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Old 06-17-2008, 08:31 PM   #1
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An Age Without Orton
It has been a couple of weeks since Randy Orton suffered his shoulder injury. What has Raw been like since the loss of The Legend Killer and what steps should they take to fill that gap?
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:34 PM   #2
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Well, I got a pissbreak at the beginning of the show.

Cena/HHH = BORING!
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:41 PM   #3
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Well, I got a pissbreak at the beginning of the show.

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Old 06-17-2008, 10:00 PM   #4
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I think a revival of the juniors devision would do nicely.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:59 PM   #5
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I've honestly not been bothered by Randy Orton's absence.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:06 PM   #6
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I've honestly not been bothered by Randy Orton's absence.
I will gladly tell you that I have enjoyed not having to suffer through RKObot
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:16 PM   #7
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His "Angry Orton" character just doesn't feel natural. The man is still really mechanic in his delivery, too.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:28 PM   #8
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I can't buy a prettyboy bitch as a psychotic badass.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:29 PM   #9
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That's exactly it. Orton needs to go back to his more Evolution-based character. More bag-shitting antics.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:39 PM   #10
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Orton's gimmick is almost identical to Triple H's in 1999-2001, but he doesn't have the charisma or talent to pull it off.
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Old 06-18-2008, 08:22 AM   #11
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Until you reminded me I had forgotten about him and hadn't noticed.
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I can't buy a prettyboy bitch as a psychotic badass.
Or Randy Orton acting tough.
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:20 PM   #13
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In a unrelated twist, I've not watched Raw since he got injured.
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It has been a couple of weeks since Randy Orton suffered his shoulder injury. What has Raw been like since the loss of The Legend Killer and what steps should they take to fill that gap?
Ther is only one man who can fill his shoes... in facts he's more than just a man
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...He's a man...with nerve damage. lol
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:31 PM   #16
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Orton's gimmick is almost identical to Triple H's in 1999-2001, but he doesn't have the charisma or talent to pull it off.
I don't think Orton's gimmick is at fault. One problem with Orton however, is that they're making him look a league below Cena/HHH. During the Wrestlemania, he was clearly made to look inferior (i.e. before Mania, HHH and Cena were almost ignoring Orton and focusing on one another). Orton's Mania victory was made to look like a fluke.

On top of that - Orton has always had to cheat DRASTICALLY in order to beat HHH and Cena (while doing very clean jobs).

Between 99-01, Triple H scored almost clean victories over Foley, The Rock, Austin, Kane, Big Show, and anyone else that was worth a lick.

Big difference in booking.
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:43 PM   #18
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I think the fact that Orton sucks has a lot to do with him failing too.
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:49 PM   #19
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I don't think Orton's gimmick is at fault. One problem with Orton however, is that they're making him look a league below Cena/HHH. During the Wrestlemania, he was clearly made to look inferior (i.e. before Mania, HHH and Cena were almost ignoring Orton and focusing on one another). Orton's Mania victory was made to look like a fluke.

On top of that - Orton has always had to cheat DRASTICALLY in order to beat HHH and Cena (while doing very clean jobs).

Between 99-01, Triple H scored almost clean victories over Foley, The Rock, Austin, Kane, Big Show, and anyone else that was worth a lick.

