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Old 05-12-2008, 05:12 AM   #1
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The whole "He's agile for a big guy" is bullshit, anyway. I'd especially think that smarks would know better, since in theory they've seen something other than WWE, where big guys and fat guys are almost always lumbering and slow. It's an artificial distinction made up to "balance" things out.
Shadow, is that you? Are you saying that every fat guy can do what Joe does, and that the entire industry plays along with it?

Of course a large man Samoa Joe's side can do what Joe does. Fuck, Joe does it. He's a human being. Anyone could technically put on a match with perfect psychology, too. People have limits, though. Joe has worked his ass off to craft a style that takes a lot out of people.

KOoS' post about the WWE only signing CM Punk on recommendation: Didn't Joe turn down a WWE contract?

JamesSteele's point about the name: I know what the name means, I just think it is really forced and awkward for a pun. It's your right to not like him, but Joe's promos work. They're not overly flashy, but they aren't that forced. Especially when held up against Randy Orton's, or even John Cena's. Joe's not a natural on the mic, he's a wrestler first, talker second, but he's nowhere near bad.
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Old 05-12-2008, 11:22 AM   #2
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Shadow, is that you? Are you saying that every fat guy can do what Joe does, and that the entire industry plays along with it?

Are you trying to put words in my mouth so that you can make another diatribe based on a lie?

Man oh man...I mean, for all your snipes at me being a journliast, it'd be nice if you actually had your facts straight before calling my kettle black. That would be rather difficult though.

I've explained myself to you before, Noid. On this very issue of "Big Men." That you continue to assert things contrary to what I've stated on the matter really does lead me to believe you're lying, intentionally, to make up an argument. Like the CM Punk deal, like your faux complaints to attack my journalism, like your entire "gimmick" which boils down to "I'm too stupid to understand you, so I'll make up an argument I can easily defeat with my half-assed reasoning."

You're like Fox news: Yelling at the real journalists and spinning bullshit all the while.
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Old 05-12-2008, 11:32 PM   #3
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JamesSteele's point about the name: I know what the name means, I just think it is really forced and awkward for a pun. It's your right to not like him, but Joe's promos work. They're not overly flashy, but they aren't that forced. Especially when held up against Randy Orton's, or even John Cena's. Joe's not a natural on the mic, he's a wrestler first, talker second, but he's nowhere near bad.
His promo's aren't flashy because he talks like he is on a fucking episode of Law & Order. Fact is, Joe isn't that great of a worker. Goldberg looked like a hell of a worker because he was stiff, didn't have to sell much, and had people thinking he was killing people. The fact is that Joe got almost as good of a push as Goldberg got in WCW and Joe has flopped as champion when TNA had bigger names than Jeff Jarrett. Joe is an indy darling because he helped put ROH on the map, but that hardly makes him one of the best in the world. CM Punk got a good gig in WWE and is doing something with it (outpopping Jesus and everything). Joe has gotten the ubderpush of being the face of a promotion and he hasn't done anything with it. JOE IS GONNA KILL YOU...if you take his burger. JOE IS GONNA KILL YOU...if you put the future of your promotion on his back. JOE IS GONNA KILL YOU...because he just can't be the guy everybody thinks he is.
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