kombat

"The Dragon King then proceeded to continue where he left off, seeking to control Outworld as well as all of the other realms. It is suggested that he is being manipulated by a power that even he doesn't understand, namely The One Being. Scorpion, the Elder God's champion, and Shujinko, the one who gathered the Kamidogu for Onaga, raced to confront the Dragon King. It's not known yet which one defeated Onaga, although it was hinted at the Fight Night interview with the MK Team in 2006 that Shujinko is the one who managed to defeat the former Outworld Emperor, yet Scorpion mentions during Armageddon's Konquest mode that despite performing a task for the Elder Gods (presumably eliminating Onaga, as no other tasks from the Elder Gods were ever mentioned), their end of the deal was not fulfilled.

So by the looks of it, either Shujinko or Scorpion was the one that defeated Onaga.

[Reavant]

the biggest problem with ranking players based on fights in mk is that many dont fight eachother ever.... an example would be sonja only really went against kano and his clan while lui kang only ever faught the bosses

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant i wasnt ranking them.... i was saying charaters to be in the game. reptile isnt a combo of anyone... in fact hes one of the weaker ninjas who got his ass kicked by everyone, hes just a fan favorite

In the original Mortal Kombat game (MK1), Reptile was supposed to be a combination of Sub Zero and Scorpion.

Over time however, I think the writers HAVE strayed away from this (i.e. giving Sub Zero and Scorpion more relevance, while taking away the relevance of Reptile).

I was also unaware of story behind Ermac. Where did you learn of this?

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant the biggest problem with ranking players based on fights in mk is that many dont fight eachother ever.... an example would be sonja only really went against kano and his clan while lui kang only ever faught the bosses

True. Again however, I was also combining what happened in the movies, with what happened in the video games.

For example - In the original MK movie (when Shang Tsung captured Sonya and took her back to Atworld to finish the tournament), Johnny Cage asked Raiden if Sonya could defeat Shang Tsung (to which Raiden replied, "no"). In Atworld, Shang Tsung challenged Johnny Cage (which implied that Shang Tsung was confident in his ability to defeat Cage), until Lui Kang intervened.

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Heyman OK - you might have a point. However, here is what it says on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Kombat So by the looks of it, either Shujinko or Scorpion was the one that defeated Onaga.

if there was a winner in Deception then Id say its scorpion then because
I too remember him saying that. I say that because its in the game and nothing about shujinko is other than the fact that you find him in prison later in the story. and i know he says he there on purpose but who knows how long he was there.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant if there was a winner in Deception then Id say its scorpion then because I too remember him saying that. I say that because its in the game and nothing about shujinko is other than the fact that you find him in prison later in the story. and i know he says he there on purpose but who knows how long he was there.

That's a good point.

To add to that, I think the creators of MK were a little disappointed with how "Shujinko-mania" never really took off. The creators basically wanted Shujinko to replace Lui Kang as the modern day hero, but I think they've retracted their stance since that time (Taven seems to be the guy now).

Given the fact that the creators of MK already love the Scorpion character, they might give the "defeating of Onaga" accolade to Scorpion instead.

The thing however, is that the MAJOR accomplishments usually still belong to the "top" good guys (i.e. defeating Blaze, winning the MK tourney, defeating Onaga, etc.). Scorpion isn't your prototypical "good guy", which is why I'm not sure if the creators of MK will give that "defeating of Onaga" distinction to him.

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Heyman In the original Mortal Kombat game (MK1), Reptile was supposed to be a combination of Sub Zero and Scorpion. Over time however, I think the writers HAVE strayed away from this (i.e. giving Sub Zero and Scorpion more relevance, while taking away the relevance of Reptile). I was also unaware of story behind Ermac. Where did you learn of this?

i cant remember one story lined fight that reptile has had that he has won going back to mk2.

The ermac thing is hinted to in UMK3 and trilogy and then again confirmed in deception, where he is one of the easiest characters to play with. He just has very vague story lines where he doesnt really ever fight anyone.

Originally Posted by Heyman True. Again however, I was also combining what happened in the movies, with what happened in the video games. For example - In the original MK movie (when Shang Tsung captured Sonya and took her back to Atworld to finish the tournament), Johnny Cage asked Raiden if Sonya could defeat Shang Tsung (to which Raiden replied, "no"). In Atworld, Shang Tsung challenged Johnny Cage (which implied that Shang Tsung was confident in his ability to defeat Cage), until Lui Kang intervened.

ok thats fine but the movie has nothing to do with the game and the creators say the same.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant i ok thats fine but the movie has nothing to do with the game and the creators say the same.

OK - I didn't realize that the creators actually went on record stating that.

MY BAD!

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Heyman That's a good point. To add to that, I think the creators of MK were a little disappointed with how "Shujinko-mania" never really took off. The creators basically wanted Shujinko to replace Lui Kang as the modern day hero, but I think they've retracted their stance since that time (Taven seems to be the guy now). Given the fact that the creators of MK already love the Scorpion character, they might give the "defeating of Onaga" accolade to Scorpion instead. The thing however, is that the MAJOR accomplishments usually still belong to the "top" good guys (i.e. defeating Blaze, winning the MK tourney, defeating Onaga, etc.). Scorpion isn't your prototypical "good guy", which is why I'm not sure if the creators of MK will give that "defeating of Onaga" distinction to him.

well dont go too fast... who is to say for sure that taven did defeat blaze? I mean no one would have said that before MK Deception that Shang Tsung and Quan Chi won the conflict of Deadly Alliance.

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Heyman OK - I didn't realize that the creators actually went on record stating that. MY BAD!

well not to rub it in but look at every other video game made into a movie... like doom... the monsters werent even demons and they didnt throw fire balls. the story lines for the movies need to be simplified.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Reavant well dont go too fast... who is to say for sure that taven did defeat blaze? I mean no one would have said that before MK Deception that Shang Tsung and Quan Chi won the conflict of Deadly Alliance.

On Wikipedia, it clearly states that Taven defeated Blaze (and hence, fulfilling the propehcy). However - instead of all of the warrior's powers being nullified, it had an adverse effect. All of the warrior's became stronger!

[Mister Sinister]

But that's on Wikipedia...I mean it seems like the most logical answer, but until the next canon game in the story arc is made, i doubt we will ever truely have the answer.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Alright, so i don't want to read all of the canon posted - what's the final listed result of the discussion in terms of which MK characters are the best?

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Helmsphere But that's on Wikipedia...I mean it seems like the most logical answer, but until the next canon game in the story arc is made, i doubt we will ever truely have the answer.

THANK YOU

Originally Posted by HeartBreakKid2k Alright, so i don't want to read all of the canon posted - what's the final listed result of the discussion in terms of which MK characters are the best?

Based on story line outcomes (no particular order):
Lui Kang
sub zero
scorpion
shang tsung
shao kahn
goro
kitana
kung lao
raiden
taven
shujinko
quan chi
shinnok


based on the power potential of the characters that dont have a big story line:

noob saibot
ermac
rain
mintaro
smoke
sindel

[Indifferent Clox]

noob saibot is just early sub zero right?