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Old 05-30-2008, 12:13 AM   #1
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Should they still call it ECW...
I was thinkin about this shortly after they released Balls Mahoney and when Chavo and Kane started to feud for the "ECW" championship. My question is do you think that they can still call the show and the championship ECW when the only real ECW people that are left are Little Guiedo and Tommy Dreamer. When ECW cam back to Scifi with Balls, Tajiri, RVD, Sabu, Sandman and with memorable teams like the FBI and Danny Dorring and Roadkill. The first couple of episodes even had ever match under "Extreme Rules" it was kinda impressive. Now we have Kane and Chavo as champs, the Miz and Morrison wrestling weekly besides Dreamer and the name "ECW Champion" it isnt ECW. Dose anyone out there feel that they should keep the name or should we just move Val Venis and Snitsky to Tuesday nights and rename the title the Heat World Championship
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:23 AM   #2
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You do realise that besides the name it doesn't really have anything to do with the original ECW. Hell, they don't even call it Extreme Championship Wrestling anymore, it's just ECW. If it makes you feel better though just pretend ECW is like RAW and doesn't stand for anything.
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"Can" they? Sure. WWE owns the rights to it. They could rename WWE ECW and they'd be completely able to do that.

Should they? Why not? If ECW stayed afloat do you honestly think that the majority of the old roster would have been there 10, 20 years later? Would you not call it ECW then, with only two or three active "originals"?

It's an easy brand to use and it's recognizable to wrestling fans. I don't see why they shouldn't.

In fact, I wish they'd just rename SmackDown! WCW and get it over with...
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You do realise that besides the name it doesn't really have anything to do with the original ECW. Hell, they don't even call it Extreme Championship Wrestling anymore, it's just ECW. If it makes you feel better though just pretend ECW is like RAW and doesn't stand for anything.
Really Awesome Wrestling!

That's what it would have stood for if RAW was around in the mid-80s.
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I dont know I saw a post for "X pac heat" and I thought we were redoing already posted stuff
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Its going to start the argument that the new ECW, is not the old ECW.

There will be pages of agreeing with each other, and saying how fucking stupid the WWE is, with a post here and there about black cocks and Val Venis as the world champ.
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It's a development territory on television.
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It's a dumb fucking question, is what it is.
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Old 05-30-2008, 05:37 PM   #17
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Lol. No it shouldn't if you're talking about respect, or some sort of service to the fact that a name should signify what you're going to see out of the product. But it will keep on going. No suprise.
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Well, of the RAW originals, only Shawn Michaels is still around. Can we still call it RAW? I mean, no more Damien Demento, no more Max Moon, Yokozuna, Koko B. Ware, the Steiner Brothers, Razor Ramon. Hell, even the Undertaker's on another brand!

Does anyone out there feel that they should keep the name or should we just rename it WWE Wrestling Is Different Than It Used To Be?
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Can we still call American Gladiators as such? I mean, who from the original is still around?

And what about Survivor? Should they just start calling them, instead of "Survivor: Zimbabwe", "Zimbabwe"?

Really, there's only one argument to be made and it's that it's not REALLY ECW in the sense that it's not Paul Heyman's/Todd Gordon's vision, and it's a poor argument because WWE owns the name.

And anyone who owns the name would have resurrected it by now ANYWAY, I'm sure. And I'd bet very few of the original talents would be in it. At best, it would have a bunch of ROH/TNA guys.

Overall, I think the booking and the style should be thought of before the talents. Talents come and go, booking styles stays the same and/or evolves if it's successful.
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And it's not Extreme. It's barely even Championship calibur wrestling. I know that absolutely no one is true to their name when feds are judged, but it is what it is.
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And it's not Extreme. It's barely even Championship calibur wrestling. I know that absolutely no one is true to their name when feds are judged, but it is what it is.
Yeah, I mean, World Wrestling Entertainment?

And don't get me started on TNA... Though I wouldn't be surprised if Double J went into the P-o-r-letter-after-m business if/when TNA goes down.
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Like, that's part of the dual point I was trying to make. There's being true to the legacy and there's being true in the sense that you're making sense with adjectives. This ECW does neither. It's not the old ECW in the least and it's not Extreme, or considered championship wrestling.
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Yeah. Basically. It doesn't matter, it's a name and at this point names don't mean anything if you can pass it off. The principle is still present, if worthless.
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Well, of the RAW originals, only Shawn Michaels is still around. Can we still call it RAW?
Actually, I'm a big fan of Monday Night S.H.I.T., myself.


But one questions the point of having the "Extreme Championship Wrestling" Monicker for a show that no longer even features things like Extreme Rules, the wrestler that were the point, and so on. I mean, that's kinda dumb even in a fake sport with fake titles. It's not really a boon for marketing, since ECW was more of a cult following and they don't want those mutants anywhere near the NEW ECW. So it's not for marketing, it's not for tradition, that leaves....

Anyway, when Raw changes ownership and undergoes a radical overhaul by someone who had no hand in the original, get back to me.
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I read last year that WWE producer Kevin Dunn wanted to change the ECW name to something like WWE Extreme but it was shot down.
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Actually, I'm a big fan of Monday Night S.H.I.T., myself.


But one questions the point of having the "Extreme Championship Wrestling" Monicker for a show that no longer even features things like Extreme Rules, the wrestler that were the point, and so on. I mean, that's kinda dumb even in a fake sport with fake titles. It's not really a boon for marketing, since ECW was more of a cult following and they don't want those mutants anywhere near the NEW ECW. So it's not for marketing, it's not for tradition, that leaves....

Anyway, when Raw changes ownership and undergoes a radical overhaul by someone who had no hand in the original, get back to me.
The trick, there, is that it's NOT called "Extreme Championship Wrestling". Kind of like "KFC" no longer being "Kentucky Fried Chicken -- or moreover, more like the SAT -- an acronym that literally no longer hoilds meaning.

And no, it has nothing to do with tradition at all, but marketing? It's a fairly recognizable name, chief. If you don't think using a familiar name over one hot off the presses, then you're plain silly.
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Who are they marketing to? Old ECW fans, who hate this incarnation? Or marks who never watched ECW?
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The marks who never watched it. They know it was this whole thing with extreme matches and a lot of older talent traveled through it but that's it, but that's enough. The name has history. WWE can and do (in some ways) link that history to the current brand.

Honestly, it may not do much for marketing, but it's a recognizable name, especially from during the 97 invasion and the 01 invasion.

It's the history that sells to the newer fan. To the older fan it's just a shit on the old ECW. But again, the name doesn't matter.
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Ironically the only big fed to change their name was WWE/F.

Then Raw is War became just Raw. Because we went to war how dumb is that.
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How is it dumb? Vince loves the military, and doesn't want to belittle their efforts by referring to fake combat as if it were real combat.
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So, the claim is that ECW is recognizable enough. Does anyone think that's a smart strategy?
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Old 06-01-2008, 11:08 AM   #34
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The war has had a lot to do with name changes in the WWE. They scrapped the name 'Fully Loaded' as the July PPV, and there was no Armageddon in December 2001 because of 9/11. It changed to Vengeance that year, which then became the July PPV the year after. Quite a contrast.
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