Big difference in booking.
Beyond that, wrestlers made Trips look good. Most of Orton's major victories have done nothing to make him look like anything more than a second-rate threat. We're not even talking about wins and losses, now.
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Orton's absence hasn't really effected my perception of raw much, its still lacking in most areas tbh.
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Beyond that, wrestlers made Trips look good. Most of Orton's major victories have done nothing to make him look like anything more than a second-rate threat. We're not even talking about wins and losses, now.
There are really only two victories that have made Orton look like a threat in my eyes... Beating Benoit for the World Heavyweight Championship and beating Foley at Backlash. You could probably throw RVD in there too when he won the IC Title, but to relate back to what was said earlier, his Evolution gimmick was it, the psychotic badass really doesn't work.
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Orton's absence hasn't really effected my perception of raw much, its still lacking in most areas tbh.
Personally, I've noticed quite a drop in my "Oh, shit, here we go again" sensation while watching Raw. It's still there, of course, but not nearly as bad.
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Chris Benoit and Mick Foley both made Orton look like a star. Foley really started the upwards main event momentum for Randy Orton (in a big way, at least). Chris Benoit got a great match out of Orton before dropping the World Heavyweight Title to him, and the fucking Toronto crowd was cheering for Orton. Then he got bitched out by Triple H.
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Orton really should have taken over Evolution, and Triple H should have chased the title as a face to prove he can still do it, or Orton should have handed the belt over to Triple H when asked, and continued his feud with Chris Benoit, who would have been upset Orton would just throw away the World Title like that. Orton goes on to win the Royal Rumble, and when Triple H assumes Orton is going to SmackDown! to divide and conquer with Evolution, Orton gives Triple H an RKO, and signs the contract for a World Heavyweight Title match at WrestleMania 21.
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Orton really should have taken over Evolution, and Triple H should have chased the title as a face to prove he can still do it, or Orton should have handed the belt over to Triple H when asked, and continued his feud with Chris Benoit, who would have been upset Orton would just throw away the World Title like that. Orton goes on to win the Royal Rumble, and when Triple H assumes Orton is going to SmackDown! to divide and conquer with Evolution, Orton gives Triple H an RKO, and signs the contract for a World Heavyweight Title match at WrestleMania 21.
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Personally, I've noticed quite a drop in my "Oh, shit, here we go again" sensation while watching Raw. It's still there, of course, but not nearly as bad.
ya i suppose thats true, although i still get that feeling everytime i see HHH and Cena
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ya i suppose thats true, although i still get that feeling everytime i see HHH and Cena
That's completely understandable. Like I said, I still feel it, but at least when those two talk, it's not the same script verbatum every week. "You see, full name of my opponent, I'm the greatest there is! I was on top for six months, in a very vague way, and don't forget, I beat Triple H to start my reign!" Blah, blah, blah.

Also, I have no reason to judge Cena or H as bad people, which runs in stark contrast to the stories of Randy "Shitbag" Orton.
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Randy Orton should be drafted to SmackDown! next week as a way of reminding people he exists, and getting marks to tune into the show, because they are the only people who think Orton is worth something.
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Randy Orton should be drafted to SmackDown! next week as a way of reminding people he exists, and getting marks to tune into the show, because they are the only people who think Orton is worth something.
I wouldn't mind seeing Orton go to Smackdown. With Cena and HHH dominating the top spots on RAW (or atleast destined to dominate), I think Smackdown will give Orton more opportunities. My problem with Orton being on RAW, is the fact that he's been made to look FAR inferior to both Cena and HHH (i.e. only getting fluke victories, or getting beaten very cleanly).

In fact - I'd like to see a lot upper mid-card wrestlers move to Smackdown....wrestlers that have 'stagnant' characters/statuses, but are still worthy enough to be champ. JBL, Chris Jericho, and Umaga are a few that come to mind.

On RAW - I'd like to see get stacked with a lot of the promising talents....and people that have a serious chance of "moving up the ladder" within a relatively short time frame. These guys include Jeff Hardy, Ken Kennedy, Santino Marello (my current favorite wrestler), MVP, CM Punk, Shelton Benjamin, etc.

The other day - I stated that D'Lo Brown should go to Smackdown. I take that back - I would much rather see him on RAW.
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Old 06-19-2008, 09:57 PM   #31
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I don't mind it, Jericho is the main heel now
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I think I should have had a different title for this thread such as, BASH ORTON Thread.
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I think I should have had a different title for this thread such as, BASH ORTON Thread.
Too unspecific. Any thread that involves Orton is a "Bash Orton" thread.
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Too unspecific. Any thread that involves Orton is a "Bash Orton" thread.
Tis soooooo true.
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I think it is because he fucking sucks.
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I think it is because he fucking sucks.
Wow, one thing to say he sucks, but you took it to the next level...You used the wording fucking.
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It is called adding emphasis.
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It is called adding emphasis.
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